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This post has been edited by darksider: Nov 24 2023, 08:15 PM

On 27 August 2014,

User Lornawhizz commited two violations of forum rules and regulations:

1) One topic per item. The creation of multiple topics for similar items will result in deletion of all the topics and a warning/suspension.

1st Topic created on 20 August 2014
Topic Title: ORIGIN Digital Store Buying service @RM1.88!
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3325847

2nd Topic created on 27 August 2014
Topic Title: Buy FIFA 15 or any Origin game @ cheapest price!
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3361276

2) Do not troll or flame. Do not intentionally post inflammatory message.

On both of the topics above
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3361276
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3325847

He called many of the forumers including me swindlers.

From Dictionary.com


Also, user Lornawhizz is also suspected of violating the Registration rule of

3) Each user is entitled to ONE user account on the forums.

Evidence:

On 17 May 2014, a new user has been created and named 'gambalagen'.

Topic Title: [WTS]Origin SALE 70% Off! Titanfall, BF4, etc, Learn 2 buy thru Mexican Proxy/VPN 4Free (PC)
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=3227410&hl

One day after on 18 May 2014, user lornawhizz replied first time in the topic, as if he is the TS himself.



If you compare 'gambalagen' and 'lornawhizz', it is not difficult to find that that they share similarities as follows:

The use of [attachmentid=4150433] as its post icon and the use of ' ' , and ' ', and ' ',

In particular, post #1, #6, #7, #11, #13, #21, #24, #27, #28, #30, #32 shared by both 'gambalagen' and 'lornawhizz' with similar writing style, vocabulary and use of emoticons and icons.

On 6 June 2014, 'gambalagen' opened a topic entitled " [WTS]ELDER SCROLLS V: SKYRIM LEGENDARY ED. @RM50! (PC) "
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=3248986&hl=

Again, we see the consistent use of [attachmentid=4150433], in the post, with similar format as well as writing style.

'gambalagen' never logged in again after 10th June 2014 - 10:29 AM, due to lacklustre of response in both of his shops.

Let us compare it to 'lornawhizz', some evidence has been removed his origin topics have been removed due to violation of one topic per item rule.

However, we still can look at all his unremoved topics.

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Sear...ult_type=topics


On his main store,

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=3210893&hl=

The use of [attachmentid=4150433], and are consistent.

On his psn store,
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=3356312&hl=

Similarly, the use of icon in post and emoticons are consistent.

On his skyrim legendary edition store,

Similarly, the use of icon in post and emoticons are consistent.

Hence, I am requesting the moderator to do an official check on the forum users below
'gambalagen' and 'lornawhizz' to see if they are indeed the same person.

From the time you started to label me swindler, I have already decided not to have any form of communication with you.

All my customers have left good feedback and they are happy to be doing business with me for all the services that I provide. How is that becoming a swindler? If I am a swindler, my name would be all around in Dispute thread.

And stop talking about being n reseller or whatever, I am not a reseller in the case of origin, I provide service to buy games via customer accounts and it does not violate the term of use in Origin, I have pointed evidence with backing of Origin Support.



for all the see, this is the message that lornawhizz sent to me yesterday, proposing a truce or become enemy forever



His attitude has made me refrain from having any form of communication with him, hence, I redirected to lex about this truce and my original message to lex



lex did not bother to reply to this particular message.

This post has been edited by darksider: Sep 28 2014, 03:45 PM

As stated in my previous post, I reported you when you have violated two of the rules and regulations in Lowyat.net, it is not without reasons.

Whatever you may claim or say, you have violated the rule of one topic per item, as well as, trolling and flaming offense where you publicly call other traders in Lowyat swindlers.

For all the customers that have purchased from me, they are all informed to read disclaimer

Specifically, for all forumers and moderators to see, my disclaimer is as below



This post has been edited by darksider: Sep 28 2014, 09:10 AM

Whatever your claims may be, I leave it all up to moderators to check. I will refuse to further comment on this particular evidence.

I cannot stop you from posting all emoticons and spam my thread which is never directed at you in the first place.

You can continue to post defamatory messages on this post to show your follies. This is a public forum anyway, and free for anyone to see.

Thanks for the feedback.

I will edit the main post to redirect it to user lornawhizz now, and will be sending my complaint against lex in the proper channel.

