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post Oct 16 2014, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Oct 16 2014, 10:58 AM)
Yes, it shows faster attack on 4.15bp build.

But 4.15bp with 2hbow?  hmm.gif
No, that's not quite common for most people at this stage.

I think it's more relevant to find out
1H @ 4.15bp
2H bow @ 2.84bp
2H xbow@ 2.16bp

P/S The top 10 DH in US leaderboards, based on what I observed, none of them use 4.15bp with 1H bow on sentry build.
So, the question is, is 1H 4.15bp better than other bows at low tier bp?
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/rankings/era/1/rift-dh
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maybe they swapped out gear when they log out ?
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post Oct 16 2014, 12:16 PM

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Gaby and nyan rank 49 and 46 were both using 1handers at 4.16. There is a video of them using BL build on respective GR levels. Albeit with a bit of god mode and if you watch gabyntors gear, its mediocre. He's not even using tri tnt.s. on top of that he had to use gogok to hit 4.15. The reason why there's more bow is because gearing 4.15, you need crazy gearing. Perfect 7 on all slots without losing too much toughness. On top of that you need a nicely rolled 1 hander. 2.85 is easy to achieve. Everyone can gear even with 40% 5AS Tnt. I never went 4.15 until i actually had proper gears. Its tough to achieve. Even till now, people are struggling to hit 4.15 because its so demanding and ended up with 2.85 bp.

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post Oct 16 2014, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Oct 16 2014, 10:58 AM)
Yes, it shows faster attack on 4.15bp build.

But 4.15bp with 2hbow?  hmm.gif
No, that's not quite common for most people at this stage.

I think it's more relevant to find out
1H @ 4.15bp
2H bow @ 2.84bp
2H xbow@ 2.16bp

P/S The top 10 DH in US leaderboards, based on what I observed, none of them use 4.15bp with 1H bow on sentry build.
So, the question is, is 1H 4.15bp better than other bows at low tier bp?
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/rankings/era/1/rift-dh
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oh so 2H bow is 2.84... I think I'm kinda safe once I got a TNT. (Without TNT 2.04 now, and still not max out my IAS in Paragon)

Anyway I think Silvefire is not trying to achieve 4.15, but just shows the how different btwn attack speed and heavier damage.
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post Oct 16 2014, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(Deckard Cain @ Oct 16 2014, 12:16 PM)
Gaby and nyan rank 49 and 46 were both using 1handers at 4.16. There is a video of them using BL build on respective GR levels. Albeit with a bit of god mode and if you watch gabyntors gear,  its mediocre. He's not even using tri tnt.s. on top of that he had to use gogok to hit 4.15. The reason why there's more bow is because gearing 4.15, you need crazy gearing. Perfect 7 on all slots without losing too much toughness. On top of that you need a nicely rolled 1 hander. 2.85 is easy to achieve. Everyone can gear even with 40% 5AS Tnt. I never went 4.15 until i actually had proper gears. Its tough to achieve. Even till now, people are struggling to hit 4.15 because its so demanding and ended up with 2.85 bp.
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hm... I notice gabynator use Zei's Stone of Vengence. I thought this gem doesn't benefit any attack from sentry?
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post Oct 16 2014, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(Vorador @ Oct 16 2014, 12:21 PM)
hm... I notice gabynator use Zei's Stone of Vengence. I thought this gem doesn't benefit any attack from sentry?
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im using it too. As a Dh ur playing range and at high grift ur mostly at the edge of the screen. This is where zei really shine as the further you are the bigger the buff. Up to 40% at 50 yards.

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post Oct 16 2014, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(Deckard Cain @ Oct 16 2014, 12:33 PM)
im using it too. As a Dh ur playing range and at high grift ur mostly at the edge of the screen. This is where zei really shine as the further you are the bigger the buff. Up to 40% at 50 yards.
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My question is, I remember Zei's Vengeance is the distance between the mob and you/ your sentry.

That means if you place ur sentry and run to the edge of the screen, the sentry does not benefit much from this stone because it's not too far from the mob.

