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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL & FLX Thread V64, Buy Hiriz better.

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davidke20
post Oct 17 2014, 06:06 PM

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Satisfying UP CAR TT experience laugh.gif
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post Oct 18 2014, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(bluesblock @ Oct 18 2014, 12:04 PM)
Am driving flx se 1.6 cvt. Im from Penang, work and live in Penang.

If any of you happen to drop by Penang, can belanja makan2
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Sorry to say, very little pinang kia drib GaGa and lurk around lowyat(I mean I know many pinang kia drib KIA lar, infact 1 of the very first customer got his K5 delivered was a pinang kia also). Used to have billy520 and lhwj lurk around, but billy no longer active in this thread. lhwj stays just beneath the apot, everyday smell jet blast veli siok, every since dapat lesen to work also very seldom lurk here liao. I, personally not from pinang, but dunno why I owiz rike to kacau pinang ciks ever since ayam haiskool boi. Even now married for years, still eberi year July will drop by Pinang with waifu go jalan² bili barang laugh.gif
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post Oct 18 2014, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(izwanz @ Oct 18 2014, 02:36 PM)
Can you recommend me a shop in Damansara/TTDI/PJ area?  blush.gif
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Go back Plotong SC, find out when is the last service(if you're still servicing at SC for the woranti). If not, read the ODOmeter. As soon as it reaches the nearest 5000km interval, then proceed with service. Sure tabuli lari. Reason? SL grade engine oil can easily stand 15,000km. So, even if you have accidentally skipped the 5k service, the next 5k interval is still within 10k region. Just so happened, you skipped service for 6 months already, nevermind your oil is still very well stand for another 5k. Don't get me wrong, ayam not encouraging people to service their car at 15k km, this is an extreme case. If sayang the car enough, and recall the last service already more then 3 months, might as well just go and change the engine oil.

Other major services, unless your car had passed 100k on the ODO, you better change the timing belt/CVT fluid and other major service as well. If not mistaken, your ride is quite new right? Red FLX SE kan?
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post Oct 18 2014, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(bluesblock @ Oct 18 2014, 02:50 PM)
Haha, penang kia likes honda & toyota more than potong GaGa. Anyway ill stick with my FLX, its reliable and fast for the short roads in Penang. Appreciate you guys can give me tips on the FLX upgrade. The area of concern is more towards car performance. Im not a fan of make-ups.

I guess before we start let me intro myself,

Name: Izzat (can call me JinJat)
Status: Single
Area of lepak: Bayan Baru
Job: Secret Agent
Reason of being in this thread: Looking for saga brothers and sifus

So I guess that settles the intro. Come to my concerns over my saga:-

Im planning to upgrade my saga to a better car to my liking, but, not without guidance from you guys whom I think the correct people to talk and discuss with. Ive made some sketches and draft for the journey of tuning/upgrading my saga into several stages. Might need your opinion before starting.

First stage:

Im thinking of making the handling better:
i) Tyres:
- Prospects - Bridgestone Potenza
                - Goodyear Eagle F1 D5
                - Michelin PP2

ii) Bars:
- Prospects - UR front and rear anti roll

iii) Suspensions:
- Prospect - (Need further research)

Second stage:

Speed? Ill prefer acceleration over top speed, but anything is welcome
i) Exhaust system:
- Prospects - (Any recommendations?)

ii) Air Intake:
- Prospects - (Recommendations?)

iii) Speed cut?

iv) Unichip:
- Should I?

v) Hard tuning and upgrade:
- Any recommendations? 4 throttle/turbo/supercharger/camshafts?

Third stage

Not crazy enough yet to plan third stage.

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i) Tyres:
Tayar murah lagi powah - Achilles ATR Sports
Tayar mahai - Mana² la

ii) Bars:
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Ini dari Shawie aku, GaGa didn't snap foto lately
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Still got side lower bars, rear c pillar brace that I never snap foto before

iii) Suspensions:
Sudah mantap

Second stage:
i) Exhaust system:
Tonnka 4-2-1 extractor
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Lain x penting, ini ade 5 kuda

ii) Air Intake:
Xpaya pakei. Go steal your gafren sexy legging, kasi balut totobodi dah

iii) Speed cut?
iv) Unichip:
Tabuli buat, use what to kontol ur CVT? yawn.gif 32bit IAFM+ kenot use piggybag also, due to ECU locked down. Nothing you can do about it, unless konvet jadi MT, masok halltech(baek trus tukak mivek)

v) Hard tuning and upgrade:
4 throttle/turbo/supercharger/camshafts smua tabuli yawn.gif
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post Oct 18 2014, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(zeone @ Oct 18 2014, 04:57 PM)
Hi Everyone! notworthy.gif

Juz2share...
Finally...my old gen Saga OCT mod applied2 my Gaga... tongue.gif

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Now 2see how effective this mod works in our Gaga... icon_rolleyes.gif
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Ini powah up 30hp notworthy.gif

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post Oct 19 2014, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(bluesblock @ Oct 18 2014, 07:36 PM)
Thx bro for ur dua kupang punya cerita.very nicely elaborated. By the way, that Tonka ext looks awesome. Stainless steel is it? How much install and where to find
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sleep.gif Sudah lah, jangan insult me plis sleep.gif My post worth more than 20cents, hence I never use "in my HUMBLE opinion" nor "my 2 cents". I'm a straight forward person, when I reply that means that's my opinion. If I'm so humble, I would have just shut the fuck up and not telling you anything about it. And if the answer only worth 2cents, seriously do you want to take it into consideration? So, thanks but no thanks for the "complement".

