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KYPMbangi
post Nov 15 2014, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Nov 15 2014, 02:54 PM)
At least the story is true. Reminds me of the furor in Indonesia last year when somebody (falsely) reported that Malaysia was hiring hundreds of Indonesians as mercenaries in Wataniah regiments in Borneo border areas.
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Then again, if they got indonesian pr's in ns, how about msian in their security forces? I know cisco aux police is mostly msian
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post Nov 15 2014, 05:10 PM

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FB is getting fiery lately now that Russia disclosed its proof showing satellite image of Ukrainian jets nearby MH17
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but exact info what jets shot MH17 down is still vague tho..the pic above shows wing shape like Su-27..but there are articles on the internet that said Su-25 Frogfoot is responsible for the shooting..u guys belip Russia or Ukraine? hmm.gif
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post Nov 15 2014, 05:22 PM

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i dont even know satellites can take images like that .how times have changed
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post Nov 15 2014, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(heavyduty @ Nov 15 2014, 05:22 PM)
i dont even know satellites can take images like that .how times have changed
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thats my first thought too lol biggrin.gif
but seriously, what are the odds their satellite orbit on the right spot (both latitude and longitude), at the exact time that plane shot down? blink.gif
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post Nov 15 2014, 07:19 PM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Nov 15 2014, 05:27 PM)
thats my first thought too lol  biggrin.gif
but seriously, what are the odds their satellite orbit on the right spot (both latitude and longitude), at the exact time that plane shot down?  blink.gif
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Well, the area in question is indeed in the middle of a hot zone contested between Ukraine gov & rebels, so it's not outside the realm of possibility Russia has a recon satellite in the general area to assess any movements between both sides sides for intel support to rebels. From that high up and with modern electro-optical gear, the recon sat can probably take pics/videos of hundreds of square km of the area at once, and just so happen the MH17 incident happened on that area.

But that's just me la biggrin.gif
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post Nov 15 2014, 07:55 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Nov 15 2014, 07:19 PM)
Well, the area in question is indeed in the middle of a hot zone contested between Ukraine gov & rebels, so it's not outside the realm of possibility Russia has a recon satellite in the general area to assess any movements between both sides sides for intel support to rebels. From that high up and with modern electro-optical gear, the recon sat can probably take pics/videos of hundreds of square km of the area at once, and just so happen the MH17 incident happened on that area.

But that's just me la biggrin.gif
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judging from the sat pic (if it is not fake), surely the pilot able to distinguish whether it's a civil plane or military from that distance won't he..?
at the very least, i'm very sure the pilot would know it's a big plane from that distance..big but alone plane..seemingly harmless..and iinm SOP for fighter pilots is they would close in and check the 'bogie' for further clarification aren't they?
which bring us to the question, assuming the pic is valid, why would the pilot shoot it down? blink.gif

but i rather believe the rebels shoot it down as it's more logical.. coz maybe they're trained to just track and shoot targets..not trained to identify whether the target is friend or foe..also, i'm sure u guys remember the recordings of phone calls about some rebels talking about "shot down an airliner" which went viral few days after the incident..
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Nov 15 2014, 05:10 PM)
FB is getting fiery lately now that Russia disclosed its proof showing satellite image of Ukrainian jets nearby MH17
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but exact info what jets shot MH17 down is still vague tho..the pic above shows wing shape like Su-27..but there are articles on the internet that said Su-25 Frogfoot is responsible for the shooting..u guys belip Russia or Ukraine?  hmm.gif
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post Nov 15 2014, 08:29 PM

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i belip rusia....
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post Nov 15 2014, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Nov 15 2014, 07:55 PM)
judging from the sat pic (if it is not fake), surely the pilot able to distinguish whether it's a civil plane or military from that distance won't he..?
at the very least, i'm very sure the pilot would know it's a big plane from that distance..big but alone plane..seemingly harmless..and iinm SOP for fighter pilots is they would close in and check the 'bogie' for further clarification aren't they?
which bring us to the question, assuming the pic is valid, why would the pilot shoot it down?  blink.gif

but i rather believe the rebels shoot it down as it's more logical.. coz maybe they're trained to just track and shoot targets..not trained to identify whether the target is friend or foe..also, i'm sure u guys remember the recordings of phone calls about some rebels talking about "shot down an airliner" which went viral few days after the incident..
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Ukraine need nato support, nato members need good excuse to send army. Murica needs more country to support sanction against Russia. This is whyi like to know the conversation between Ukraine ATC n the pilot which is still disclosed until today. The mh 17 on route on that day is also different compare to days ago if u really follow the news from different media sources.

Somesaid putin plane just passed that area.

Many reasons why the pilot need to down it, if yr mind is willing to accept who politician is all looking for own benefits, life onboard.... who care.

So, we dont know what exactly happen, who shot it down. anyway, this is military thread don wish to further.
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post Nov 15 2014, 09:26 PM

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A fighter plane has crashed-landed near Chengdu, most probably a J-10B test plane. Pilot ejected successfully and is safe.

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At least we know the ejection seat works tongue.gif

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'Jinghai' Unmanned Surface Vehicle developed especially for Chinese Coast Guard
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post Nov 15 2014, 09:57 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Nov 15 2014, 09:26 PM)
A fighter plane has crashed-landed near Chengdu, most probably a J-10B test plane. Pilot ejected successfully and is safe.

