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post Feb 19 2016, 10:08 AM

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Uthman ordered abu bakr? Surely you meant someone else.
Abu bakr was replaced by Umar, who was later replaced by Uthman.
By the way, in the interest of discussion, everyone please state your source so that it can be treated not as a personal claim or opinion and can be verified.
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post Feb 19 2016, 10:10 AM

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Langsung saja, ucapan orang tersebut membuktikan bahwa ia tidak paham/tidak pernah membaca sejarah umat islam. Sebab khalifah pertama yang membukukan/mengumpulkan Al Quran adalah khalifah Abu bakar As Shiddiq rodhiallohu ‘anhu, dan bukan khalifah Utsman bin Affan rodhiallohu ‘anhu. Yang dilakukan oleh sahabat Utsman bin Affan adalah menyatukan bacaan Al Quran dengan menggunakan logat bahasa orang-orang Quraisy, tak lebih dan tak kurang dari itu. Adapun pembukuan Al Quran pertama dilakukan pada zaman Abu Bakar, akan tetapi kala itu tidak disatukan dengan satu logat. Karena perlu diketahui bahwa Al Quran diturunkan oleh Alloh dalam tujuh logat bahasa Arab, dan dahulu Rasulullah shalallahu ‘alaihi wa sallam membenarkan/membolehkan seluruh bacaan Al Quran tersebut, dengan berbagai perbedaan logat bahasa. Akan tetapi karena perbedaan logat bahasa ini menimbulkan perselisihan di tengah-tengah umat Islam, yaitu pada masa Utsman bin Affan, maka beliau memerintahkan agar seluruh umat islam membaca Al Quran dengan satu logat, yaitu logat orang-orang Quraisy dan pembukuannya pun disesuaikan dengan logat tersebut. Inilah ringkas cerita yang terjadi pada masa khalifah Utsman bin Affan.

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https://konsultasisyariah.com/10-pembukuan-al-quran.html

This is how I learned, more or less. I remember being taught that there were feuds on how the quran were read (pronunciation wise) during the time of Uthman.
Mind you the way they wore it down in those times were different. No dots, no comma, no signs. Arab gundul, some people call it. Hence the different ways of pronunciation.
One example I was given and still remember is:
Some tribes read "maalikiyawmid diin"
Some read it "malikiyawmid diin" (short "ma")
While this may give different meanings to each tribe, as in" maalik" in one tribe may mean the owner/ruler but the same ruler is using the word with short "ma" in another
There should be others, but this is the only one I can remember

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post Feb 19 2016, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(s2peMocls @ Feb 19 2016, 10:18 AM)
You're right. I guess I'm only human and need to study the quran harder. Editing the post now. Thanks
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Thanks also to you. I hope we can all be civilized in our discussion.
But I am only human, sometimes I find it hard to reply with reason instead of emotion. I hope I will have the strength to admit when I am corrected, as you have shown.
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post Feb 19 2016, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(notoriousfiq @ Feb 19 2016, 10:42 AM)
This is worth to be read. So there is 2 different findings: some say Uthman booked the Quran, some say Abu Bakr did.

I'm not interested to dig deeper on that now. I rather go to the point of the matter. The fact that Muhammad didn't book the Quran, but the caliph did. The fact that which ones goes into the book determined by the caliph. Others burnt.
I agree with you, get varying views from scholars. And to me, its not a simple Yes or No answer, even saying No, but..
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Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 2:
ذَٰلِكَ الْكِتَابُ لَا رَيْبَ فِيهِ هُدًى لِّلْمُتَّقِينَ

This is the Book (the Quran), whereof there is no doubt, a guidance to those who are Al-Muttaqun [the pious and righteous persons who fear Allah much (abstain from all kinds of sins and evil deeds which He has forbidden) and love Allah much (perform all kinds of good deeds which He has ordained)].
(English - Mohsin Khan)

via iQuran

Regardless of who connected the pieces together into one book, the contents of the Quran itself say that the Quran is a book. Hence both Abu Bakr n Uthman was just executing this aspect.
During the effort to form a physical book, there was no resistance amongst the sahabat, i.e. Everyone concur with the idea. So this still falls in line with one of the judicial basis of Islam: the ijmaa' - even if one argues that the word "kitab" and its other forms that are found describing the Quran, should be translated as something else.

