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MilitaryMadness
post Nov 4 2014, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Nov 4 2014, 02:13 PM)
Pindad Upgraded AMX-13 with 105mm Canon at Indo Defence 2014.
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Wonder how they can fit that 105mm gun into that small turret and still make room for an auto-loader & 2 crewmen.

This looks to have a better protected turret though, which is very good considering the original turret looked ridiculously fragile. I'd wager an RPG-7 round can already take the original turret clean off.

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post Nov 4 2014, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Nov 4 2014, 03:33 PM)
Wonder how they can fit that 105mm gun into that small turret and still make room for an auto-loader & 2 crewmen.

This looks to have a better protected turret though, which is very good considering the original turret looked ridiculously fragile. I'd wager an RPG-7 round can already take the original turret clean off.
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Here are some pics of the Pindad Upgraded AMX-13 test firing a 105mm APFSDS ammunition.

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post Nov 4 2014, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Nov 4 2014, 03:47 PM)
Here are some pics of the Pindad Upgraded AMX-13 test firing a 105mm APFSDS ammunition.
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The turret still looks ridiculously tiny given the small size of the tank. biggrin.gif
I don't see the turret actually giving much protection against a hit. I also doubt the combat staying power due to the fact while the tank can hold 32 shells, the auto-loader can hold only 12 shells at a time. If the magazine runs out, the crew had to reload it manually (from outside the tank,no less!!).

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post Nov 4 2014, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Nov 4 2014, 04:34 PM)
i think i rmb somebody here said our bae hawk shot down a f22 in cope taufan this year  thumbup.gif
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it seems like everybody want to shoot down F22 laugh.gif
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post Nov 4 2014, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Nov 4 2014, 03:53 PM)
The turret still looks ridiculously tiny given the small size of the tank. biggrin.gif
I don't see the turret actually giving much protection against a hit. I also doubt the combat staying power due to the fact while the tank can hold 32 shells, the auto-loader can hold only 12 shells at a time. If the magazine runs out, the crew had to reload it manually (from outside the tank,no less!!).

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I think it is still using the same turret but with a add-on armor in front of the turret & adding side skirts armor.

IIRC Pindad did a modification to the hull with an extended hull. The uprgaded AMX-13 features a new engine & modern FCS.

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post Nov 4 2014, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Nov 4 2014, 04:45 PM)
I think it is still using the same turret but with a add-on armor in front of the turret & side skirts amor.

IIRC Pindad did a modification to the hull with an extended hull. The uprgaded AMX-13 features a new engine & modern FCS.
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Although the AMX-13 itself was designed as a reconnaissance tank rather than going on tank-on-tank battles, the oscillating turret does give it a lower profile and a lighter weight. Which gives it advantages in its intended role.

So still a plus, although I don't see the need for it to be armed so heavily with a 105mm gun. Unless the TNI wants them to fight other tanks, which would be ridiculous given the tank's limitations.
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Nov 4 2014, 03:51 PM)
Although the AMX-13 itself was designed as a reconnaissance tank rather than going on tank-on-tank battles, the oscillating turret does give it a lower profile and a lighter weight. Which gives it advantages in its intended role.

So still a plus, although I don't see the need for it to be armed so heavily with a 105mm gun. Unless the TNI wants them to fight other tanks, which would be ridiculous given the tank's limitations.
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Whit this upgrade, The AMX more for fire support, the main player still MBT
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No idea what is up with the current interception.

QUOTE(superis @ Nov 3 2014, 04:23 PM)
Third interception since 20th Oct.. what happened?

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post Nov 4 2014, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(meedoot @ Nov 4 2014, 05:27 PM)
Whit this upgrade, The AMX more for fire support, the main player still MBT
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Still not so appropriate though, due to the relatively small ammunition load and autoloader limitations (AMX-13 original load is 32 76mm shells, in upgunned versions the number ammunition is reduced due to larger 105mm shells, probably down to 20-25 shells). Not to mention the potential balance & weight issues that comes with the longer and heavier gun for a small and light 13-ton chassis. hmm.gif


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post Nov 4 2014, 06:32 PM

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when butterworth air force base close where will the new base go??

if they do close the base im going to miss the sound of fighter jets
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post Nov 4 2014, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Nov 4 2014, 04:40 PM)
Tawau better location for RMAF Base