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At least we know the ejection seat works tongue.gif
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plane crashed into a fountain instead of surrounding buildings
skillful pilot or just lucky? biggrin.gif

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At Euronaval 2014, DCNS is unveiling major innovations in three key areas – improved submerged endurance, enhanced surface intelligence gathering, and deployment of unmanned underwater vehicles – to improve the performance and safety of conventional-propulsion submarines. All these new developments illustrate the unique expertise and innovative potential of DCNS teams.
Three technologies to improve submerged endurance

To meet demand from customers for improved submerged endurance of conventional-propulsion submarines (SSKs), DCNS now offers dedicated hull sections known as Autonomy Boosting Sections.

Whereas SSKs typically have a submerged endurance of about three days, DCNS now proposes three new technologies to extend this critical parameter to three weeks.

The first is a hull plug equipped with new-generation high-capacity lithium-ion batteries. Easy to operate, the technology offers high submerged speeds on demand and improved response to power ramp-up and variations. Lithium-ion batteries can also be recharged at sea. The endurance of a Scorpene-type submarine is increased to seven days resulting in a significantly enhanced tactical capability.

The second solution, the Mesma air-independent propulsion (AIP) system, is packaged as a compact dedicated hull section. Mesma’s steam turbine-based technology uses a fuel that is readily available in ports and is ideal for extending an SSK’s endurance at patrol speeds. The sea-proven Mesma system increases the submerged endurance of a Scorpene-type submarine to two weeks.

The third solution, a second-generation fuel-cell AIP, represents a technological breakthrough compared to current-generation AIPs in terms of performance, safety, flexibility and maintenance.

This solution combines several key DCNS innovations in fuel cell technology. Hydrogen is produced from diesel fuel by hydrocarbon reforming as required, overcoming the need to store hydrogen on board the submarine.

This revolutionary technology increases submerged endurance to three weeks; a capability that confers a decisive advantage in certain theatres of operations




LTZ, look like DCNS come out with special add-on hull for their array of AIP for scropene brows.gif brows.gif

Didnt know it can launch mica as well thumbup.gif



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QUOTE(thpace @ Nov 16 2014, 03:27 AM)


LTZ, look like DCNS come out with special add-on hull for their array of AIP for scropene  brows.gif  brows.gif

Didnt know it can launch mica as well thumbup.gif


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how the sub scans for air target?
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post Nov 16 2014, 04:47 AM

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QUOTE(mi-g @ Nov 16 2014, 04:38 AM)
how the sub scans for air target?
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From the video it just uses the heli sonar emitter as target vector, not the heli itself
Kill stage depends, current mica missile has 2 version of seeker, IR homing and radar homing
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QUOTE(mi-g @ Nov 16 2014, 04:38 AM)
how the sub scans for air target?
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Most likely after launch, the missile will find its own target. MICA is fire and forget capable plus its short range meaning the target is within close proximity from the detected sub.

Anyway, Dcns also introduced a new periscope depth buoy capable with with array of sensors even with 360 cameratv/ir

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The Vipère® multifunction buoy offers periscope performance without having to come up to periscope depth. Vipère® enhances a submarine’s intelligence-gathering capability while remaining deeply submerged and without compromising discretion. Data gathered by the sensor payload is relayed in real time to the host submarine. Depending on operational needs, the buoy’s payload can also include communications equipment, a satellite positioning system to reset inertial platforms, electronic warfare systems such as a radar warning receiver, or an electro-optical package with a TV/IR camera to visually monitor an area of interest.camera


Maybe a limited capable radar to search low level air craft like an asw heli


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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Nov 15 2014, 09:57 PM)
plane crashed into a fountain instead of surrounding buildings
skillful pilot or just lucky?  biggrin.gif
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is Yellow J-10B RnD testing jet lost control jet after take off in chengdu Aircraft corp run way. the chengdu aircraft corp very close to chengdu town.
news said 5 people injury.

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BeiDou system to set ASEAN Data and service center in Malaysia - Daily CNSS - | China Shipping Service
Nov 11, 2014

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Malaysian Investment Development Authority director-general Datuk Azman visited Wuhan Optics Valley Beidou Holding Group CO., LTD (Optics Valley BeiDou)on November 10, and the two sides reached agreement of setting Beidou ASEAN Data and service center in Malaysia.

This service center can provide services and products to various industries and fields such as disaster warning,vehicle navigation,precision farming,maritime search and rescue, intelligent port, mineral security and intelligent transportation in entire ASEAN region.

Optics Valley BeiDou is a platform for China's national spatial information industry to export technologies and to provide technological assistance to other countries and regions.

Experts from Wuhan Academy of Social Science said that the cooperation between Beidou and Malaysia is expected to further speed up the expansion of the application of BeiDou System in ASEAN region and also to contribute to serve the strategy of “One Belt and One Road”.

Furthermore, Optics Valley BeiDou is also actively expanding the cooperation with countries such as Mexico, Russia, Brunei,Cambodia, Sri Lanka and so on.



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post Nov 16 2014, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Nov 16 2014, 02:09 PM)
Imagine if some navy decided to use all of it biggrin.gif 1 and a half month endurance
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news said DCNS already propose Sub launch Mica to RMN..... no modification need.
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QUOTE(junchuan @ Nov 16 2014, 02:09 PM)
Imagine if some navy decided to use all of it biggrin.gif 1 and a half month endurance
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According to ltz, ours can last between 1 to 2 week since ours does not have aip system

Plus need to cut hull to add new section.

Maybe can add li-ion battery and fuel cell. Again, navy mana ada duit haha

QUOTE(waja2000 @ Nov 16 2014, 02:15 PM)
news said DCNS already propose Sub launch Mica to RMN..... no modification need.
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Guess can be done if navy want haha.

If can lauch excocet, mica should no be a problem


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