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post Feb 24 2015, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(tentang rasa @ Feb 24 2015, 05:29 PM)
great explanation


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Nice sharing.
But i remember i read somewhere about a new theory that Aisha actually 18 years old when she merried. So, i want to know if you guys read it too and i wonder how reliable the new theory is?
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post Feb 24 2015, 07:00 PM

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QUOTE(Nebelung Valesti @ Feb 24 2015, 06:48 PM)
Nice sharing.
But i remember i read somewhere about a new theory that Aisha actually 18 years old when she merried. So, i want to know if you guys read it too and i wonder how reliable the new theory is?
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the main thing the marriage between rasullulah and aisha be it below 12 or above is not considered as a tabboo for the pagan meccans and is considered a norm in the society. because they never slander or mock the messenger for that matter.

i also read somewhere that fatimah az zahra r.anha did mention that she is 5 years older than her.
which means she is closer to 16-18 at the time of marriage.

plus if indeed the messenger married an underage it would be a sunnah therefore we would see millions of moslem marrying underage girl.

in islam age of puberty is age of consent , the point where your ownself knows whether something is wrong or right and
can take his/her own responsibility upon his/her own action.

though it also crucial to highlight that islam does not allow a women to marry without her consent.
it is sad when force marriage is done openly in islamic countries as if its the teachings of islam.
in fact islam enforces personal liberty to the believers and non-believers within the boundries of the law.

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post Feb 24 2015, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(ralfvi @ Feb 24 2015, 07:00 PM)
the main thing the marriage between rasullulah and aisha be it below 12 or above is not considered as a tabboo for the pagan meccans and is considered a norm in the society. because they never slander or mock the messenger for that matter.

i also read somewhere that fatimah az zahra r.anha did mention that she is 5 years older than her.
which means she is closer to 16-18 at the time of marriage.

plus if indeed the messenger married an underage it would be a sunnah therefore we would see millions of moslem marrying underage girl.

in islam age of puberty is age of consent , the point where your ownself knows whether something is wrong or right and
can take his/her own responsibility upon his/her own action.

though it also crucial to highlight that islam does not allow a women to marry without her consent.
it is sad when force marriage is done openly in islamic countries as if its the teachings of islam.
in fact islam enforces personal liberty to the believers and non-believers within the boundries of the law.
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Yeah, and the main root of the majority's perspective is, marriage = sex. Well in Islam, sex is more like the third or fourth criteria. First is we do what we do is because of Allah, and Allah views marriage as something that He likes, so shall we please Him. Second, in marriage, the man takes full responsibility of his wife, other than the usual that we know of such as food, shelter, etc, the utmost important is knowledge. The husband must be a teacher that teaches the wife about Allah and life and everything. Of course if the wife is more knowledgeable then it would be vice versa, or both knows somewhat the same thing, then both should learn new things, together. Being said, how important we should view in a husband to educate his wife, is because whatever the wife does wrongly, the sin is also shared with the husband, and because of this responsibility, which comes a prophecy in which there are men that is being dragged to hell just because of their wives. I forgot if its a hadith or from the Quran, but there are 4 people that is likely to be put in hell because of this, her father, her husband, her brothers, and her sons.

And lastly, as i put it, is sex. Nafkah batin.

I remembered somewhere that yes Rasulullah SAW did marry Aisha when she was underaged. But no, there was no sex going on. Aisha at that time needed knowledge and care, and that is exactly what Rasulullah SAW did.

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QUOTE(Nebelung Valesti @ Feb 24 2015, 06:48 PM)
Nice sharing.
But i remember i read somewhere about a new theory that Aisha actually 18 years old when she merried. So, i want to know if you guys read it too and i wonder how reliable the new theory is?
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havent heard about that before.. but i once listen to ustaz hussain yee said she and rasulullah doesnt have any sexual intercourse during early age of marriage smile.gif
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I have no problem and fully understand about the underage marriage. It just the new theory that i read make sense too. So i thought maybe some of you here know about it and i want to know how reliable the info. Sorry i cannot find the source of the info, but i remember i just google it.
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QUOTE(ralfvi @ Feb 24 2015, 07:00 PM)

though it also crucial to highlight that islam does not allow a women to marry without her consent.
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How can a 5 years old kid gives her consent?
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post Feb 25 2015, 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(kimasapi @ Feb 25 2015, 06:43 PM)
How can a 5 years old kid gives her consent?
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what are you insinuating ?
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QUOTE(Nebelung Valesti @ Feb 24 2015, 06:48 PM)
Nice sharing.
But i remember i read somewhere about a new theory that Aisha actually 18 years old when she merried. So, i want to know if you guys read it too and i wonder how reliable the new theory is?
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http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm

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The compiler of the famous Hadith collection Mishkat al-Masabih, Imam Wali-ud-Din Muhammad ibn Abdullah Al-Khatib, who died 700 years ago, has also written brief biographical notes on the narrators of Hadith reports. He writes under Asma,  the older daughter of Abu Bakr:

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“She was the sister of Aisha Siddiqa, wife of the Holy Prophet, and was ten years older than her. … In 73 A.H. … Asma died at the age of one hundred years.”


This would make Asma 28 years of age in 1 A.H., the year of the Hijra, thus making Aisha 18 years old in 1 A.H. So Aisha would be 19 years old at the time of the consummation of her marriage, and 14 or 15 years old at the time of her nikah. It would place her year of birth at four or five years before the Call.

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[quote=aliesterfiend,Feb 26 2015, 11:00 AM]
http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm
This would make Asma 28 years of age in 1 A.H., the year of the Hijra, thus making Aisha 18 years old in 1 A.H. So Aisha would be 19 years old at the time of the consummation of her marriage, and 14 or 15 years old at the time of her nikah. It would place her year of birth at four or five years before the Call.[/quote]
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Tapi semua tu pendapat. Yang penting nikah tu cukup rukun dan syarat.Anyway dalam ni tak sebut 'baligh' tapi rasaya masa belajar dulu ada sebut baligh.

http://masjidwilayah.gov.my/v1/index.php?o...nikah&Itemid=15
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Feb 26 2015, 11:00 AM)
http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm
This would make Asma 28 years of age in 1 A.H., the year of the Hijra, thus making Aisha 18 years old in 1 A.H. So Aisha would be 19 years old at the time of the consummation of her marriage, and 14 or 15 years old at the time of her nikah. It would place her year of birth at four or five years before the Call.

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Thanks. not the site i read before but it quoted same info i read. I remember there are more evidents from the original source incuding quote from quran as i remember.

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QUOTE(Nebelung Valesti @ Feb 26 2015, 05:38 PM)
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Thanks. not the site i read before but it quoted same info i read. I remember there are more evidents from the original source incuding quote from quran as i remember.
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Tak rasa ada direct quote from the Qur'an. Kalau ada tak timbul isu nih. smile.gif In any case I just give one link. Bab ilmu ni however we should always get from multiple source because pendapat berbeza beza. Get from multiple sources then we have better chance to decide on which is best and applicable to us base on our understanding.

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Feb 27 2015, 11:30 AM)
Tak rasa ada direct quote from the Qur'an. Kalau ada tak timbul isu nih. smile.gif In any case I just give one link. Bab ilmu ni however we should always get from multiple source because pendapat berbeza beza. Get from multiple sources then we have better chance to decide on which is best and applicable to us base on our understanding.
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Ada. I remember. Anyway just found this site to refute the new theory i read.
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Refutation_of_Mo...inst_Aishas_Age
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QUOTE(Nebelung Valesti @ Feb 27 2015, 04:04 PM)
Ada. I remember. Anyway just found this site to refute the new theory i read.
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Refutation_of_Mo...inst_Aishas_Age
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Thanks. But remember you also need to re-verified the claims yourself. WikiIslam was created for a reason. smile.gif

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Main_Page

Check the front page. wink.gif
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Feb 27 2015, 04:14 PM)
Thanks. But remember you also need to re-verified the claims yourself. WikiIslam was created for a reason.  smile.gif

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Main_Page

Check the front page.  wink.gif
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yes, just like you said earlier need to verified from multiple sources. that is why i ask here if any of you guys know about it so we can share some knowledge and opinion. tapi nampaknya tak ramai yang tahu. anywhay, how reliable the wikiislam?
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QUOTE(Nebelung Valesti @ Feb 27 2015, 06:21 PM)
yes, just like you said earlier need to verified from multiple sources. that is why i ask here if any of you guys know about it so we can share some knowledge and opinion. tapi nampaknya tak ramai yang tahu. anywhay, how reliable the wikiislam?
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Wiki Islam ? It's made to discredit Islam. smile.gif Not the source of information regarding Islam. Just like that anweringislam.com/org or something. biggrin.gif They put the real soruce but make their own interpretation of them.

I usually stay away from sites that interpretes. I rather make my own.

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