I do not resort to name-callings and personal attack in fact. I have dealt with all with courteous and never do I need to resort to any of that as a long time forum member here.

The dispute thread is not about the fighting between me and him. I do not fight with him. I only service my customers and took care of my own shops.

The problem now is, all my shops are removed without breaking any violations in forum.

The cited violations by moderator lex are uncalled for, as I do not sell any accounts, in-game items or power leveling service as stated clearly in the rules.

For all forumers

Please refer to the thread on skyrim legendary

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=3349531&hl=

I am only creating an awareness among all forum members who may be purchasing the potential exploited copies of ROW that had been selling by russian traders in Steam Gift Forum rampantly for 3 TF2 Keys, and Steam in the past has taken action against copies bought this way through store exploit.

I do not target any particular buyers, just to inform forumer here that rethink about buying Skyrim Legendary edition region free copy that are sold below RM37 (which was the lowest price of region free copy sold in Brazillian store). The cheap one in russian steam store were 203 ruble (RM19) after conversion, and they are region locked on both play and activation.

Upon investigating, I found that most of the russian dealers were selling region free copy at about price of RM20-RM25, which were not possible for region free copy(As the cheapest one in record is rm37 from brazillian). I have searched around the net and realize the existence of such exploit, however it wasn't taught anywhere. As it was a javascript glitch and manipulation, I have managed to reproduce it as I am proficient with javascript.

I have even reproduced this and reported to steam about such exploit which they said they couldn't resolve and advice me not to redeem it as it may get revoked when they are clearing the payments to publishers.

In the particular thread, I was requesting lornawhizz to produce any proof of his purchase after his reply on the thread, however,

in his first post, he said he used his steam wallet that he accumulated long to buy.
in second post, he said about he got his games from amazon gifts card, and showed me example, he would buy a game with usd 50 gift card and sold it for rm50, as long as he pleases.
in his third post, he said about he wont tell me how he got the game et cetera.

I locked the thread so that he cannot edit out all the things he have said, as you can check in his profile, he edited a lot of his posts to '...' so people cannot find out what he has said and done should anything happen.

I hope this clears up.

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About the false warranty that someone claims:

In all my dealings, I have refunded in full without question a total of 4 in full amount to my customers as things did not work as expected, and they are shocked that I actually refunded in full, given the time I spent in assisting them, and helping them sort out the issues.

You may check my trade list that was still kept by me. For tradelist after number 61, I did not include forumer names as it was consuming too much resources for me to write all down, so I kept it simpler without citing names again.

In particular, these entries
6. Sold Plant Vs Zombie Garden Warfare Deluxe to Moonflown - REFUNDED AS THERE WERE IN-GAME ISSUES

38. Sold Black Ops 2 RU for agandul - REFUNDED FULL AS IT DID NOT WORK FOR MULTIPLAYER (1-2 MIN DC) BUT WORKED FOR ZOMBIE - GOT RM10 RETURN FROM HIM AS A TOKEN OF APPRECIATION

175) Sims 4 Standard - Refunded 90% (she agreed) as user did not like the game after playing it

195) Stronghold Crusader 2 - Was about to refund full without question to @riderz135 in full but eventually worked out the solution and no refund is needed



Successful TradeList[U]



This post has been edited by darksider: Sep 28 2014, 11:44 AM

I will speak for the last time. I am in no way trying desperately or non-desperately to convince people you are the bad guy.

You have reported all my shops citing wrong violations and caused them all to be removed.

You clearly violated the rules and regulations here when I reported your shop to moderator, as you created two topics selling the same service and bumped them on 27/9/2014.

This is against the trade forum rules and regulations (one topic per game rule).


You have also been suspected of creating multiple account called 'gambalagen' which are still needing verification from moderator to check using the logging of ip and all the system of tracing they implemented in this forum.

If you are indeed violating the rules, there are no way you can escape the judgement.

If I am violating any rules, I won't be escaping. However, I did not and so I voiced out all here for all to see, without need to hide anything.



I am completely exhausted mentally dealing with this issue and I will rest my case here.

If moderators have read it here I completely appreciate and are grateful. Should you feel that I don't deserve the punishment and harassment, I would greatly appreciate that all the wrong opinions, judgement and decisions are amended rightfully.

I won't ask for more from Lowyat moderators, as I believe most of you have own stuffs to deal with and some volunteer to help improve the community and I am truly grateful for that.