KOTA KINABALU: Former Sabah Chief Minister Harris Salleh has written a letter of appeal to Prime Minister Najib Abdul Razak and Cabinet Ministers to re-consider the proposed relocation of the RMAF Base from Butterworth to Labuan.
He wants the base to be in Tawau as part of measures to strengthen the security apparatus being currently put in place along the eastern seaboard of Sabah.
“It takes about an hour’s flying time from Labuan to the various towns and trouble spots along the east coast. This travelling time definitely causes a problem in the event of an emergency,” said Harris. “Tawau is just a short hop away from Lahad Datu, Semporna and Sandakan.”
Tawau, stressed Harris, was the best location for the RMAF Base because there’s no air force base at the moment along the eastern seaboard to cover this vulnerable stretch of the Sabah coastline.
Harris also thinks that the presence of the RMAF in Labuan is likely to have a negative impact on the island’s tourism potential which is expected to replace the oil and gas projects being increasingly shifted to Sabah and Sarawak.
“The RMAF has already been in Labuan for more than 60 years i.e. since World War II. There are no benefits to the island and the people from its presence,” said Harris. “The lack of local benefits after more than 60 years was also the reason that the Philippines Government did not renew the US lease on Subic Bay.”
He urged the people of Labuan to support his Appeal by speaking up on the issue and stress on the importance of the tourism industry to the island following its oil and gas industries being relocated elsewhere in Borneo. The former Chief Minister did not mention Labuan’s status as an international offshore financial centre.
“Knowing Kuala Lumpur, any suggestion from me alone will not be entertained,” he conceded frankly. “But Kuala Lumpur will listen to the people of Labuan if they speak up.”
“They must also argue for retaining Labuan at least as a regional centre for the oil and gas sector besides being an island reliant on tourism.”
Arguing for the future of Labuan to be free of the presence of the RMAF, Harris stressed that the island can expect its first one million tourists in five years time.
“Travel agents from China and Borneo have agreed to make Labuan a transit point for tourists from China flying to various destinations in Borneo,” said Harris. “A good percentage of the transit traffic is likely to spend a night or two in Labuan.”
“We must not allow this future to be compromised by shifting the RMAF Base from Butterworth to Labuan.”
He pointed out that, on another plus point, Labuan has already been declared a free flying zone which will come into effect on 1 Jan 2015.

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what u guys think?? i still think labuan has a more strategic location and we can upgrade it to support mrca next time without too much controversy
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Funny this man...... why u need to put airforce base in the threat area. So who is going to perform MPA tasking around south china sea, who is going to perform CAP at scs? Who is going to patrol spratly? Who is going to patrol the james shoal? Who is going to provide air defence for navy??

Fighters dont need to be based nearby threat area....they have speed.

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post Nov 4 2014, 07:07 PM

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QUOTE(LTZ @ Nov 4 2014, 06:56 PM)
Funny this man...... why u need to put airforce base in the threat area. So who is going to perform MPA tasking around south china sea, who is going to perform CAP at scs? Who is going to patrol spratly? Who is going to patrol the james shoal? Who is going to provide air defence for navy??

Fighters dont need to be based nearby threat area....they have speed.
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I think government also has one eye over SCS area in addition to eastern Sabah. If in the future something were to happen in SCS, a base that can cover both Sabah AND Sarawak is a good option.
Labuan is somewhere in the middle, so....
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post Nov 4 2014, 07:14 PM

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Also tawau is too near the border with that other jiran.. so confirm first thing to be gone if something happens
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On the more lighter side of news...

82 soldiers get to sit SPM

KOTA BARU: Army private Mohd Ropi Isa still has a pang of regret for leaving school after completing only his Form Three years ago.

Now at 24 years old, he is taking his Sijil Pelajaran Malaysia (SPM) examinations for the first time to raise his educational qualification.

Serving in the 18th Batallion of the Royal Malay Regiment in Pengkalan Chepa here, Ropi said as he did not do well in his studies then, he chose to quit school when friends coaxed him to do so after his Penilaian Menengah Rendah examination (PMR).

“That was the worst decision that I have ever made and I have regretted it ever since. Luckily, I managed to join the army with my PMR qualification several years ago.

“I realise now that I have to at least pass the SPM (examinations) to advance in my career and find a better job after completing military service,” he said when met before sitting for his first paper, Bahasa Melayu 1 paper, yesterday.

Ropi, from Batu Gajah in Tanah Merah, Kelantan, is one of 82 soldiers from the 8th Infantry Brigade sitting for SPM at the Armed Forces’ community transformation centre in Desa Pahlawan camp here.

Of the candidates, 20 were taking the examinations for the first time.

Corporal Amirsah Jauharan, 31, from the 8th Battalion of the Royal Signals Regiment, also based here, is re-sitting SPM, which he first took 14 years ago.

Amirsah, who is the oldest soldier among the candidates sitting for the exam, said he had worked hard to better the results he obtained from his first sitting.

