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aimank_88
post Feb 27 2015, 07:05 PM

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Just a friendly reminder, its best to have a teacher(s)/guru/ustaz yang mursyid. Have more than one.
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post Feb 27 2015, 07:52 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Feb 27 2015, 06:28 PM)
Wiki Islam ? It's made to discredit Islam.  smile.gif Not the source of information regarding Islam. Just like that anweringislam.com/org or something.  biggrin.gif They put the real soruce but make their own interpretation of them.

I usually stay away from sites that interpretes. I rather make my own.
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owh. really? thanks. but at least it quote the info that i want you guys to know. so far i read many sites that share the Maulana Muhammad Ali theory but they didnt discuss it in detail. Just like the site you share muslim.org.

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post Feb 28 2015, 09:45 AM

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There are plenty of verses in the Quran that talks about marriage. However I would like to quote the following for us to ponder.

[Q2:235] And (there is) no blame upon you in what you hint [with it] of marriage proposal [to] the WOMEN (Al-Nisa) or you conceal it in yourselves....

All the verses about marriages, the Quran addresses to THE WOMEN (Al-Nisa) and not to a child.


[Q4:6] And test the orphans [in your charge] until they reach a marriageĀ­able age; then, if you find them to be mature of mind (Rushdan), hand over to them their possessions;

This is the only verse in the Quran that talks about marriageable age. However numbers are very subjective so the Quran attached a criteria for being in a marriageable age, i.e. RUSHDAN. In Arabic it is translated as the capacity to manage one's affairs or maturity of the mind.

Can a 5 years old kid perform the above task? I doubt Aishah was so special that she was able to do all those things described above.

So let us ponder.


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post Feb 28 2015, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(kimasapi @ Feb 28 2015, 09:45 AM)
There are plenty of verses in the Quran that talks about marriage. However I would like to quote the following for us to ponder.

[Q2:235] And (there is) no blame upon you in what you hint [with it] of marriage proposal [to] the WOMEN (Al-Nisa) or you conceal it in yourselves....

All the verses about marriages, the Quran addresses to THE WOMEN (Al-Nisa) and not to a child.
[Q4:6]  And test the orphans [in your charge] until they reach a marriageĀ­able age; then, if you find them to be mature of mind (Rushdan), hand over to them their possessions;

This is the only verse in the Quran that talks about marriageable age. However numbers are very subjective so the Quran attached a criteria for being in a marriageable age, i.e. RUSHDAN. In Arabic it is translated as the capacity to manage one's affairs or maturity of the mind.

Can a 5 years old kid perform the above task? I doubt Aishah was so special that she was able to do all those things described above.

So let us ponder.
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my opinion. remember, no one know the exact age of aisha. and prophet will not do anything against quran. so, whether she special or not she somehow fulfill the criteria.
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post Mar 1 2015, 02:45 AM

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Some of us forgot that the father had the rights to marry off his daughter. And that marriage does not equal sex but sex is only allowed by marriage. So even if Aishah is 5 years old and her father marries her to the prophet, that should not be a problem.
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post Mar 1 2015, 04:59 AM

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Salam tiga pertiga malam.

Nk mintak pendapat kalian.. Apakah kepentingan berguru?
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post Mar 1 2015, 11:38 AM

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post Mar 1 2015, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(ilovecookie @ Mar 1 2015, 11:38 AM)
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post Mar 1 2015, 04:13 PM

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post Mar 1 2015, 07:25 PM

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QUOTE(aimank_88 @ Mar 1 2015, 04:59 AM)
Salam tiga pertiga malam.

Nk mintak pendapat kalian.. Apakah kepentingan berguru?
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kalau takde guru kemungkinan hawa nafsu kita yang akan mencorakkan ilmu dan kefahaman yang kita ada.
sebab itu kalau nak belajar terutama sekali ilmu agama kena ada guru .
dan dasar ilmu yang paling harus kena ada adalah ilmu tauhid yang membuat kan kita kenal yang hak dan yang batil

namun saya lihat di internet / youtube alhamdullilah guru2 dan ilmu yang disampaikan sangat baik.
byk juga yg saya sendiri belajar dari internet dari pemikiran islam yg sempit dan jumud jadik lebih relevan dan indah kerana mereka2 yang berkongsikan ilmu mereka di internet. mereka yang cuba memelihara islam sebagaimana rasullulah dan sahabat amalkan. bagi saya hukumnya harus untuk belajar di internet , provided yang menyampaikan tu tak menyeleweng.

bab aqidah dan feqah suka ulama2 di tanah arab.
macam sheikh utahymeen , bin baz , albana , sheikh sharawi mesir rahimahumullah. walaupun mereka dah tiada tapi ilmu yg divideokan dan melalui tulisan sangat baik ,diorang suka sampaikan macam mana rasullulah dan sahabat buat tanpa ada pandangan sendiri atau tokok tambah .

among my favs in youtube
Nouman ali khan - tafsir/tadabbur quran
Habib ali al jufri - Bab2 hati
Maulana tariq jameel - bab2 hati
Habib muhammad assaggaff - Sunnah
Mufti menk - sirah nabi2 , sunnah etc
Ahmad deedat - comparative religion

