QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 6 2014, 11:36 PM)
compared to the japan type 10 which also japan declare themselves 4th gen.. almost same capabilities
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 6 2014, 11:55 PM) yes, i know ..... they have some 4gen feature, but overall industry say not full 4 Gen standard yet. it may suite korea/japan geographic/ environment/ weather. sold to turkey ad? too advance also it give more hard to sell oversea market. seems market still not accept this advance type MBT . maybe few year later. country more advance stage than army will accept it. the turret design will be diff only but the auto loader mechanism and the hull will based on the K2. The only real major problem with the K2 compared to the type 10 would be it powerpack and transmission. Underpowered and unreliable That why, Turkey was interested in the type 10 powerpack but Japan say dont want |
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Sep 7 2014, 12:11 AM
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 7 2014, 12:04 AM) M1A3 coming out soon. US say is gen 3++/4th, then we can do better comparisonTurbine engine suspected is to replaced with standard diesel (guess US canot tahan makan minyak like hell ad) and possible return of the autoloader reducing crew to 3 man |
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 7 2014, 12:25 AM) actually for MBT turbine engine more high fuel consumption than diesel engine, M1A1 Turbine engine fuel consumtion 380L/100km vs Leopard 2A just around 230L/100km. the turbine T-80 was hated by the russian due to poor on site maintenance capabilities and kuat makan minyak, in end they swap for traditional diesel but turbine have alot advantage, it get full engine power after turbine engine start, just like jet engine, good for acceleration and speed, disadvantage is more complex maintenance,high fuel consumption,hot engine, also low lifespan for Turbine engine。 but diesel engine just get full power at max rpm. in low speed, diesel engine get better fuel consumption. it all about cost. us not border fuel cost. US also canot afford ad, there on budget report back in 2012 iinm saying reduce on board time on M1 during training to lower fuel consumption. That why, get more tank simulator to replace real training |
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 8 2014, 12:07 PM) Probably quite useful for trolling Japanese & ROC air defense systems. Some calls to the Pentagon would be made before the confusion could be cleared up. patriot is an outdated system.. Israel are the ones that pointed out weakness to US. In fact, i wont be surprise, china get to know its weakness from Israel. Even not, there always their cyber-hacking team to snoop around American sensitive information Wouldn't surprise me though if China already have a good understanding on Apache capabilities, history shows some secret deals were made with certain countries. Notable was with Israel in the past regarding Israel selling some sensitive data including Patriot missile technology to China. I seem to recall last year Finnish authorities seized a British-flagged ship bound for Shanghai which had a hidden load of 69 Patriot missiles. But then again, it not surprising. China have also been speculated to sell secret to US via Israel, russian weapon secret especially ones that was co-developed between china and russia |
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QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 8 2014, 05:19 PM) Guys do u all think buying kora class corvette from india is gd idea?? basically an enlarged version of vietnam molniya missile spam boat, 16 kh35 missile with 130km range, if conflict rly happen i think like 12 of these missile spam corvettes would be more scary than 6 sgpvs, and wikipedia say each ship 40million usd(wtf) but i think that is outdated prices and may or may not include weapons. and its indian, indian relationship w china not that good i think. so, gud idea?? get Brahmos, there news news Indian is in talk with asean country including malaysia on potential Brahmos sale Most likely the air launch variant since our MKM and MKI is almost similar and can be equid with little or not effort This news was back in 2010, i dunno the plan is still on. Once Kedah class is armed with brahmos, we will have our anti-ship frigate excoet is subsonic antiship, brahmos is supersonic. It nice to have diff combination of anti-ship system QUOTE The missile stole center stage at Malaysia's Defense Services Asia exhibition, with high-profile potential customers including South Africa, Egypt, Oman, Brunei and other African and Middle Eastern countries. Defense Talk reported this month that India was considering exporting the BrahMos to Chile, Brazil, South Africa and Indonesia. The keenest interest, however, has come from Malaysia, which is looking for a new weapons system to fit its Meko A100 Kedah class ships. Source Here another one why can be done QUOTE BrahMos’s Market Promotion General Manager, Praveen Pathak, told KLS’s journalist that BrahMos has already been doing assessment on ship body of Meko 100. The result is BrahMos is suitable to be installed on it. Currently, the Indian Navy has installed BrahMos on her naval ship with inclined launch style which is different from western style. Whether BrahMos could be installed in crossover style, Praveen Pathak answered that it is certainly no problem! He said BrahMos has already done an assessment on it that there is no problem to develop crossover style launcher, BrahMos can be designed and integrated according to customer requirement. But, the problem now is Malaysian government hasn’t made any official requirement to install missile on NGPV. BrahMos is a multipurpose supersonic anti-ship missile and suitable be installed on 500 ton, 1000 ton and 2000 ton above warships. There is no problem to integrate BrahMos into western standard ship. But, 500 ton missile fast attack boat is not suitable to install vertical launch BrahMos system. Source |
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QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 8 2014, 07:30 PM) I think it would be better to have strategic partner like india more than pakistan bcos afterall india gonna be 3rd largest economy and much more weapons systems, plus ive always thought we were closer to india than pakistan that roles is most likely be turkey we are closer to turkey compared to pakistan and india |
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QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 8 2014, 08:05 PM) tat why turkey all joint venturetheir tanks with korea, K2 Black Panther AV8 and adnan is also join venture between turkey and FNSS even SAM either china or russia This post has been edited by thpace: Sep 8 2014, 08:34 PM |
