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waja2000
post Nov 16 2014, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Nov 16 2014, 02:46 PM)
According to ltz, ours can last between 1 to 2 week since ours does not have aip system

Plus need to cut hull to add new section.

Maybe can add li-ion battery and fuel cell. Again, navy mana ada duit  haha
Guess can be done if navy want haha.

If can lauch excocet, mica should no be a problem
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website always said Diesel Submarine no AIP only can submerge for 3~4 days.
with AIP traditional system can submerge 4kt for 1 week,
new one AIP with Fuel cell can submerge for 2~3 week at 4kt.
latest AIP with Li-ion batteries can archive 14 knot for 2 week due to huge electric performances by Li-ion batteries. good for mission and escape form mission.
DCNS traditional MESMA AIP is not the good AIP system. so for our future Submarine should go direction for future DCNS Li-ion AIP system
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Nov 16 2014, 03:58 PM)
website always said Diesel Submarine no AIP only can submerge for 3~4 days. 
with AIP traditional system can submerge 4kt for 1 week,
new one AIP with Fuel cell can submerge for 2~3 week at 4kt.
latest AIP with Li-ion batteries can archive 14 knot  for 2 week due to huge electric performances by Li-ion batteries. good for mission and escape form mission.
DCNS traditional MESMA AIP is not the good AIP system.  so for our future Submarine should go direction for future DCNS Li-ion AIP system
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Would prefer fuel cell.. that the future and thejr efficiency is increasing

Li-ion battery is dated technology. Most sub would replace their existing lead acid to li-ion battery and fuel cell
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post Nov 16 2014, 06:07 PM

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4 Jun 1944 kelasi kapal berbangsa Melayu sedang berbaris hormat sebelum operasi penawanan pantai Normandy D-Day persisiran pantai Perancis


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post Nov 16 2014, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Nov 16 2014, 06:07 PM)
4 Jun 1944 kelasi kapal berbangsa Melayu sedang berbaris hormat sebelum operasi penawanan pantai Normandy D-Day persisiran pantai Perancis
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This is Flores class gunboats from the dutch navy, the "malay" crew is actually indonesian
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post Nov 16 2014, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Nov 16 2014, 06:07 PM)
4 Jun 1944 kelasi kapal berbangsa Melayu sedang berbaris hormat sebelum operasi penawanan pantai Normandy D-Day persisiran pantai Perancis
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it was a dutch ship. the seamen could be indonesian

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post Nov 16 2014, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Nov 16 2014, 06:07 PM)
4 Jun 1944 kelasi kapal berbangsa Melayu sedang berbaris hormat sebelum operasi penawanan pantai Normandy D-Day persisiran pantai Perancis
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post Nov 16 2014, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Nov 16 2014, 06:23 PM)
This is Flores class gunboats from the dutch navy, the "malay" crew is actually indonesian
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Yes...named after the Island of Flores in Nusa Tenggara Timur

During the Independence War....many of them form the nucleus of BKR Laut.....the forerunner of TNI-AL

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post Nov 16 2014, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Nov 16 2014, 04:16 PM)
Would prefer fuel cell.. that the future and thejr efficiency is increasing

Li-ion battery is dated technology. Most sub would replace their existing  lead acid to li-ion battery and fuel cell
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actually not, depend how you look, Li-ion it self is not new technology, used in high-safety required asset is rarely, due to Li-ion is more danger because it can explosion like cell phone batteries, so use in commercial jet, submarine is very new, Manufacturer need completely Rnd in Li-ion safety before in use. just like B787 Li-ion issue. but at good think Li-ion easily can get 8-10x more electric power so can get high speed fo sub, and less complex than fuel cell. anyway cost of Li-ion batteries is 4+- time more cost than lead acid batteries.

lead acid still main used in submarine due to safety, and can't simply replace to Li-ion.
Fuel cell already used pas few year in submarine and now seem move to 2nd generation, anyway Fuel cell still take more time to improve. went uyour see video, u also notice Fuel cell also used liquid Oxygen also can explosion so need to need maintenance properly,

Li-ion just recently finish develop should be start used in sub for next 3 year. so far i know no sub use yet. in Video DCNS also just finish RnD on Li-ion batteries.
like Japan Soryu class submarine will also use Li-ion for next construction.