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post Mar 1 2015, 08:18 PM

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QUOTE(ralfvi @ Mar 1 2015, 07:25 PM)
kalau takde guru kemungkinan hawa nafsu kita yang akan mencorakkan ilmu dan kefahaman yang kita ada.
sebab itu kalau nak belajar terutama sekali ilmu agama kena ada guru  .
dan dasar ilmu yang paling harus kena ada adalah ilmu tauhid yang membuat kan kita kenal yang hak dan yang batil

namun saya lihat di internet / youtube alhamdullilah guru2 dan ilmu yang disampaikan sangat baik.
byk juga yg saya sendiri belajar dari internet dari pemikiran islam yg sempit dan jumud jadik lebih relevan dan indah kerana mereka2 yang berkongsikan ilmu mereka di internet. mereka yang cuba memelihara islam sebagaimana rasullulah dan sahabat amalkan. bagi saya hukumnya harus untuk belajar di internet , provided yang menyampaikan tu tak menyeleweng. 

bab aqidah dan feqah suka ulama2 di tanah arab.
macam sheikh utahymeen , bin baz , albana , sheikh sharawi mesir rahimahumullah. walaupun mereka dah tiada tapi ilmu yg divideokan dan melalui tulisan sangat baik ,diorang suka sampaikan macam mana rasullulah dan sahabat buat tanpa ada pandangan sendiri atau tokok tambah .

among my favs in youtube
Nouman ali khan - tafsir/tadabbur quran
Habib ali al jufri - Bab2 hati
Maulana tariq jameel - bab2 hati
Habib muhammad assaggaff - Sunnah
Mufti menk - sirah nabi2 , sunnah etc
Ahmad deedat - comparative religion
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Awesome!

So far apa yg saya belajar, kepentingan berguru:

1) Belajar tanpa guru, maka syaitan lah akan menjadi guru, walaupun kitab yg kita pelajari itu Al-Quran
2) Sanat perguruan, betapa pentingnya sanat ini hingga menjadi salah satu faktor penentuan hadis sahih atau daif.
3) Selain dpt menjalin perhubungan sesama insan, ukhwah, apa2 persoalan boleh ditanyakan terus
4) Dan berguru hendaklah ramai, lebih drpd satu. Seperti yang kita amek iktibar drpd Imam Syafie.
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post Mar 1 2015, 11:04 PM

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bunuh cicak dapat pahala, betul ke?
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post Mar 2 2015, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(Nebelung Valesti @ Mar 1 2015, 11:04 PM)
bunuh cicak dapat pahala, betul ke?
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Yerp. Tp bunuh ye, jgn menyeksakan.
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post Mar 2 2015, 07:02 AM

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QUOTE(aimank_88 @ Mar 2 2015, 12:12 AM)
Yerp. Tp bunuh ye, jgn menyeksakan.
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ada apa2 dalil atau nas kukuh yang menyuruh kita bunuh cicak?
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post Mar 2 2015, 09:05 AM

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QUOTE(Nebelung Valesti @ Mar 1 2015, 11:04 PM)
bunuh cicak dapat pahala, betul ke?
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Banyak lagi benda yang boleh untuk dapat pahala dari bunuh cicak
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post Mar 2 2015, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(Xnet @ Mar 2 2015, 09:05 AM)
Banyak lagi benda yang boleh untuk dapat pahala dari bunuh cicak
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I stand with this statement since Im not fond of killing any creatures unless they possess threats like snake and centipede

However if you are to kill the creature, kill it for the sake of cleanliness of your place, and to get His acceptance.
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post Mar 2 2015, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(aimank_88 @ Mar 2 2015, 12:12 AM)
Yerp. Tp bunuh ye, jgn menyeksakan.
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QUOTE(Xnet @ Mar 2 2015, 09:05 AM)
Banyak lagi benda yang boleh untuk dapat pahala dari bunuh cicak
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Takde la. Saje tanya. Sebab masa pergi umrah minggu lepas, ada ustaz kongsi cerita pasal salah ilmu agama orang malaysia. Salah satunya bab bunuh cicak. Katanya tak ada dalil bunuh cicak dapat pahala dan cerita cicak kantoikan nabi dalan gua pun tak ada. Dia sendiri tak tahu macam mana cerita cicak tu boleh wujud. So, teringat la aku masa zaman sekolah rendah dulu pun ustaz ada bagitau bunuh cicak dapat pahala.
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QUOTE(Nebelung Valesti @ Mar 2 2015, 09:55 AM)
Takde la. Saje tanya. Sebab masa pergi umrah minggu lepas, ada ustaz kongsi cerita pasal  salah ilmu agama orang malaysia. Salah satunya bab bunuh cicak. Katanya tak ada dalil bunuh cicak dapat pahala dan cerita cicak kantoikan nabi dalan gua pun tak ada. Dia sendiri tak tahu macam mana cerita cicak tu boleh wujud. So, teringat la aku masa zaman sekolah rendah dulu pun ustaz ada bagitau bunuh cicak dapat pahala.
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Perlu kajian mendalam ni. Mungkin hadis palsu selama ini.
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post Mar 2 2015, 11:42 AM

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Sapa sini bercita-cita nak poligami ?

Saja tanya lol tongue.gif
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post Mar 2 2015, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(seiferalmercy @ Mar 2 2015, 11:42 AM)
Sapa sini bercita-cita nak poligami ?

Saja tanya lol tongue.gif
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Angan2 ada. Cita2 tak ada.Yang pertama pun belum bertemu.

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