Thanks for reading. I will take a break now.

I have insomnia since yesterday and I lost appetite and motivation to do anythings. I need to get back strong and live my normal life.

If in the end I still couldn't get anything that I deserve back, I cannot do much, except that it is a great lesson for me that I learned the hard way.

Again, say all you wish to say, edit out all you wish to edit.

People with conscience will have a very clear understanding of what actually happens.

I am going to leave this until moderators are giving a proper response.

I am also awaiting investigation of lornawhizz and gambalagen accounts which are suspected to be multiple accounts created under the same individual.

Until then

The disclaimer is solely my responsibility, and it is targeting only to my customers who decide to purchase from me. As you are not my customer, you are not entitled to question it.

I do not publicly post FAQ in any section other than the my own shop, for my shop visitors to see.

The following is under FAQ in my origin shop

1. Why could HOLA Unblocker be unsafe?[/b]

To the offender of Lowyat.net forum here, you may speak more, but it doesn't remove the fact that

You have violated the forum rules as below:

- One topic per item. The creation of multiple topics for similar items will result in deletion of all the topics and a warning/suspension.

- Board rules apply. All other Lowyat.NET Rules & Regulations apply to Trade Zone as well.
* Do not troll or flame. Do not intentionally post inflammatory message.

* Do not spam, post unconstructively or open multiple threads with similar messages.

And also, you are being suspicious of violating the follow board rules, and it is awaiting investigation from relevant admins.

- Each user is entitled to ONE user account on the forums. We employ various tools which are effective in accurately detecting duplicate accounts. Registering additional accounts will result in temporary suspension to your main account and a permanent ban on your second (and subsequent) accounts.

[ For this particular evidence of multiple accounts that I have collected so far, refer to post #3 in this dispute thread ]


This post has been edited by darksider: Sep 28 2014, 03:23 PM

All you mentioned here are violations of Steam Shops in Lowyat Forum. However, I am not selling Steam Gifts in STEAM CLIENT, and Steam TOS is not under Lowyat.net jurisdiction, please be clear of that.

If you still insist to remove my Steam Shops, then I have nothing more to say. You can remove all the Steam Shops in Lowyat in this case, I believe, as a Steam user, I should report to proper channel that Lowyat.net is allowing hundred thousand of sales of Steam Gifts which violates Steam ToS since 2008, all in Garage Sales sections.

Although Lowyat.net in its disclaimer claims no responsibility in enforcing any of it, you are now still abusing your authority and removed my Steam shops when it is not within Lowyat.net jurisdiction as Lowyat.net relinquishes the responsibility. Speaking of double standard?



Putting all my Steam Shops aside, if you insist to remove then I have nothing much to say, as you are the most powerful person here.

However, all your claims above are not directing to my Origin Shop and Blizzard Shop, which are in no way violating any of their ToS. I have already refuted your claims with valid evidence, and hence I demand a restore of both of the shops and a proper apology.

First of all, I sincerely thank all of the fellow members, who may or may not have dealt with me in Garage Sales, that decided to help me voice out. I am also extremely grateful that you risk yourself being warned in this forum for pointing out what your common sense dictates having seen a clear picture in this saga.

Also, there are many forum members here who could not care less to find out what really happened before they flamed me and associated me with the forum member who actually committed offense.For some of them, especially Mr Cheesenium, has offended and accused me in a forum topic entitled "The Crew" in gaming subforum. I did report him due to his misconduct, but there was no action taken which of course make sense now to me.

As many of you may have seen in this fiasco, the staff moderator acted in such biased ways and his decisions to show me red card and insisted that I committed violence that did not make sense to me, and citing me all the things that defied my common sense have flabbergasted me. This is my first time dealing with moderator of this forum since 2006 and it gives me a small perspective on the quality of staffs in Lowyat.net.

In fact, I have introduced two forum members here to visit Lornawhizz Origin Shop to use his service because at that point of time I could not process any orders due to hectic schedules.

As Garage Sale is an open subforum, all members could easily compare prices and then decide who they will buy from based on their will.

In economics, the basic law of supply and demand dictates that if price decreases, quantity demanded increases and vice versa. Applying it the competitive markets in Garage Sales, if supplier A is selling at low price and supplier B is selling at high price, ceteris paribus (all else equal), A will have more demand than B.