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post Nov 17 2014, 08:34 AM

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PLA Navy formally commissions Type 056 Corvette number 19, christened 'Sanmenxia'

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The Sanmenxia on its commissioning ceremony

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Naval officers and representatives of the city of Sanmenxia in attendance during the commissioning ceremony

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Naval officers and representatives of the city of Sanmenxia is given a tour of the Sanmenxia after its commissioning ceremony

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The bronze sculpture to be installed on board the Sanmenxia, as a gift from the city to the ship bearing its name

The PLA Navy has formally commissioned the 19th production ship of the Type 056 Corvette christened 'Sanmenxia' (pennant number 593). It is one of the Type 056A ASW variant corvettes, optimized for ASW operations.

The commissioning ceremony was conducted on 13.11.2014 at a naval facility at Zhoushan province. Guests include the Mayor and representatives of the city of Sanmenxia, who was present to hand over and commemorate a bronze sculpture representing the city to be installed on the ship.

The Sanmenxia will be joining the East Sea Fleet and be based at Ningbo Naval headquarters, Zhejiang province.

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Aiya just use mesma aip, simple and decent capability biggrin.gif
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mesma AIP is worst AIP system among different AIP system from Germany and Sweden ... same review said almost failed AIP design system.
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Pro-Russian separatist militias increase use of heavy artillery to offset disadvantages over government forces

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A 152mm 2A65 heavy artillery used by pro-Russian militias to shell Ukrainian positions near Debaltseve, eastern Ukraine

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As Russian-backed separatists in Ukraine dig in for a long war, they’re relying more and more on heavy artillery to match Kiev’s army.

Howitzers are nothing new to the conflict, and the drumbeat of artillery explosions has become part of eastern Ukraine’s ambient soundscape.

But within the past few days, the rebels have received a lot more of the big guns—and most likely from Russia.

Videos uploaded to social media showed one convoy near the town of Snizhne—near the Russian border—consisting of nearly 40 unmarked Kamaz military trucks hauling 18 towed artillery pieces. Owing to their size, ballistic shields and wheels, the guns resemble 2A65 Msta-B howitzers.

These 152-millimeter guns are some of the biggest in the Russian inventory, and have more than double the range of the separatists’ 122-millimeter D-30 guns. The Associated Press spotted a similar convoy in Snizhne.

Several of the vehicles resemble support and radio trucks, because of their conspicuous shielded exteriors used to block electromagnetic interference.

The convoy included a single unarmed BTR-80—likely a command or forward observer vehicle for the artillery. This makes the convoy roughly the size of a Russian artillery battalion.

On the same day, monitors from Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe witnessed the same convoy in Makeevka—on the road from Snizhne—headed west toward Donetsk. But the OSCE described the convoy as having smaller 122-millimeter guns, an OSCE spot report noted.

Either way, that’s a lot of guns, and just one of three convoys on the move in Ukraine on Nov. 8. The others included tanks—in a sign of even more heavy weapons pouring into the conflict.

The guns might give the separatists enough firepower to dislodge Ukrainian troops holding the strategic Donetsk Sergey Prokofiev International Airport just outside the city. If the rebels are trying to establish a breakaway state based in Donetsk, they need that airport.

Sunday morning marked some of the heaviest fighting in Ukraine in a month, with the worst centered around the airport, according to the Wall Street Journal. Ukrainian activists are also fearing a major offensive.

Classic Russian tactic for countering a more capable enemy, blast them to hell and back with heavy artillery. Little wonder Russian calls artillery 'The God of war'.

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post Nov 17 2014, 02:56 PM

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Pakistan 'in talks' to possible purchase of FC-31 Stealth Fighters

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Looks like the J-31/FC-31 project may yet go forward.

The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) is in talks with China to buy 30 to 40 of the Shenyang FC-31 twin-engined stealth fighter displayed at Airshow China 2014 in Zhuhai, a senior Pakistani government official has revealed to IHS Jane's .

"The discussions are beyond initial inquiries and they fit into the pattern of Pakistan being the first export customer of Chinese [military] hardware," said the official.

The FC-31 was unveiled as an export model at Zhuhai, although a prototype with the J-31 designation has been flying at a Shenyang Aircraft Corporation facility since 2012.