On the side note, TONNKA ade 2 jenis Kampro paip sotong 4-2-1. Mengikut dyno reading, yang paling powah mia bukan yg macam dalam gambar. Yang dalam gambar itu stainless steel, mahal, chantek. Ade satu lagi pakei paip besi punya hodoh tiade orang mau amik gambar. Itu murah ciket, tapi mengikut dyno result itu yang paling powah sebab ukuran panjang Y joint ketidaksamaan menjadikan piston 1 dan piston 4 mengekstrak ekzos lebih laju dari piston 3 dan piston 2. Bila piston 3 dan piston 2 buang ekzos, piston 1 dan piston 4 pulak diekstrak. Highend powah tak gitu powah macam 4-1 sotong, tapi siape bodoh hari² hentam top speed? yawn.gif

Product price range, usually 1k and above. Lokasi kat Melaka.

http://tonnka.com/

Klo hanya mau bling² stainless steel, not caring about performance, carik mane² kedai ekzos pon ade juai. Harga bih kuang 400~600 terpulang kpd jenama. Mahal pon WORKS boley dapat dalam RM600 klu tak silap aku yawn.gif Tp jgn harap powah up sgt lah.
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post Oct 19 2014, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(Cosef @ Oct 18 2014, 10:35 PM)
Was using Works Engineering replacement drop in air filter, air flow gooding and got extra roar sound when accelerate.

Anyway, did anyone compared K&N drop in vs Simota drop in air filter performance?
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Abang adik, both cause powah loss whistling.gif



Anyway, ayam using open pod whistling.gif
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post Oct 19 2014, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(Cosef @ Oct 19 2014, 11:14 AM)
In your opinion, what do you think?
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I just wanto hear some noise whistling.gif So, my opinion is OPEN POD icon_idea.gif



Dengar lah bunyik open pork wub.gif
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post Oct 19 2014, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(Cosef @ Oct 19 2014, 11:42 AM)
For me really a lot easier to drive lah, not placebo try to press more on throttle. Engine idle more stable also, just wonder is my stock air filter really clogged up easily or what, just about 1300km mileage only.

Anyway some graph comparison from other pipu here
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Then jiu ask me do huat? Tell jiu the truth, jiu kam tell me it's easy to drib. Ady said DYNO proven on GaGa(jiu're trying to tell me FT86 works, wtf). But regardless lar, I like open pork despite it loss powah is a fact proven on dyno yawn.gif But indeed, my butt dyno tells me otherwise wub.gif So I rather trust my butt lah. In the end ayam not driving on dyno machine everyday laugh.gif
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post Oct 19 2014, 12:10 PM

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post Oct 19 2014, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ Oct 19 2014, 03:31 PM)
Next Round go mag bring stock filter, works and knn and dyno
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I hope that's not replying to me. After found out drop in filter doesn't help, have sold the K&N, gave the Simota to kennywee92 ady. yawn.gif
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post Oct 19 2014, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(Cosef @ Oct 19 2014, 04:40 PM)
Aiyo, I ask your opinion you give me mighty car mod blue turd and liberty video, I give ft86 graph then kena said not gaga wtf.

I was mentioning drop in replacement filter not open pod also boss, and that 2010 Proton Saga BLM on speed run is compared about what de?
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That is my car. The picture posted earlier with stock, Simota & K&N filter line up, which is also mine. So, for SOME reason, I decided to sell off the K&N, also gave the Simota away... Which again I believe what I have to say is NOT what u wanna hear nod.gif So, have fun with the NOT placebo effect of yours.

Cheers
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post Oct 19 2014, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(Cosef @ Oct 19 2014, 05:31 PM)
Its okay bro  smile.gif

1 said not working
1 said working

Other gaga pipu? lai share sia your opinions and reviews.