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post Feb 19 2016, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(notoriousfiq @ Feb 19 2016, 11:49 AM)
Okay, calm down.. There is no argument/question on Quran's form as a book. Of course it should be a book.

I was stating the fact that Muhammad didn't make it a physical book, and the fact that many Muslims see it as a holy physical object/book.
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It's ok bro, i'm still calm as the wind in KLCC now. hehehe...
didn't realize my post could be interpreted as uncalm. what i wanted to do was add to your words, not to appear as correcting, much less opposing.

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post Feb 19 2016, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(s2peMocls @ Feb 19 2016, 02:45 PM)
This is another typical response from those who choose to ignore the history of islam. Most muslims don't even know there are many versions of "the original" quran, but they make claims it is solid and without errors. When it is pointed out that due to the actions of Uthman, the quran cannot be solid and free of errors, the rationale that "it is not important who put together the quran" given. The Shia muslims do not recognize the caliphs as successors to muhammed, thus as far as they are concerned, the Uthmanic codex of the quran is not solid and free of errors.

Shouldn't there be efforts to reconciliate the differences in interpreting the religion rather than saying "my version is fixed i don't care what you say, but it is fix because the version i have says it is fix, even though the version you have says too that it is fixed". Never ending conflict.
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Interpretation is one thing, the quran is another.
We have a number of interpretation books, from Ibn katheer, AlQurtuby and so on. But we have only one Quran.
(By the way, car you didn't know yet, some of the shia sects are not conssidered Muslim. So it is not aa strong argument here.)
The Muslim firmly believe that the Quran we have right now is the same one that was finalized during the time of the prophet Muhammad shallallahu 'allaihi wasallam.
The key word being believe. If people don't believe, then that is their business.
I hve already stated that the feuds were on the pronunciation and I have shown my source. I have not seen credible source to say that there were other versions of the Quran.
Anyway, if you have further questions on the authenticity of thr Quran as we have it, I suggest you direct to peoplle of knoowledge.
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post Feb 19 2016, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(s2peMocls @ Feb 19 2016, 03:44 PM)
You can firmly believe whatever you want

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And the same to you my friend. When we talk about beliefs, I believe (pardon the pun) then one is enyitled to have whatever one choses. Whether or not it is correct, only in the afterlife we shall discover.

Within my belief, I wish you hidayah.
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post Feb 19 2016, 04:17 PM

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Sorry for the double post, and thank you Digi.

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post Feb 19 2016, 05:03 PM

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Surah Al-Maeda, Verse 6:
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِذَا قُمْتُمْ إِلَى الصَّلَاةِ فَاغْسِلُوا وُجُوهَكُمْ وَأَيْدِيَكُمْ إِلَى الْمَرَافِقِ وَامْسَحُوا بِرُءُوسِكُمْ وَأَرْجُلَكُمْ إِلَى الْكَعْبَيْنِ وَإِن كُنتُمْ جُنُبًا فَاطَّهَّرُوا وَإِن كُنتُم مَّرْضَىٰ أَوْ عَلَىٰ سَفَرٍ أَوْ جَاءَ أَحَدٌ مِّنكُم مِّنَ الْغَائِطِ أَوْ لَامَسْتُمُ النِّسَاءَ فَلَمْ تَجِدُوا مَاءً فَتَيَمَّمُوا صَعِيدًا طَيِّبًا فَامْسَحُوا بِوُجُوهِكُمْ وَأَيْدِيكُم مِّنْهُ مَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِيَجْعَلَ عَلَيْكُم مِّنْ حَرَجٍ وَلَٰكِن يُرِيدُ لِيُطَهِّرَكُمْ وَلِيُتِمَّ نِعْمَتَهُ عَلَيْكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَشْكُرُونَ

O you who believe! When you intend to offer As-Salat (the prayer), wash your faces and your hands (forearms) up to the elbows, rub (by passing wet hands over) your heads, and (wash) your feet up to ankles...
(English - Mohsin Khan)

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Here's a point for our discussion.
I have not found translation saying the ear need to be washed. My iQuran app has 5 english translation, plus Melayu and Bahasa Indonesia.
Are we doing it wrong
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post Feb 19 2016, 05:43 PM

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How to Perform Wudu
Imam Ahmad recorded that;
Ibn Abbas once performed Wudu and took a handful of
water and rinsed his mouth and nose with it. He took
another handful of water and joined both hands and
washed his face. He took another handful of water and
washed his right hand, and another handful and washed
his left hand with it. He next wiped his head. Next, he
took a handful of water and sprinkled it on his right foot
and washed it and took another handful of water and
washed his left foot. When he finished, he said,
"This is how I saw the Messenger of Allah (performing
Wudu).''
Al-Bukhari also recorded it.

