Im taking stpm 14/15.
Ermm.. how to calculate the cgpa?
They just based on the pointer we get or by using the wajaran %?
erm.. if lets say for sej:
sem 1 = 4.0
sem 2 = 3.33
sem 3 = 3.67
so what wil be my final pointer for this subj? jz take the average? or by using the average of wajaran?
and the final total is the average pointer of the 4 subj?

3.6 average, dont forget its 90% for UPU merit point plus 10% another cocu marks

They will sum up the total marks you get for each semester including the assessments and divide by four,
Let say using the example you gave,
sem 1 you get 95 marks, sem 2 63 marks, sem 3 74 marks, pbs I assume 90 marks, so you get average marks of 80.5, you get an A for sej! it depends on your strength of each score, it is possible for you to get an A- although you have secured 3As but 1A- for your subject.

i see... thanks a lot!

They use the marks of each paper, not the grade. Hence it is impossible for you to calculate your final grades as the marks for each paper were not disclosed.

Therefore, it is also possible for you to get an different final grades for the same combination. For example, if you get 2A 1A-, the final grade may be an A if it's 2 high A and one high A-, or it may be an A- if it's two low A and a very low A-.

where did u get this from?

I am an STPM 2013 graduate.

The combination thing is true. I've seen it on black and white from different result slips.

Another example, my Chemistry grade was A-/B+/A/A (paper 1-paper 4 in order) but my final grade is A-.

My other friend got A/B+/C+/A for PA but he got an A for the final grade for Pengajian Am.

Oh yes, it's easier to get an A for PA. But it's also easy to fail PA. Make no mistakes at all, you get your A. Make a tiny stupid mistake like forgetting to label your axis, you get only B or below.

Thread carefully. It either comes great, or you plunge horribly.

This post has been edited by Just Visiting By: Aug 25 2014, 05:42 PM

i've been in education for 12 years. CGPA calculations using other values than grade-point is very unconventional in malaysia.

one explanation is the weightage of every semester is different. this is common in UK universities, where the 1st few semesters carry lesser impact than the later ones. but again, this wont explain why u get an A-. it should've been A.

else, either it was an error on his results (based on standard calculation), or yours (based on different weightages per sem).

You're right, they are different. For instance, in Mathematics M (memory is a little hazy though), the first and second semester both carry about 30% of the total marks, while the third semester only carries about 20%

Then there's 20% project marks as well.

You can't calculate nor predict your CGPA till your final results are out because as Just Visiting By mentioned, the actual marks aren't disclosed to the public.

PS: You'll thank your lucky stars for the existence of project marks lol.

It's neither. I have seen overwhelming evidence (result slips) and MPM confirmed it's calculated by marks via phone call.

It's by marks for sure. It might be unconventional and it certainly is unfair, but that's how MPM does it.

Wait till STPM 2014 students get their results next year, and you'll see another batch of evidence.

I strongly agree with you. Guess only those STPM 2013 graduates know this

It's based on wajaran. But on how they calculated the percentage to pointer, no one has any idea. Many teachers (including school and tuition centres) have came out with their own calculations but none of those calculations are the same.

Let's see my P.Am from Sem 1, 2, 3 and PBS.
29% = 3.67 (A-)
22% = 3.33 (B+)
29% = 2.67 (B-)
20% = 4.00 (A)

My final pointer is 3.67. If you tried to add them all up and divide by 4, it gives you 3.41. As far as I know, if you get 3.41, your last pointer should be 3.33. If you get let's say 3.77, your final pointer would still be 3.67 instead of 4.00. But worry not about your overall pointer (4 subjects add up divide by 4). If you add them all up divide by 4 and you get 3.89, your pointer will be 3.89 and not 3.67.

If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me. Truth to be told, being the first batch kinda sucks. Everyone was all clueless on how things should be done (even the teachers!). I'm not saying the plan to change to semester system is bad but after going through as first batch, it feels like the ministry is doing a half-ass job in implementing this system.

We called MPM. They confirmed the final grade is based on the total overall marks (3 papers + PBS).

There is absolutely no way you could calculate your final pointer because the marks of each papers are not disclosed to candidates.

This is why all the methods you have tried failed.

i think i've explained this before. u cannot calculate CGPA directly from marks percentage. i've looked into the worldwide convention for this, and even UiTM, which uses unconventional method, still interprets the CGPA through grade-point value (or kaedah wajaran).

the ministry complies to ISO. so it has to move based on the established methodologies only, and cant just suka2 create a new, untested system and implement it nationwide. sure, it's not disclosed, but having been in the system for over 12 years, i can assure u there are many people in the ministry who will buat bising if anyone tries to implement anything unconventional. not everyone in the ministry of education are loyal to the current government.

so bottom line is, it has to be based on a conventional, established method. meaning:

a grade will have an absolute value (grade point). since 4.00 is the highest, we can assume A is 4.00.