“I have been attending classes organised by the Education Corps here regularly since February. We also had tuition classes besides study groups,” said Amirsah, who is from Kudat, Sabah.

8th Brigade’s education officer, Lieutenant-Colonel Abdul Rahman Abdul Hamid, said this was the first time that the Malaysian Examination Syndicate had allowed an army camp to be converted into an examination centre.

“A centre can be opened with a minimum 70 candidates and we have 82 students. Previously, soldiers had to sit for the examination at schools like other students.”

http://www.nst.com.my/node/49317
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post Nov 4 2014, 07:53 PM

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On browsing some military forums, it's ridiculously jarring to see WesternStronk! crew vilifying Russia for the bloodless annexation of Crimea with the justification of "yeah, we probably did bomb thousands of innocent civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan, but at least we didn't illegally annex part of another country".

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post Nov 4 2014, 07:58 PM

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QUOTE(wanvadder @ Nov 4 2014, 07:44 PM)
On the more lighter side of news...

82 soldiers get to sit SPM

KOTA BARU: Army private Mohd Ropi Isa still has a pang of regret for leaving school after completing only his Form Three years ago.

Now at 24 years old, he is taking his Sijil Pelajaran Malaysia (SPM) examinations for the first time to raise his educational qualification.

Serving in the 18th Batallion of the Royal Malay Regiment in Pengkalan Chepa here, Ropi said as he did not do well in his studies then, he chose to quit school when friends coaxed him to do so after his Penilaian Menengah Rendah examination (PMR).

“That was the worst decision that I have ever made and I have regretted it ever since. Luckily, I managed to join the army with my PMR qualification several years ago.

“I realise now that I have to at least pass the SPM (examinations) to advance in my career and find a better job after completing military service,” he said when met before sitting for his first paper, Bahasa Melayu 1 paper, yesterday.

Ropi, from Batu Gajah in Tanah Merah, Kelantan, is one of 82 soldiers from the 8th Infantry Brigade sitting for SPM at the Armed Forces’ community transformation centre in Desa Pahlawan camp here.

Of the candidates, 20 were taking the examinations for the first time.

Corporal Amirsah Jauharan, 31, from the 8th Battalion of the Royal Signals Regiment, also based here, is re-sitting SPM, which he first took 14 years ago.

Amirsah, who is the oldest soldier among the candidates sitting for the exam, said he had worked hard to better the results he obtained from his first sitting.

“I have been attending classes organised by the Education Corps here regularly since February. We also had tuition classes besides study groups,” said Amirsah, who is from Kudat, Sabah.

8th Brigade’s education officer, Lieutenant-Colonel Abdul Rahman Abdul Hamid, said this was the first time that the Malaysian Examination Syndicate had allowed an army camp to be converted into an examination centre.

“A centre can be opened with a minimum 70 candidates and we have 82 students. Previously, soldiers had to sit for the examination at schools like other students.”

http://www.nst.com.my/node/49317
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Normal thing, I from mrsm kem terendak spm 2001 got few skots sitting in the exam hall

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post Nov 4 2014, 08:12 PM

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I Think I speak for most here when I say please use 'spoiler' when you really want to post HUGE news articles or entire websites in the forum. Or better yet, just paste a few interesting paragraphs and provide a source link. The past few pages members really outdid themselves when they posted a really huge articles that made my browser crash everytime.

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Nov 4 2014, 07:58 PM)
Normal thing, I from mrsm kem terendak spm 2001 got few skots sitting in the exam hall
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there is also intake from SRP/PMR (now no more) and the one who enrolled with specialty certificate (the ones who never took SPM and go to institute kemahiran instead and some rare cases (very rare) some graduate student that did not take SPM but have o-level and a level with uni degree/master who gatal nak ambil SPM
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Nov 4 2014, 05:31 PM)
Still not so appropriate though, due to the relatively small ammunition load and autoloader limitations (AMX-13 original load is 32 76mm shells, in upgunned versions the number ammunition is reduced due to larger 105mm shells, probably down to 20-25 shells). Not to mention the potential balance & weight issues that comes with the longer and heavier gun for a small and light 13-ton chassis. hmm.gif
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for maneuver and handling also speed already tested and it pass the test few weeks ago, about fire test just did the test few days ago, success to, about weaknesses after the fire test we will see the result, if the stick with this models, then the army already satisfied with the result, if they change it, so maybe there's a mistake

little or bigger help will always needed when war happen, buy some times maybe, or if it could blow heavier stuff it would a jackpot, the % is tiny, but we need to use and be creative on what we already have if lacking on fund. If money isn't an issues, i'd rather put all of those AMX as a target for leopard during exercise and buy brand new stuff.. hahaha
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