2 year more fa18 production line closed already

I still think rafale is too overpriced and many hidden costs, u see india rafale acquisition so many problems now due to ever changing prices.

Rather just get a straightforward and not too expensive fighter like the super hornet e/f

I still think rafale is too overpriced and many hidden costs, u see india rafale acquisition so many problems now due to ever changing prices.

Rather just get a straightforward and not too expensive fighter like the super hornet e/f

the problem with Indian MMRCA program is with HAL
not the price of Rafale

Already see this ship on euronaval show.

1) It look like Anti-Air Warfare Frigate spec pack in to small Corvette, C-Sword90 1800 tons.  just like std Frigate pack into FAC
2）suitable in close sea patrol. lack of Helicopter hanger is bigger disadvantage
3) 4 Fix panel  AESA radar required huge electric power，and so many system and sensor in ship, with so small ship the electric power generation may not provide long range AESA operation and ship requirement， it may limited radar to few hrs time.  anyway i study C-Sword90 spec, found it extra install 4 electric （include 1 unit spare） generator for extra power supply， it maybe take more diesel fuel. no detail on this.
4) Some navy may interested this kind of design.  but usually 4 Fix panel AESA radar not much navy using due to high cost. it mostly using in more than  5000 tons AAW frigate， also big ship provide enough electric for Aesa radar. Hollan-class 3500 tons Frigate should first install I-mask 400 with 4 fix panel SeaMaster 400 Aesa radar, but limited operation time.

not really,  rafale cost now after upgrade to F3 cost just like cost to F-18,  changing price just media own guest/report or by people critics Rafale and support EF , never got official. only contract time will know the price.
F/A-18 not cheap, specially after 2010, we can't compare to US navy price, because many item it buy separate to multiple contract. and it is a US own country national price. with F18 EF block3 now，more expensive. 1 more think more people question is how much US control on system and Ammunition like missile and bomb.

idea is buy other 8~10 unit F18 for Butterworth AB so total as 16~18 as a squadron, remember Hawk 208 will transfer to Labuan， so Butterworth AB now short of Jet for patrol. Ammunition can use back so cost purchasing can be reduce. later can re-load stock went needed。

and buy 18 rafale to replace Mig29 at kuantan. rafale now in process to integrated with Russia Ammunition and missile, so at future also can used back Mig29 Ammunition. at lease reduce amount on Ammunition cost。

Eurofighter Typhoon – A Catalyst for Indonesia’s ‘Lepas Landas’?
  
(Source: Eurofighter GmbH; issued Nov 03, 2014)

The Eurofighter Consortium will be showcasing the Eurofighter Typhoon, one of the world’s most advanced fast-jet fighters, at Indo Defence because it believes the jet is probably the best solution for Indonesia at this particular time of its development.

Eurofighter sees Indonesia as a progressive country on the verge of an economic take-off. It is for this reason that Eurofighter has adopted the theme of ‘Indonesia Lepas Landas’ (‘Indonesia Ready for Take-off’) – a phrase familiar to many Indonesians and one which symbolises optimism and belief in a positive and prosperous future – for the consortium’s exhibition at this year’s Indo Defence.

Alberto Gutierrez, the CEO of Eurofighter Jagdflugzeug GmbH said: “This week, at Indo Defence, key decision-makers will concentrate on one essential aspect of securing Indonesia’s future – optimising investment decisions around defence capability. For this, and for future generations, it’s a massive responsibility.

“The Eurofighter consortium recognises the importance of this challenge. And this week, for the first time, the consortium will be showcasing a unique opportunity for the people of Indonesia,” he said.

Eurofighter comes to Asia offering the opportunity for Indonesia to fully engage with a programme it believes can deliver air superiority; enhanced indigenous capability, skills transfer and the foundations for decades of even stronger performance in the military aerospace industry.

“Everyone, when competing for business, will say how wonderful their product is, how fast, how powerful, how versatile it is – and yes we can, and will, make the strongest of claims around the capability of the Eurofighter Typhoon,” said Gutierrez.

“But we are chiefly here to emphasise that, in a country which we know is focused on infrastructure and capability development, we have an even deeper offer to make. We have the experience and track record to demonstrate that, if Indonesia were to opt for a Eurofighter solution, the benefits to the Nation would go far beyond the important and vital issue of national security, they would extend across a wide range of other areas too – and, in terms of increasing intellect and achieving a return on investment, we know how much that matters.”

The Eurofighter CEO said: “Safeguarding the islands of Indonesia is a massive undertaking. In terms of airpower you need an asset that is fast, can fly high, has staying power and which is versatile and reliable enough to effortlessly take on a number of key roles. We believe the Eurofighter Typhoon is that asset.

“Crucially, we also recognise that it is important to foster and develop indigenous capability. We know that to do that you need to be freely able to transfer know-how and develop your own highly-skilled workforce which can play a key part in enhancing and developing capability over future generations. We understand that’s the fundamental ethos behind ‘Indonesia Lepas Landas’ – it’s that indefinable ‘sparkle’ in a nation’s eye.”