Source: tafseer ibn katheer (android app)

Just to add another reference that there is no mention of the ear
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QUOTE(tentang rasa @ Feb 19 2016, 05:48 PM)
The greatest achievement of Uthman was uniting the ummah with a single Mus-haf

The third stage in the compilation of the Qur'an at the time of 'Uthman ibn 'Afffan

- The motive for compiling the Qur'an at the time of 'Uthman

It was narrated from Anas ibn Maalik that Hudhayfah ibn al- Yamaan came to 'Uthman when he was on campaign with the people of Syria and the people of Iraq in the conquest of Armenia and Azerbaijan. Hudhayfah was very alarmed by the differences in their recitation, so Hudhayfah said to Uthman '0 Ameer al- Mu'mineen, save this ummah before they differ concerning the Book as the Jews and the Christians did.' Uthman sent word to Hafsah saying, "Send us the manuscript so that we may make copies of it, then we will return it to you". So Hafsah sent it to Uthman, and he ordered Zayd ibn Thabit, 'Abd-Allah ibn az-Zubayr, Sa'eed ibn al-'Aas and 'Abd ar-Rahmaan ibn al-Haarith ibn Hishaam to make copies of it. 'Uthman said to the three Qurashi men: "If you and Zayd ibn Thabit differ concerning anything of the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraysh, for it was revealed in their dialect". So they did that, until they had made many copies, then Uthman returned the manuscript to Hafsah, and he sent a copied Mus-haf to every region and ordered that all other Qur'anic material, whether it was manuscripts or entire copies, be burnt.

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Thanks. Good read.
Mind sharing the name of the pdf book?

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post Feb 19 2016, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(EarendurFefalas @ Feb 19 2016, 05:55 PM)
remove debate topic (subject for admin approval) and keep it casual laugh.gif

debate topic only open if we had real ustaz, later kena ask semua gugup then bagi pendapat sendiri which prone to kesalahan
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We are all trying to learn more of islam, not in the position to debate. Or at least if we do debate, we're not really credible.
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Found this :
Al-Rubayyi‘ narrated that she saw the Prophet (Allah be upon him) wipe his head, front and back, and his temples and ears once. Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allah be pleased with him) narrated that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) wiped his head and his ears, inside and out. Al-Tirmidhi said: The hadeeth of Ibn ‘Abbaas and the hadeeth of al-Rubayyi‘ are both saheeh.

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https://islamqa.info/en/115246

In the above, it was mentioned that the washing of the ear is based on the action of our beloved Prophet Muhammad shalallahu alaihi wasallam. There was no actual record of him telling the companion to do it explicitly. Or at least, no record that I can find, anyway.
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Surah Adh-Dhariyat, Verse 56:
وَمَا خَلَقْتُ الْجِنَّ وَالْإِنسَ إِلَّا لِيَعْبُدُونِ

And I (Allah) created not the jinns and humans except they should worship Me (Alone).
(English - Mohsin Khan)

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I'm about to board my plane here guys...
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post Feb 22 2016, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(EarendurFefalas @ Feb 22 2016, 09:49 AM)
btw

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Thanks for sharing. Interesting subject this, and I must confess I am not a full believer of alternative healing.

I found this, though... (it refers to the same pic)

.Diet ala Rasulullah

Sejauh ini, kami belum menemukan kutipan hadis yang Saudara bawakan dalam Shahih Bukhari dan Muslim, mungkin karena ketidaktelitian kami. Kami mohon maaf belum dapat menelusuri pernyataan tersebut dari kitab hadis lainnya, dikarenakan kesibukan kami.

