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 Gold Investment Corner V8, All About Gold

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post May 8 2017, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(XtraLeoGecko @ May 8 2017, 10:28 AM)
Good critetia... perhaps LBMA too.
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Yeah..with LBMA. Thanks
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post May 8 2017, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(scottyvstheworld @ May 8 2017, 01:05 PM)
I see thanks for the advice. So usually from where you buy your gold from?
Also how would gold work if the monetary system do fail? If a bag of rice cost 1 gold coin but your gold is kilos of bars, how to trade?
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I bought my gold from Public Gold.

The kilo bars of course not suitable to buy smaller goods, thats why I keeps other small denominations from as small as 0.5g, 1g, 5g etc.
This I learned from one of my customers. He orders about 100 plus pieces of 1gram from me every month. To prepare if such things happen in the future.
and Public Gold offer the cheapest 1g domination per piece in Malaysia.
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post May 8 2017, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(nanomugen @ May 8 2017, 02:57 PM)
is there a difference in price if i buy 10x1g vs 1x10g?
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yes there is. the price for 1g minted per piece is high due to minting cost. the heavier the bar, you'll get cheaper price per gram.
if you go to local goldsmith shop, their own brand 1gm bar/wafer price around RM230-250 per piece.
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post May 8 2017, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(fasionoval @ May 8 2017, 04:37 PM)
dear sifu ,where is most worth to buy physical gold?
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buy the gold from local company which has many branches, recognised gold bars, their gold have LBMA on cert., no qualm on buy back your gold.
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post May 8 2017, 08:12 PM

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QUOTE(nanomugen @ May 8 2017, 07:21 PM)
ahh i see, im interested in public gold as well maybe wanna open up a GAP account. Like u said, bars are not suitable for smaller goods, but what if i wanna keep the gold there and 1 day i wanna sell it to PG back, would small amounts be better?
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Inside the GAP account, it will show only how many grams you have accumulate until one day you decide to withdraw physical gold in these domination
1g,5g,10g,20g,50g, 100g,250g, 1kg,
1/2dinar (2.125g), 1 dinar (4.25g), 5 dinar (21.25g) & 10 dinar (42.5g)

or you can straight away sell the gold back to PG from the GAP account. PG will deposit the money into your registered bank account. There's a button for it.

If you wanna sell it back the gold to PG, it is better to sell back the gold with the lowest spread, so you can maximize your profit.

*The lowest spread would be the heaviest gold bar.
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post May 8 2017, 08:26 PM

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this how the GAP account looks like. you can access it anywhere as long you have internet

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post May 8 2017, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(nanomugen @ May 8 2017, 08:34 PM)
so the amount in the GAP initially is just in how many grams? Only during withdrawal of the physical gold i get to choose the denominations?
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post May 9 2017, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(nanomugen @ May 8 2017, 11:08 PM)
1 more thing, if i decide not to withdraw and sell some of the amount in my GAP account to PG, will it be sold with the lowest spread? (e.g total is 20g, i sell 10g or maybe 5g)
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It will use standard spread for 1g which is 9%.
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post May 9 2017, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(roy_zu @ May 9 2017, 09:09 AM)
Just reading thru this thread and quick question. Can I get physical gold from Public Gold straight every time i buy?

My concern, if it's putting the amount for 1G today in PG and the next day the GOLD price came down, how it will be calculated?
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Yes. You can straight away get the gold by using the non-gap way.

Once u bought the gold let's say 1g , regardless by price increase or decrease after that, u still have that 1 gm.
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post May 15 2017, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(honkkydorry @ May 15 2017, 09:12 AM)
Hey folks, need some advice. I was talking to my mother last night and she told me my aunt invested in some gold recently. I didn't get the name of the company doing this but I will check more on this later.  This gold investment scheme doesn't offer physical gold.  It's more like price increase, the profit is banked directly to the investor's account. I am a bit sceptical about this. As far as I know, gold investors will get physical gold isn't?

She said my aunt has invested 25k on this gold and has received profit of 4k.  Not sure how long is the investment  but don't think it was that long ago, maybe 1-3 mths.  Not sure if this is accumulative amount over the period of investment or if she has striked it big one time. My mom also invested 2k and she said has received about RM100++ profit.  I told her to be careful before making any investment as she sounded very excited.

So my question - Does this sound legit? I will try to find out name of company.
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When your aunt received the 4K profit, is it after she got back the 25k she invested earlier? If not, u can't really call it a profit but much likely a Ponzi scheme. Same goes to ur mom. Better check fast.
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post May 17 2017, 08:31 AM

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QUOTE(lowya @ May 16 2017, 04:27 PM)
are you talking about physical gold?

any examples based on above mentioned criteria (besides the one you sell)?

how is it possible to have unlimited stock?
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Yeah, I'm talking about physical.