The CEO said that the Eurofighter consortium, whose core partners are supported by four key European nations, Spain, Italy, Germany and the United Kingdom, is ready to work as needed with the Indonesian aerospace industry on developing indigenous capability – but he added that, in the shorter term Eurofighter is willing to discuss and develop ways in which immediate requirements are met.

“We have already delivered a total of 418 aircraft to six of our customers and we are in the process of preparing deliveries for a seventh,” said Alberto. “This, and our existing production capability and capacity across four countries means we can discuss a number of options in terms of what we could offer.”

The CEO said it was “too early” to go into detail about what those options might be, but added that there have “already been a number of useful meetings” between interested parties.

The Spanish-born Alberto Gutierrez became Chief Executive Officer of the German-based Eurofighter Jagdflugzeug GmbH consortium after leaving his parent company Airbus Defence and Space just over a year ago.

Airbus is already active in Indonesia working closely with PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PTDI) the Indonesian state owned enterprise who supply and manufacture parts for a number of key programmes - both civil and military.

Background Information on the Eurofighter Programme:

Eurofighter Typhoon is the most advanced new generation multi-role/swing-role combat aircraft currently available on the world market. Seven nations (Germany, the United Kingdom, Italy, Spain, Austria, Saudi Arabia and Oman) have already ordered the Eurofighter Typhoon. Eurofighter Typhoon is currently the largest military procurement programme in Europe.

Its high technology strengthens the position of European aerospace industry in the international market. The programme secures more than 100,000 jobs in 400 companies. Eurofighter Jagdflugzeug GmbH manages the programme on behalf of the Eurofighter Partner Companies Alenia Aermacchi, BAE Systems and Airbus Defence and Space in Germany and Spain, which are the most important aviation and aerospace companies in Europe.

Since delivery of the first Eurofighter Typhoon to the Royal Air Force in the United Kingdom end of 2003, a total of 418 aircraft have been delivered to six nations. The Eurofighter fleet continues to demonstrate its high operational effectiveness in international missions and training exercises and has accumulated more than 260,000 flying hours. (ends)


Eurofighter Typhoon – “Indonesia Lepas Landas” Fact Sheet
  
(Source: Eurofighter GmbH; issued Nov 03, 2014)

 
The Eurofighter Offer:

• The Eurofighter consortium believes the Eurofighter Typhoon offers Indonesia:

-- Air Superiority; Air-to-Land/Sea Strike Capability and Non-Traditional Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Capability

-­ Unrivalled performance and agility – 2 x EJ200 engines delivering 40,000lbs of thrust

-­ Uniquely capable sensors – Class-leading CAPTOR radar and PIRATE infra-red search and track

-­ Lethal flexible weapon mix – 13 hardpoints, Meteor, Brimstone 2, Paveway IV, Storm Shadow and others

-­ Proven operational capability – 97per cent of missions achieved versus task

PTDI and Airbus Defence and Space:

• PTDI produces the CN235-220 in its facilities in Bandung and also manufactures the NC212i, a joint development with Airbus Defence and Space. Under different industrial collaboration agreements signed between the Indonesian Government, PTDI and Airbus Defence and Space, a C295 Delivery Center and a C295 Final Assembly Line have set up in PTDI in 2013/2014.
• Additionally PTDI is an Airbus Defence and Space subcontractor for some major sub-assemblies: doors, empennage and rear fuselage for the C295 and outer wings and empennage CN235-300.
• PTDI carries out the completion and customization work for Airbus Helicopters’ AS365 N3+ Dauphin and manufactures tailbooms and upper-lower fuselage assemblies for the Super Puma family, manufactures shared components for CN235 and C295, aircraft parts, components, tools and fixtures for Airbus A320/321/330/340/350/380 for Spirit Aerosystem.
In the near future PTDI will carry out the completion and customization for Airbus Helicopters’ EC725 Cougar, AS565 MBe Panther, AS550/555 Fennec and EC145 for Indonesian customers.

soooo...when will we know what jets are going to be chosen to replace the MiGs?

A combination of public dissatisfaction over the cutting of government subsidies and the government’s need to balance an increasing deficit has made spending on military procurement politically unviable at the moment.

One of the key programs already on hold indefinitely is the Royal Malaysian Air Force MRCA (multi-role combat aircraft) requirement to replace its MiG-29s, though all four contenders for the program–Boeing, Dassault, BAE Systems and Saab–have, in the light of the current situation, made proposals such as long-term repayments and lease options to Malaysia in an attempt to persuade the country to make a decision soon to go ahead with the program.

