brahmos is co-develop with russia and russian is buying some of it

it not really cutting edge, it just how it strike its target and the speed it travels with its versatility (air, navy and land variant)

If you are talking about P-700 which the brahmos is based upon, then it true russia and prc have some, brahmos is is just the further development of p-700 and so far only india and russia have with potential sales else where.

US? i dont think they have such missile in their list. US anti-ship missile is so outdated with their harpoon
They stil believe that their fighter jets will do the anti-ship role while Aegis ship will provide the required protection

read on p-700 or p-800

yj-12 is not a supersonic, just terminal stage

lrasm in development

so far i know of true supersonic anti-ship is p700, p800 and brahmos

This post has been edited by thpace: Sep 12 2014, 01:38 AM

the funny thing is, in the article it say radar jamming.

in that close range. Who need radar? It pure dogfight ad with visual sight. All depends on the pilot skills and fighter manoeuvring

brahmos is twice as fast with better target acquisition and defence system avoidance. It speculated that brahmos anti-ship variant which based on p700 also have the same swarm attack capability integrated in it. Meaning it also for saturation attack and not a single missile only will be launch during actual operation

what set it apart again is its speed. While maybe modern ciws or modern point defence system can counter mach 1-2 missiles. It still take few critical second from identification to interception. So if you have a faster missiles like mach 4-5, the defence system have to work twice as fast to counter the threat. In hope that during saturation attack, the defence system only may counter maybe one or two while missing the rest.

Of course, in video publish you only see one missiles launch, because no point doing saturation attack on stationary harmless training target. Missiles mahal and not cheap to fire But like the falkland war, normally more than one antiship missiles will be launched for a single target to increase the probability of it actually hitting

i doubt malaysia navy want to stock up china missiles. india Brahmos or russian or europe equivalent would be the preference. It was considered for our kedah class but with typical what the armed forces want, armed forces wont get

read previous article i posted

can be installed no problem on meko 100 class ship. Plus, it most likely same style like the external inclined launch tube instead of vls. Basically, turning out kedah class as missile boat

what i mean that, it can take the place on ship intended for exocet or others

similarly, it a plug n play system or fancy name module



http://www.klsreview.com/HTML/2009Jan_Jun/20090608_06.html

This post has been edited by thpace: Sep 12 2014, 11:42 AM

VLS too small

brahmos VLS is too long for a small ship like kedah class, inclined would be a better option like the indian navy did. Maintenance and installation would be much easier as well

1) Yes most likely but depends. 15ton for marine grade vessel especially military one is not very heavy. Kashtan CIWS is even heavier But seeing Kedah class available space and current configuration on indian navy, 4 missile tubes would be the max, each 2 facing port and starboard side. The space for VLS front of the deck most likely again will be reserved for defence system installation

2) structure wise again depends where the navy want to put them. if VLS, then have to cut a hole on the hull. In external, just place it in line with structure with a few minor reinforcements. Not that difficult for a ship, just a few extra added metal on critical support structure. Military ship are constructed using higher strength steel unlike civilian plus kedah class module system, most likely supported

3) depending on the drought. 22 knot is not technically its max speed. Max speed is top secret 22knot you can call it cruising speed, for a cutter hull design ship, higher cruising speed is need for more fuel economy according to my fren from ALAM apparently to raise the hull above water

4) No, ship work in a diff way, the engine and propeller will provide a constant push. what drag a ship or slow a ship down is the surface area or drought in contact with water. The more, the more friction. The less, the faster it goes. That why i say, if the drought does not drop much, the speed wont be affected significantly. Besides that, the marine grade diesel engine can go 110 or 120% continuously is needed

5) This i cant answer you. 1st, I dunno the specific details. But since it come with a sealed missile canister, i assume it does not need much power. But depending on the target acquisition system. Not sure if need a new system or can piggy back on existing one.

Neh, when you want something, the service provider will do everything for you including where to place bla bla. You just have to pay them like how you want to customised your car. BTW, it just speculation no need to get so serious, the brahmos news was during DSA 2010. By then even the navy may have changed their mind

This post has been edited by thpace: Sep 12 2014, 02:35 PM

if follow your mind, mean australia which used to base at penang air force base considered invaded us ad lah?


too close, others can take it as direct confrontation BTW southern philipenes is like a lawless area, i doubt US want their expensive planes there

Malaysia is still better, relatively safe, neutral and not too far not too close


I think the top minister sure pening kepala one, we ad got a quite good relation to china and this US official go buka mulut tempayan

dah tembak?

Suddenly so active this threaf when US want to park their p8 here.

Not bad.. free 1 million every day.

Well, we have long accepted when us military planes if they want to land at our airport. No big deals subang and sungai besi can see most of the time

I think p8 have also landed here enroute to australia or from japan. Same also, just now the news is out, US maybe just want a maintenance and housing facility for their plane and not a full base.

Ni semua macam cakap a full us air base. MALAYSIA also want to play it right so allowing a full base might pull china nerves, if just a hanger then can say just a refuelling facilities

Btw i was thinking they target labuan because of existing facilities thre

This post has been edited by thpace: Sep 18 2014, 05:58 PM

wait we get our viper, then we maybe can get

yup a few page ago. i think LTZ mention it

not really interesting as this year theme is more of disaster management

US punya striker

will piggyback on UK


the camo scheme is a give away

it supposed to be nuclear armed, so it does not matter if it hit its target or not as long within the blast radius

Not full base, maybe just a special hanger for them to park. Malaysia wont want to upset china by offering a ful base

We get alot of offers from them just we no money.
Ldp, viper, apache, f18, possible amphibious equipment, patrol ship and aircraft

Saab will offer anything to sell their gripen especially new ones.

Because we dont really interested in plane tot as far i know we are not in any active plane development programme. We wanted more for maritime tot and land tot.

I was told by one army official. Most important is navy because we lack of ships. Second is land because our equipment on land are old and outdated. Air force is third because currently they have the latest equipments in term if age.

Get from japan better since they are willing to sell out their military equipment

But the price tag hampar

NGPV got so many problem that the gomen have to step in to bail out.

It was suppose to help our ship building industry especially navy but in end so much problem that even gomen cancelled it.

gundam level price but Japan are willing to offer good loan repayment like all their foreign projects

like what he say you pay for gundam, you get gundam, no nonsense attached

unlike US,

western version of anti-ship warfare is from ww2, plane or figther will play the primary anti-ship role. The reason for the short range is missiles will be fired in visual range of the fighter or with radar guidance. Falkland war clearly demonstrated that fighter jet still can play a very relevance role in anti-ship mission

western US in particular, they can do this, well because they have plenty of aircraft that can fly around and a huge carrier fleet

eastern block however, lacks the aircraft and carrier to follow this doctrine. Hence, heavy reliance on self guidance or semi-guidance anti-ship missile to do the task plus to replace the lack of aircraft, missile boats is created

no comment

very unlikely will happen.



This post has been edited by thpace: Sep 20 2014, 02:50 AM