Please correct me if I'm wrong... rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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post Oct 16 2014, 01:41 PM

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not sure you guys read this before, i found the helltrapper's meticulous punishment guide here is quite useful:

http://www.diablofans.com/builds/3053-meti...ate-13-oct-2014

if u do not have perfect IAS gears for 4.154BP, you can use leg gem gogok of swiftness to achieve it.

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post Oct 16 2014, 02:49 PM

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Gogok is mainly used to achieve 40+ cdr for perma SS. Although ppl say 35 is enough, taking into account ping and so on 42 above guarantees perma SS. Yeah, you could also achieve 4.15 with it which is a +. I don't see this build lasting for too long as im def certain perma SS will get a nerf. BL i can't do..... the lag.... is horrid. Also, I'm def certain they're using macro for smokescreen. Just look at the timing their spamming SS. It's perfect. You can't hit SS before because it will offset double cooldown if you do so it has to be perfect or a milisecond after hence why i suspect that they are cheating to go perma.
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post Oct 16 2014, 03:26 PM

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Hmm why not krinder..since can perma SS.
just stand there and spam ss and sentry..
use brooding to gain HP while standing.

just my 2 cents..
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post Oct 16 2014, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(lksing78 @ Oct 16 2014, 03:26 PM)
Hmm why not krinder..since can perma SS.
just stand there and spam ss and sentry..
use brooding to gain HP while standing.

just my 2 cents..
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QUOTE(waklu @ Oct 16 2014, 04:17 PM)
hi abang  whistling.gif  whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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post Oct 16 2014, 04:36 PM

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Baru balik bertapa. Tiga ari di rantau orang.
Buka pc main D3..rama drop after 2 minutes of playing.

Hmmmm.. Back to bertapa again.
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post Oct 16 2014, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(Vorador @ Oct 16 2014, 12:37 PM)
My question is, I remember Zei's Vengeance is the distance between the mob and you/ your sentry.

That means if you place ur sentry and run to the edge of the screen, the sentry does not benefit much from this stone because it's not too far from the mob.

Please correct me if I'm wrong...  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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I also want to know
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post Oct 16 2014, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(lksing78 @ Oct 16 2014, 04:36 PM)
Baru balik bertapa. Tiga ari di rantau orang.
Buka pc main D3..rama drop after 2 minutes of playing.

Hmmmm.. Back to bertapa again.
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I give one LIKE on this.
Tonite i go back n try it. Looking for rama rama long time dy.
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QUOTE(wschan @ Oct 16 2014, 04:47 PM)
I also want to know
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Read from bnet forum, Nyan did a test for zei and the distance is measured between the mob and sentry... Not from the character ... It's basically not useful for polar sentry... But good for other sentry runes
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post Oct 16 2014, 06:27 PM

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4.15bp abit overrated imo

Unless BL lightning build
Unless godly gear
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post Oct 17 2014, 11:50 AM

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im using oculus ring to try 4.15 (1h)

during uber ok la, phew phew phew - elemental arrow shoot damn fast, so shiok
self cast to proc m4d

but dont think can survive in grift - sacrifice so much crit chance, damage ...
going back to etrayu 2.85 until GG gear drop!

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post Oct 17 2014, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(dolceping @ Oct 17 2014, 11:50 AM)
im using oculus ring to try 4.15 (1h)

during uber ok la, phew phew phew - elemental arrow shoot damn fast, so shiok
self cast to proc m4d

but dont think can survive in grift - sacrifice so much crit chance, damage ...
going back to etrayu 2.85 until GG gear drop!
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how much is ur critchance?
im running 4.15 with the helltrapper + meticulous-bolts with 57% CHC for GR35-40 is easy

for uber / T6 = use nat ring + 3k nat bow @ 4.15bp cold+fire CHC went to 64%
hahaha supsupsui Elites laugh.gif laugh.gif

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post Oct 17 2014, 02:13 PM

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Found online calculator:

the details is here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OlS...t#gid=501884343

and the calculator is here: http://diablo.mercwear.com/
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post Oct 17 2014, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Oct 17 2014, 02:13 PM)
Found online calculator:

the details is here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OlS...t#gid=501884343

and the calculator is here: http://diablo.mercwear.com/
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calculator does not include Ench buff hmm.gif

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