However, it appears that even this will not be enough for Malaysia to proceed in the near future, even though the timetable has already fallen behind the RMAF’s projected target date of 2015 for phasing out the MiG-29s. The RMAF currently has restricted the MiG-29 fleet (which number around eight aircraft) to operational duties and missions only in an effort to preserve their operational lifespan. Previously, the MiG-29 also carried out public event duties such as fly-pasts and airshow displays.

source

Fly away cost for latest version 18 sh around usd80mil.
Airframe around usd36mil.
2 engine around usd10mil.
radar and avionics around usd10mil.
support cost usd usd15mil-20mil

Its airframe it said to be improve in term of flight hours current estimated around 9170hours could be more on non-carrier operation.

November 4, 2014 3:17 am

Eurofighter turns to social media with Indonesia pitch

Ben Bland and Peggy Hollinger

After missing out on large export deals to the Middle East and India, Europe’s Eurofighter is taking the battle for a $1bn aircraft deal in Indonesia to a new front: social media.

On a marketing trip to Jakarta, the world’s busiest city for Twitter users, former Royal Air Force pilot Paul Smith and Eurofighter’s manager of “business winning” posed for photographs on Sunday with aviation bloggers and passersby in front of a mocked-up backdrop of a Typhoon flying over Indonesia’s famous volcanoes.

Many defence companies focus their lobbying on governments but in the world’s third-biggest democracy, Eurofighter hopes to jump ahead of its rivals by taking its sales pitch straight to the young, social-media savvy population.

“We are selling to the ministry of defence and the air force but in this huge democracy, where there are so many young people, we thought that it was a good, complementary way of showcasing Eurofighter,” says Alberto Gutierrez, chief executive of the consortium that builds the aircraft, made up of Britain’s BAE, Italy’s Finmeccanica and the Franco-German Airbus.

He says Indonesia is an “extremely important country” for Eurofighter at a time when the market has been “particularly difficult” for the company and its rivals.

Cuts in military spending by the US and other western governments have hit defence companies hard, and competition has intensified for those orders that remain.

Eurofighter, which lost out to Sweden’s Gripen and France’s Rafale in recent years, faces the challenge of finding new customers to keep its production lines going once the current fleet of commissioned aircraft are delivered in 2018. Without new orders the consortium could also struggle to fund future upgrades of the aircraft’s capabilities.

Mr Gutierrez says Eurofighter hopes to boost sales as countries retire obsolete aircraft and new global threats “make certain countries understand that they need to keep investing in protecting themselves”.

In Asia, China’s growing military assertiveness is driving many of its neighbours, including Indonesia, to increase their defence spending and buy new technology from submarines to fighters.

Indonesia is looking to replace its ageing fleet of Northrop F5 Tiger fighters and defence analysts expect it to spend about $1bn buying 16 aircraft. Eurofighter is likely to face competition from Saab’s Gripen, Boeing’s F/A-18, Lockheed Martin’s F16, Dassault’s Rafale and Sukhoi’s Su-35.

Indonesia has already acquired a diverse range of military aircraft including US F16s, Russian Sukhoi 27s and 30s, and Brazilian Super Tucanos and it is working with South Korea on the development of a new fighter called the IFX.

Like a growing number of emerging-market economies, Indonesia requires international defence contractors to involve local companies in all major military procurement deals.

State-owned Indonesia Aerospace already makes helicopter and aeroplane parts for Airbus Defence and Space as well as manufacturing the CN235 and C295 transporters. “That connection puts them in a strong position,” says Jon Grevatt, an Asian defence analyst at IHS Jane’s in Bangkok.

Some analysts also suggest the aircraft could soon be fitted with an upgraded radar system, known as Aesa. “I suspect they will have a far more attractive product to sell,” says Ben Bourne, defence analyst at Liberum.

Mr Gutierrez says Eurofighter’s initial offer would include final assembly of the Typhoon in Indonesia but that ultimately any deal would depend on whether the new government wanted to maximise technology transfer or job creation. The company does not expect any official request for quotation until the middle of next year at the earliest.

Analysts say that while the Indonesian deal would be much smaller than India’s $20bn fighter acquisition programme, which was won by Dassault Aviation’s Rafale, it is important for Eurofighter to show that is making headway in fast-growing southeast Asia, where it is also in talks with Malaysia.

A firm order would send a strong signal to these potential customers. “Typhoon needs to get a deal to show it is still in the game,” says Francis Tusa, editor of Defence Analysis.

“If you haven’t had an order in the last four or five years people think you are a loser. They just need to get another order and it will help change the perception.”

Yes, the issue is that they want Dassault to hold the delivery gurantee for the the remaining 108 rafale figther that will be build by HAL. Seriously, any company that try to sell any weapon to India will ends up a masochist at the end of the day.

good too know info. TQ
Hopefully is  Block 3 spec if we buy. 

Advance super hornet is being offered for export included malaysia. They even try promote it in last LIMA.
the question is the government is willing to pay more for additional stuff?
I think we wont buy stealth weapons bay though.
cft very likely we would buy it.
Apg73 is no longer in production so we are getting apg79 for sure.
towed decoy depend on the budget.
Weapons package is what I'm worrying at.

Pindad Upgraded AMX-13 with 105mm Canon at Indo Defence 2014.





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