Oh yea, how much would a dyno test cost currently? Saw old thread said was about RM80, any changes later on?
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MAG1C Senawang
RM80 referal price(normal RM100)
Atleast 3 x powah runs for MT
Or D run + L run + SAT run for CVT(which will worth more than 3x power run)
Test part lain kira

Or, if u wang chiber, wait for ericmaxman organais bulk run RM60 x 3 powah run in Subang USJ Garage Under 5
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post Oct 19 2014, 06:27 PM

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QUOTE(ckdenion @ Oct 19 2014, 06:05 PM)
open pork dyno proven loss hp on ur gaga...wad bout ur little red sawi?
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Either stock filter, or don't use filter at all yawn.gif But stock filter can make powah consistently, whereas no filter can get much differ even if u fart infront of the car the power output will get affected.
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post Oct 19 2014, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(Razsus @ Oct 19 2014, 06:02 PM)
Tonkka extractor  ohmy.gif  Mana ada jual ?  whistling.gif
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The last I called Tonnka, they refer me to R3, so I guess they no longer sell retail yawn.gif
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post Oct 19 2014, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(n3w @ Oct 19 2014, 07:00 PM)
I believe stock filter gives that results due to thorough testing for the specific model in the research dept. Outside drop in filter may just give good powah for certain models, nasib lor.
Over warranty di  brows.gif

No pics? hmm.gif
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Spot on. Stock engine were tested under close environment, the stock filter box was designated to isolate hot air and able to match stock ECU fuel mapping. Lower restriction of air filter does not necessarily mean POWER LOSS. However, under certain range of RPM, low restriction filter yield much better torque+power output than stock paper filter.

So it's true, under certain driving condition, BUTT DYNO did feel the right thing. For example when I'm using open pod, the car has a clear improvement on 3~5krpm range. Especially when you're driving at trunk road, infront is low speed vehicle around 70kph, you're in 4th gear 2.5krpm. You've decided to overtake, so you dropped to 3rd gear @ 4krpm, with a low restriction filter in place, as soon as you kick on the gas pedal you'll have the feeling of getting hit by a 30tons truck from behind kinda accelaration. Whereas, on stock paper filter you wouldn't get that, even on 3rd gear @ 4krpm, you'll still feel the car unable to overtake in time then dropped to 2nd gear, 6krpm @ 70kph. But then as soon as you engaged 2nd gear @ 6krpm, you realized you're very closed to the rev limiter and hesitated wouldn't know whether you can overtake the car infront safely doh.gif

Meanwhile, a drop in kinda low restriction filter posses the goodness of maintaining cool air intake function, as well as air buffering just like the stock paper filter. Other than high RPM range might result in LEAN(due to more air than ECU preset low fuel consumption settings), drop in filter makes much balance improvement on mid RPM than openpod.

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post Oct 19 2014, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(ckdenion @ Oct 19 2014, 07:01 PM)
hmm.gif anyway, appreciate the advice from u notworthy.gif
3 years 130k... mine only 85k...
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post Oct 20 2014, 12:34 AM

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QUOTE(Cosef @ Oct 19 2014, 10:50 PM)
Great info  rclxms.gif

Changed power band, looks like can aim the engine power band and tweak for different driving conditions using different air filter setting.

Macam ini:
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Itu bukan change of power band nod.gif Itu change engine nod.gif Most modern Renault engine has their intake right infront of the vehicle, whereas exhaust seated at the back nearer to firewall. There are several reasons, here I list a few easy and related concept:

1) Intake manifold may not be heated too much by the exhaust if seated right infront
2) Shorter range of intake funnel needed
3) Cold air intake made possible
4) Generally, exhaust catalytic converter should locate nearest to the exhaust manifold before exhaust fume gets rapidly cool down, in order to further convert the exhaust molecule. By moving the catcon nearer/under the firewall not only can cut cost from exhaust length, it made the engine greener. Let's not forget, majority of the exhaust pipe weight being channeled nearer to the cabin, hence centre of gravity of the vehicle greatly improved, so as handling.
5) Reduced wear & tear of electronics/engine components as exhaust manifold is now nowhere closer.

Your concept is right, GaGa poorly designed engine position has many room for improvement. By changing the way of intake/length of intake funnel/intake temperature can make significant improvement(or a big set back if things being done wrongly).
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post Oct 20 2014, 06:45 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 20 2014, 01:16 AM)
noticed despite the majority of modern day engine design being intake headers being in the front, the intake routes are still as long, if not longer than before so good amount of air buffer can be made and hence the high torque engine applications of modern day.

compared to older engines especially the good old lift mechanism days, horse power hasn't grown much, if any. heck some even has horse power reduced (in comparison anyways).
what's improved a lot is the response and torque/torque curves wink.gif
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Point taken, that boils back to GREEN fact, where engine were made to produce less horse power(top speed) whilst higher torque(better acceleration). But, the ever so clever drive by wire technique compensate(or shall I use compromise) on the "response" whistling.gif
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QUOTE(TitanRev @ Oct 20 2014, 09:53 AM)
David, just general thought since MCM has did 1. Maybe can do a MY version.
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Dude I already did, just that I did not document it in video format. Not only myself, another forum member, which recently changed job to become ZTH writer done the same whistling.gif Anyways, if you're about to do it, please lemme know. I can be your camera man nod.gif

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