However, in business, in order to edge out your competitor, you need to have competitive advantages. The competitive advantages could be your marketing skill, attitude, friendliness, and many more, which can potentially be any traits, skills or attributes. Hence, it is easy to figure out that supplier with considerable competitive advantages will easily outdo his competitors despite selling the same thing at higher price, as it gives more value to potential consumers who always wish to maximize their utility, given their limited resources.

So to label your competitors swindlers because they have better competitive advantage, and more consumers buying from him, is ludicrous and unlawful.

However, ever since the first civilizations, there have always been dysfunctional people who are out there to create troubles. Just look at us, everything is backwards and upside down. Even after 5000 years past first civilization, we still see so many abnormalities, injustices, corruptions, abuses, and all the wrong things that we see today.

Such disorders, from the sociology point of view, are inevitable in societies. We are all bound to be treated unfairly, bullied, prosecuted, accused, alleged, flamed and many more in some point of our life. Many people have experienced it and even many more are experiencing it and now it is my turn. I cannot control what other want to say or do, but I can control my actions. In this scenario, the most I can do is to voice out for myself, however fruitless, at least when I recall back in future, I know I have tried. The outcome is no longer important, as whatever it may be, the worst case scenario is always death which almost of us will go through at some point in future.

So, I guess that is it for me. I believe it is time that I wave goodbye for Lowyat.net having been using it since 2006 and have been continually benefited by contributions of fellow members in many different parts of my life which I am thankful for. However, this incident has caused me experience depressions, loss of appetite, exhaustion, and insomnia for the past 25 hours and to the point that it greatly impacts my integrity and daily life.

Hence, I believe this is the right time that I waved goodbye to Lowyat.net for which I will never visit again and for moderators, I wish not to be affiliated with Lowyat.net anymore and here I request the cancellation of my Lowyat forum account and that all the contents that I have contributed and posted to be deleted permanently.

This dispute thread is ended. Whatever decision that may be taken by relevant authority after this is no longer an interest to me, so at here I would close the dispute thread.

*To forum members who know me personally, you may contact me elsewhere should you wish to have contact with me as I won't be logging in ever, regardless of whether this account deletion request is executed.

This post has been edited by darksider: Sep 29 2014, 02:57 AM

To all the reader of this posts and all the steam shop owners who are innocent and have had your shops removed by lex,

Please scroll to the section in blue below if you want to retrieve your pages with all your customer feedback, Google cache has saved most in 25 September and hopefully include yours.

I do not need to explain much, if you have read what I said, I am not the bad guy as I have been labeled as.

I have deleted all my personal messages in my account including more than 15 PM's (more than 15 letters) all written with courteous and professionally to lex but 95% of them have been unattended and I only received lacklustre reply from him with all his ignorant claims.

Even when I reported lornawhizz, I listed all the violations he had had committed with details and said that should lornawhizz indeed violate the rule, his shops have to be closed in order to be fair to all the traders.

I only need to say once, I reported only lornawhizz who has indeed violated the trade forum rules and regulations and I have no qualms with any other of you, even after knowing some of you reported me to Steam for selling region-locked copies during end of September, I did nothing to retaliate but just revamped my shops. I don't troll or flame people to gain advantage or whatever, if anything, I still respect and do not rage even people have treated me very badly and offended me. I do not react much usually, unless someone has threatened my integrity, alleged and flamed me for doing things that I never did.

In the countless exchanges with lex, in which initially I thought he would be at least a good moderator as LYN is such reputed forum in Malaysia. However, I found that I was wrong when he finally replied me in PM. Having realized his obnoxious ignorance and his embrace of over-extending of power, I sensed his double standard and posted a few links asking him why many of the threads selling the Steam Gift are still there since 2008? I posted a few links to him (including redstreak, deltaboy5 and 2 others which I forgot) and asked him if selling of Steam Gift is selling of Steam Account, then why LYN still allowed many of the shops to operate as long as 3 years without taking actions? I neither report nor ask him to remove any of the shops that I linked to him that to question his double-standard antics.

However, in his subsequent reply, he said that he would take actions against all of the shops that are linked. Of course, when he removed it, it would directly means that I am causing all of the aforementioned shops to be removed, however, I never click the "report" function, nor do I request any investigation to be done on those links. If anything, the actions are solely decided and taken by him. I do not, in any possible way, request/imply/report to him to remove any of the shops.