at university level, u dont just average it. u have to multiply the grade point with the credit value (weightage of the subject). a 2 credit subject will weigh less than a 6 credit subject. if u take both subjects at the same semester, u can calculate it like so:

2 credit subject scored C (2.00) and 6 credit subject scored A (4.00):

((2 x 2.00) + (6 x 4.00))/(2+6)
= 3.50cgpa.

let's reverse it. 2 credit subject scored A (4.00) and 6 credit subject scored C (2.00):

((2 x 4.00) + (6 x 2.00))/(2+6)
= 2.50cgpa.

do u see the calculation? if u score a 2 credit subject but suck at the 6 credit subject, u will only score 2.50cgpa. the heavier the subject's credit, the more it will impact ur cgpa. so in this case, what we need to find out is what each semester's weightage is. only then we can figure out the cgpa.

We all know that the percentage is not given out to candidates. But exactly how the calculation is, no one knows. Even if we do not know the percentage we get, at least it should be known to student on how the calculation is being done. Otherwise, it would be just 'study smart, get good results' without knowing what is the minimum people should be aiming for. Take SPM for example. People want A+, they aim for 90% and above. In STPM, well, it's just study, study, study. Ouh, get 4.00. Save! Get 2.67? What to do? Things like that.

And also, teachers are not given briefing on how the co-curiculum marks should be calculated too. Should it be calculated by semester or by Lower Six & Upper Six. And how the co-curriculum will be added to final results (to be honest, I don't even know if it's 90%/10% in STPM).

This post has been edited by moonnightsilver: Aug 29 2014, 03:02 PM

The weightage of each paper is disclosed to the public. You can see it in the syllabus. The students are all aware of the weightages

For example, for Mathematics (T), paper 1 to paper 3 each carries a weightage of 26.67% while paper 4 carries 20%.

Pengajian Am is different. Paper 1 and paper 3 are 29%, paper 2 is 20% while paper 4 is 20%.

Let me stressed that for the same subject and same weightage (and hence same credit hour since MOE fix the number of periods we should have for one week), we observe different final grades for the same semester grades.

Meaning, for Chemistry, in numerical paper order, those who score A/B+/A-/A might get a final grade of A, and those who score A/B+/A-/A might also get an A-. Weightage has been taken into account, and printed on the result slip.

You can totally not predict what your final grade might be. Just as we couldn't (I am an STPM 2013 graduate).

The evidence is overwhelming. You can argue, and I agree whole-heartedly, that the calculation for final CGPA based on marks is extremely unfair and unconventional, but it is a fact. Perhaps you can argue with MPM for the sake of other STPM graduates in the future?

We believed what MPM told us on the phone because we have tried all possible ways to calculate the final grades, but none worked and none could explain the discrepancy between two different people who get same semester grades for the same paper (meaning, example, for Physics, both get A for first semester, A- for second semester, and A for third semester, and A for paper 4, but for final grade one get A and another A-). MPM's answer is the only one that could explain the discrepancy observed - or it does not explain at all, perhaps, but at least it tells us why it exists and why none of our methods worked.


Technically, how UPU calculates the 90% academic and 10% marks are your duty to find out, not the school, as UPU is not part of the school.

Ko-k falls under the jurisdiction of MOE, not MPM. Like in previous years, KO-K marks are calculated by year, not semesters.

And yes, this is why STPM is so unfair. You do not know what marks you need to get an A or a B+. The grades you get after each semesters may be extremely surprising. You thought you could do all the questions, but you might get only a B+ (like I did for sem 2 physics), you might think you can't do lots of questions, but you could get an A in the end (like my ulangan 1 physics).

MPM is unpredictable. I've spent one and a half year trying to fathom them, but we gave up eventually.

Don't waste your time. Just do your best.

This post has been edited by Just Visiting By: Aug 29 2014, 04:42 PM

Forgive me, but doesnt the CGPA of STPM involve all the 4 subjects?
For example;
If your semester-specific grade is as follows:
PA- A, A-, A-, B+
Chemistry- A, A, A-, A
Physics- B+, B, A-, B
Maths- B+,B+, A-, A-
And maybe your final subject grade is:
PA: A-
Chemistry: A
Physics: B+
Maths: B
Then your CGPA will be the average of your 4 subject's final marks:
(4.00+ 3.67+ 3.33+ 3.0)/ 4= 3.50

Hmmm i will write to MPM and try to get to the bottom of this. Who did u speak to when phoned them?

What drives your mind to go to such an extent?

I want to learn the psychology of this behavior.

My teacher called, when we were told that pendaftaran Ulangan 3 would close before they release the final results.

My teachers even told us to complain to the media as then they'll be pressured to take actions. However, most of us, including me, is not very severely affected so we didn't bother to bring the issue to that extent.

It's unfair to ask us to pay for a retake when we do not know our final result.

Please complain about this for us too. For the next batches of STPM students.

This post has been edited by Just Visiting By: Aug 29 2014, 08:16 PM