Pernyataan yang paling dekat yang kami temukan dengan kutipan pernyataan beliau adalah sebagaimana yang diungkapkan oleh Ibnul Qayyim rahimahullaahu dalam kitab beliau Ath Thibbun Nabawy (edisi terjemahan: Metode Pengobatan Nabi shallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam, Hal.277, terbitan Griya Ilmu). Beliau memaparkan bahwa (menurut kami, berdasarkan penelitian beliau terhadap hadis-hadis tentang makanan Nabi shallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) Rasulullaah shallallahu ‘alaihi wa sallam tidak pernah menggabungkan antara susu dengan ikan, susu dengan yoghurt, susu dengan telur, atau antara daging dengan susu. Dan tidak menggabungkan antara makanan dengan unsur serupa seperti panas dengan panas, dingin dengan dingin, atau yang tidak mungkin dicampurkan, seperti makanan yang sulit dicerna dengan yang mudah dicerna, makanan segar dengan yang diawetkan, dan seterusnya. (Kami anjurkan untuk merujuk pada buku aslinya, untuk keterangan lebih lengkap, karena sangat bermanfaat).

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https://konsultasisyariah.com/10892-diet-ala-rasulullah.html
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post Feb 22 2016, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(EarendurFefalas @ Feb 22 2016, 10:32 AM)
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kalau tak silap yang kiri tu lebih kepada "tiada hadis mengatakan"
meanwhile yang kiri tu lebih kepada pendapat ulamak
disclaimer: pendapat, aku yang kata

sama macam kismis, tiada hadis tapi pendapat ulamak <-- sos dr asri

kopi pulak, err sapa tahu? :hmmm:
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Yes, I saw that it read "tiada hadist mengatakan"

But never the less, I was intrigued with the topic. True enough, the article I found also said there is no hadist exactly like it. The writer could only assume it was like a summary of concluded from the book of Ibn al Qayyim (who is considered an Islamic "doctor" - read somewhere).
If we read the pic also didn't actually say "Rasulullaah SAW bersabda" or however a hadist would normally start. It never actually claimed to be a hadist, in the first place.
Anyway, being not a full believer of alternative medicine, I would think I will only have more doubts if I read the Ibn al Qayyim book
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So I'll just let it be
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post Mar 1 2016, 10:11 AM

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Long time no new post here
So maybe this would get a discussion going
-QUOTE-
Yang dimaksud air musta’mal adalah air yang jatuh dari anggota wudhu orang yang berwudhu. Atau gampangnya kita sebut air musta’mal dengan air bekas wudhu.

Para ulama berselisih pendapat apakah air ini masih disebut air yang bisa mensucikan (muthohhir) ataukah tidak.

Namun pendapat yang lebih kuat, air musta’mal termasuk air muthohhir(mensucikan, berarti bisa digunakan untuk berwudhu dan mandi) selama ia tidak keluar dari nama air muthlaq atau tidak menjadi najis disebabkan tercampur dengan sesuatu yang najis sehingga merubah bau, rasa atau warnanya. Inilah pendapat yang dianut oleh ‘Ali bin Abi Tholib, Ibnu ‘Umar, Abu Umamah, sekelompok ulama salaf, pendapat yang masyhur dari Malikiyah, merupakan salah satu pendapat dari Imam Asy Syafi’i dan Imam Ahmad, pendapat Ibnu Hazm, Ibnul Mundzir dan Syaikhul Islam Ibnu Taimiyah.[4]
-END QUOTE-

Link
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https://muslim.or.id/1853-air-yang-digunaka...k-berwudhu.html

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post Mar 11 2016, 02:51 PM

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Islamophobia @ bank islam klcc
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QUOTE(xein @ Mar 11 2016, 02:21 PM)
Khutbah disini macam pernah dengar dulu2.
Mengenai umat islam mesti bersatu padu dalam menjaga kedaulatan dan keselamatan dengan menambah ilmu.
Juga mengajak ahli keluarga dan masyarakat melakukan kebaikan dan menjauhi kemungkaran.
Minggu depan rasanya khutbah mengenai mengawasi masa lapang anak2 dan memgenai keluarga dan aktiviti berfaedah.
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Happened to me once in johor. One Friday go to this masjid and they talk about subject A. Next Friday go to another/different masjid and the same khutbah, word for word, was repeated. Only different in how the khatib read the text.

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QUOTE(scams @ Mar 11 2016, 04:52 PM)
I remembered my ustaz told me about the situation in Tanah Arab. Since the weather and humidity there is hot & dry during the day, even if you poop the smells won't even last. And the poop will smeared into dusts after few hours. (this was what he said)

Maybe they did the business in a confined place, dug a hole and covered it up once done.
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Correction a bit
it's not always dry, there are times that the humidity is very high also. Combined with the heat/temperature, it would be very dangerous to do physical activities (remember the discussion on holding the world cup in Qatar's winter time).

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