I understand that you guys must have been feeling really bad having lost most of the shops without trace, just like what I had been feeling from 7pm two days ago to 10pm yesterday. I never want to sabotage any of you, nor do I have the need and intention to do that. As you may already know, lex has over-exercised his authority power as though as he is a legal law enforcer or representative of said external organizations.

Should he not amend all of his follies which I have little hope on, you can thank Google for helping most of you out. Many of the cache pages have been saved and you may retrieve here freely (it is without the control of Lowyat.net)

http://www.cachedpages.com/

Search it with this address

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/xxxxxxx, replace xxxxxxx with your topic numbers, which can retrieve it by visiting your removed shop. Google did save most of it on 25 September, it will be a complete one-page with all your customer feedbacks. Quickly save it before LYN takes any action like they are the legal enforcer of all entities.



Regarding moderator lex, as much as I really hate to say it, is nothing more than a smart alex who has been over-exercising his authority power for which he has been endorsed and delegated to by the admins of LYN. His embrace on persistent ignorance is definitely a let off and since he is a staff of LYN, reputation of LYN may not be as good for most forum members who have read what he said. So what is really wrong with our smart alex moderator?

Just head over and read LYN disclaimers on Trade Zone (https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=266390)

The first entry in main rules of trade zone is

Disclaimer: Lowyat.NET is not responsible for any transactions conducted here.

By putting such disclaimer, LYN will not be held liable and responsible for any disputes or losses that may occur in trades. So, if they are relinquishing responsibility, it means by LAW, they are not supposed to get involved in any of them, as they already claimed no responsibility. So, why would they do this? They create an open platform for traders to come in and attract millions of views each day, they earn revenue from ads and at the same time, takes no responsibility for anything happens there, so why not? The only cost is the bandwidth and storage cost which are little compared to the revenue generated from ads on the page views alone.

With this disclaimer, in fact when LYN pulled himself out, they have no longer have any right to amend any posts in the trade zones. They have no right to intercept or intervene any of the the topics in trade zone. Doing so would automatically make them held responsible for all the fraud, scam cases that happened in Garage Sales. Any Lawyers, or aspiring Lawyers or anyone with knowledge on Law would understand this.

The only time they can make amendments is when any of the users violated the following


Again, anyone with basic Law knowledge would know that the first entry which is their disclaimer to remove any responsibility on fraud/scam/disputes would automatically cancel all other jurisdictions which they claim. Because by enforcing any entries in the spoiler content above, they inherently violate their disclaimer that they are not responsible for any transactions.

Without their disclaimer, should any dispute occur, they are directly the accomplice to all the crimes resulted from transactions that were done on Trade forum.

I am actually very tired so I just keep things short.

lex insistence that Steam Gift = Steam account, and also his obsession with being self-proclaimed legal representative of Origin, Steam, Sony or all the companies that may involve is really laughable. His claims on various things which he is not proficient with and acting like he knows it after some Googling is laughable, citing ToS wrongly in the case of buying via others account on Origin (which is not against term of use in Origin as confirmed by Origin Support) is also stupid.

For many of you that are affected, I have slim hope that lex would amend his follies which are obvious for people to see, your hope should be on other moderators who are of better quality and common sense, and not as smart alex as he is.

I don't know how many have already lost their respect to lex, but I am sure I do.

Anyway, this is my last post. I reactivated the account in order to help other innocences who have been pulled down by lex altogether.

Thank you for your notification, and really great that most of the stores pulled into saga have been restored.

Despite the decision I am no longer able to operate my shops here, as many damages been done on my exchange with lex, it has dumbed me down so much that I feel stupid for trying to voice out with reasons and speak sanely.



Anyway, I have no business with any of the people who publicly labeled me swindler, idiot or all the name-callings for which I believe only people with low spirituality are capable of.

You may say all you like, I wish you luck and forgive you for your ignorance and until you have experienced severe depressions, allegations, you will never understand.

To those who still think that I am committing atrocities, trying to sabotage people, pulling down everyone or whatever, of course I cannot blame you for that, because I actually feel sorry for your inability to exercise critical thinking as a human, and your preference to indulge in sheepish thoughts.

This post has been edited by darksider: Sep 29 2014, 06:39 PM