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Jokowi talks defense with Merkel

Rendi A. Witular, The Jakarta Post, Brisbane, Australia | Headlines | Mon, November 17 2014, 10:30 AM

President Joko “Jokowi” Widodo wrapped up his nine-day overseas trip on Sunday with high expectations in regard to Indonesia’s role in the international community setting a new path for Indonesia’s diplomacy with the priority he has placed on his maritime-axis doctrine.

On his last stop in Brisbane, Australia, on the sidelines of a summit of the world’s 20 biggest economies, known as the G20, Jokowi held separate bilateral meetings with German Chancellor Angela Merkel, France’s President Francois Hollande and Turkey’s Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu.

Aside from introducing his marritime doctrine, launched during the East Asia summit in Myanmar on Thursday, Jokowi sought defense cooperation from Merkel.

According to Cabinet Secretary Andi Widjajanto, Indonesia would expect a transfer of technology in maritime-defense systems.

“With Germany, the President emphasized in the discussion the defense industry. As we’ve already purchased [German-made] Leopard tanks, we sought more cooperation that will enable us to also receive transfers of technology to our defense industry,“ said Andi.

Jokowi said late on Friday that there would be an immediate and significant increase in the budget for the Navy in line with his maritime doctrine that requires Indonesia to play an active role in ensuring navigational and regional security.

“The doctrine will remain on paper if we don’t buy more submarines, as well as patrol and combat vessels,” said Jokowi, who assumed the presidency less than a month ago.

While there has been an increase in the budget for the Navy in the last five years, most of the defense budget has flowed to the Army.


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Funding Remained Elusive for 6X6 Programme

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SHAH ALAM: Some eight years ago, the requirement for a 6X6 vehicle to replace the Condor APC in service with the Malaysian United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) contingent was floated. Until now the requirement remains pending.

Armed Forces Chief Tan Sri Zulkifeli Mohd Zin today stated that funds for the programme has yet to be confirmed although the requirement for Condor replacement remained. He said the programme might be funded in the 11th Malaysian Plan – to be announced in June, 2015 or it could be allocated from a special grant.


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Asked for an update on the AV8, Zulkifeli said a ceremony for the hand-over to an operational army battalion is scheduled in December

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Funding Remained Elusive for 6X6 Programme
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I thought got news also from malaysia defence that UN will provide funding or partial funding for condor replacement?

Or UN sudah tarik balik funding?
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post Nov 17 2014, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Nov 17 2014, 09:07 PM)
I thought got news also from malaysia defence that UN will provide funding or partial funding for condor replacement?

Or UN sudah tarik balik funding?
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The money would have come from our pocket in the first place then reimbursed by the world body

And among the 6x6 candidates, Anoa pindad have export license problem, french VAB can get very quickly but it's second-hand stuff
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Nov 17 2014, 09:17 PM)
And among the 6x6 candidates, Anoa pindad have export license problem, french VAB can get very quickly but it's second-hand stuff
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Why not get light MRAP-type vehicle?
Most manufacturers offer MRAP as off-the-shelf buy also, no need to wait for production. Protection also top-notch quality. Situation in Lebanon seems very good MRAP country, where danger is from IED or ambushes. Plus side also MRAP are defensive in nature so fits nicely with UN powers.

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Nov 17 2014, 09:32 PM)
Why not get MRAP-type vehicle?
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At least 6x6 more stable on hilly roads? the 4x4 condor is ady involved in several accident there..

6x6 mrap maybe?

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Nov 17 2014, 09:17 PM)
The money would have come from our pocket in the first place then reimbursed by the world body

And among the 6x6 candidates, Anoa pindad have export license problem, french VAB can get very quickly but it's second-hand stuff
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Nov 17 2014, 09:32 PM)
Why not get light MRAP-type vehicle?
Most manufacturers offer MRAP as off-the-shelf buy also, no need to wait for production. Protection also top-notch quality. Situation in Lebanon seems very good MRAP country.

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If mrap...can get US ones? Since they have so many to get rid off. It cheap or even free.

Though the only problem i can think off.. it heavy, potential maintenance headache and makan minyak

Other than those, any issues of us having US used mrap?

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