I'm not sure about others, you need to check with the sellers and do the comparison.

Some company when during the price go down, suddenly not enough or don't have stock, and vice versa. as for us, we never fail to supply the physical at any price locked by customer.
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post May 20 2017, 02:57 AM

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QUOTE(honkkydorry @ May 19 2017, 03:58 PM)
I dont know how to convince them otherwise, I can only pray they know when to stop...my aunt, i mean
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Open this link and show her Bank Negara Financial Consumer Alert list

The Dinar Dirham at no 59 in the alert list
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post May 20 2017, 02:58 AM

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Notices & Announcements
Beware of financial scams promising unrealistic high returns
Release Date: 29 Apr 2017

Members of the public are advised to be careful before participating in get rich quick schemes. Be alert and look out for the following common features:

The approach by the operators may have been made by mail, telephone, Internet or in person, but the intention is always the same, that is, to take money from unsuspecting victim for goods or services that they have no intention to provide.
Schemes which promise interest rates, returns or profits, which are much higher than the returns offered by licensed financial institutions for their deposits.
The promises of high returns are aimed at attracting the members of the public to participate in the schemes and the investors may not be given copies of any documentation including agreements by the operators.
There is also no assurance that the operators of such schemes can continue to pay the high returns.
At the beginning of such schemes, the operators are able to use money received from subsequent depositors to pay high returns or to repay the principal amount to the earlier depositors.
However, the operators could not invest the deposits in equally or more lucrative ventures or investments and therefore unable to sustain the high returns or repayment promised to their depositors.
Please note that these schemes will fail eventually when there are no new deposits being continually received by the operators. At such time, the "get-rich-quick" schemes will collapse and the depositors or investors will lose their investments.

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post May 20 2017, 11:15 PM

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Your welcome
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post Aug 17 2017, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(jackster @ Aug 17 2017, 09:06 PM)
Hi Guys, is buying gold or silver form bank a good idea? I google, they give you paper/cert. Is that a safe investment?
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Every physical gold must come with cert. IF you buy from bank, need to take great care of the cert. Some bank wont accept the buy back if the cert spoil or lost. hence, you have to sell it to other party and may have to accept wider buyer back spread.

If you want to buy and hold physical, I suggest you to buy from less fussy private institution that can accept whether the cert spoil or lost, operating & providing 24 hrs assistance and of course established.

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post Sep 5 2017, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(fasionoval @ Sep 3 2017, 03:16 PM)
for gold account
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public gold (not public bank) - for physical & minimal purchase & ease
uob -for spread
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post Sep 6 2017, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(CSS @ Sep 6 2017, 12:43 PM)
Sharing some recommended sellers (some buyers) based on reading Ian Tai's Gold & Silver Books:

Physical:
publicgold.com.my (Gold 6.4% spread for >250g, Silver 13.6% spread for >1kg)
silvermalaysia.com
nubex.my
buysilvermalaysia.com
mybulliontrade.com

Paper Gold, UOB has best spread 2.3% but am leaning more towards CIMB 3% as you can do everything online, even opening the account.

Paper Silver, only MBB provides locally with 9% spread.
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A bit misinformation on the spread. 250gm & 1kg spread is 6% & silver 1kg = 12% more or less. The spread for every gold bars, dinars & silver can be viewed Public Gold Premium & Spreadhere
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post Sep 6 2017, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(CSS @ Sep 6 2017, 04:53 PM)
I've noticed CIMB's spread jump oddly during off hours to >8% then back to 3% during trading hours couple times.

Sucks to hear CIMB with errors, I'm too lazy to get to a bank during office hours... Be good to hear from others with experience.
You fell victim to their marketing of 6.4% as 6% and silver as well. If you look at:

https://www.publicgold.com.my

Taking today's rate of:
1. Gold 250g (48,629/45,712=~6.4%)
2. Gold 1kg (194,517/182,846=~6.4%)
3. Silver 1kg (2,954/2,600=~13.6%)

Don't just take other people's word for it - do your own calculations.
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I'm not sure how'd you get the 6.4%

Spread calculation is like this

PG Sell rate - PG Buy Rate
--------------------------------- x 100
PG Sell Rate


ie: 48,629 - 45,712 = 2917

(2,917/48,629) x 100 = 5.99%

the rest also same format.

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post Sep 6 2017, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(CSS @ Sep 6 2017, 07:39 PM)
Should divide by Buy Rate instead of Sell.

Either way, we're on the losing end 😊
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Spread basically is the income for all gold trading company.. That's how they make profit.
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post Sep 6 2017, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(XtraLeoGecko @ Sep 6 2017, 10:28 PM)
I think should b divided by SELL rate coz that would b the value we bought assume that we sell immediately after bought. Right?
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Correct

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