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QUOTE(azriel @ Sep 8 2014, 09:26 PM) I don't think the K2 Black Panther is a JV between SK & Turkey. On the contrary the Turkish new Altay MBT is based from the K2 Black Panther. I saying JV as in joint development and purchase. The K2 is still not fully ready yet but field initial low production to satisfy public opinion iinm, their tank will be based on the K2 such as the hull and loader mechanism including parts of the fire control system the turret will be indigenously designed including guns (Most likely licensed produced Rheinmetall L55 similar to the one on K2) turkey was interested with the TYPE 10 engine pack but Japan does not want to export it. The original K2 engine pack still having transmission issues plus unreliable. Therefore, they still have to relies on germans MTU QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 8 2014, 09:30 PM) more of what we can do defend ourself if they send their forces come here |
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EVO-105 Self Propelled 105mm howitzer maybe Malaysia can start by this since we got many 105mm gun and HICOM 5 tan trucks Just the fire control and communication system mayb need outside purchase |
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QUOTE(patt_sue @ Sep 9 2014, 10:41 PM) CNO: Malaysia Offers U.S. P-8 Detachment Site Most likely KK airport By RICHARD R. BURGESS, Managing Editor ARLINGTON, Va. — Malaysia has offered the use of a base in East Malaysia on the island of Borneo to the United States as a site for detachments of Navy P-8A Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft. Speaking Sept. 8 about the Asia-Pacific strategic rebalance to an audience at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington, Chief of Naval Operations (CNO) ADM Jonathan W. Greenert said that “recently, the Malaysians have offered us to fly detachments of P-8s out of East Malaysia. You can see the closeness to the South China Sea. So we have opportunities and we ought to continue to nurture them.” A staging site in East Malaysia would enable the Navy’s maritime patrol aircraft easier access for operating over the South China Sea and shipping lanes such as the Strait of Malacca and the Sunda Strait, through which much of the world’s commerce passes. Malaysia allowed Navy P-8A and P-3C aircraft to operate from West Malaysia during the search for Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 that disappeared on March 8. The Malaysian government expressed appreciation to the United States for its response. The South China Sea has been a region of increased tensions in recent years because of competing claims over islands and shoals where mineral resources may exist and because of the Chinese naval build-up, particularly the submarine base on Hainan. There have been several incidents at sea involving Chinese coast guard ships and U.S. Navy warships and ocean surveillance ships and aircraft in international waters off China. The most recent involved a Chinese J-11 fighter flying dangerously close to a U.S. Navy P-8A over the South China Sea in late August. http://www.seapowermagazine.org/stories/20...campaign=buffer since tat the closest to South china sea and alot of US militray aircraft have landed there before |
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Sep 10 2014, 10:23 AM) Needs a major modification to the mkm fuselage to carry these big guns, their mki modified by the hal india that the full size variant if i not mistaken![]() anyway, brahmos was one of the proposed missile system to arm our kedah class QUOTE The missile stole center stage at Malaysia's Defense Services Asia exhibition, with high-profile potential customers including South Africa, Egypt, Oman, Brunei and other African and Middle Eastern countries. Defense Talk reported this month that India was considering exporting the BrahMos to Chile, Brazil, South Africa and Indonesia. The keenest interest, however, has come from Malaysia, which is looking for a new weapons system to fit its Meko A100 Kedah class ships. source QUOTE BrahMos’s Market Promotion General Manager, Praveen Pathak, told KLS’s journalist that BrahMos has already been doing assessment on ship body of Meko 100. The result is BrahMos is suitable to be installed on it. Currently, the Indian Navy has installed BrahMos on her naval ship with inclined launch style which is different from western style. Whether BrahMos could be installed in crossover style, Praveen Pathak answered that it is certainly no problem! He said BrahMos has already done an assessment on it that there is no problem to develop crossover style launcher, BrahMos can be designed and integrated according to customer requirement. But, the problem now is Malaysian government hasn’t made any official requirement to install missile on NGPV. BrahMos is a multipurpose supersonic anti-ship missile and suitable be installed on 500 ton, 1000 ton and 2000 ton above warships. There is no problem to integrate BrahMos into western standard ship. But, 500 ton missile fast attack boat is not suitable to install vertical launch BrahMos system. http://www.klsreview.com/HTML/2009Jan_Jun/20090608_06.html |
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Sep 10 2014, 10:19 PM) Not just shipping container. once approaching target, then will sprint run supersonic in the final stage.. Tat oni give a very short amount of time for the ship defence system to response to the threat it can be anywhere on train on lorry or on some random location. it can be use as anti ship missile, or cruise missile. top speed iinm mach2.9. Not far from brahmos top speed. while brahmos is supersonic all the time with with some added feature to trick or avoid the ship defense system |
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QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 10 2014, 11:38 PM) i thot i saw b4 on some official looking website say military equipment cannot disguise as civilian or smth??? and brahmos warhead i think a lot more big than klub if i not wrong canot red cross or enemy insigniaor any other civilian logo but when war, anything goes |
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 11 2014, 12:26 AM) Multipurpose cruise missile maybe impressive,but surely they cost a lot more than purpose-built anti-ship missiles due to the more advanced on-board computers and guidance systems and whatnot. With Malaysian government's notorious penny-pinching when buying defense assets,a smaller arsenal being a trade-off of a few advanced missiles is not a good deal. that why ppl that have it does not want to be known to have it right?Also someone made a good point,can you legally disguise the transport & deployment of weapons as civilian stuff? I thought all military weapons needs to be marked as such? Probably on some Geneva convention clause or somewhere? I suppose you can play with technicalities,like disguising a missile launcher truck as a normal military transport truck,but I feel launching missiles from a civilian looking shipping container breaks some international law somewhere. This post has been edited by thpace: Sep 11 2014, 12:34 AM |
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