QUOTE(alexa @ Sep 23 2014, 03:03 PM)
wow your so kewlDiscuss: Coding tests in job interviews
Discuss: Coding tests in job interviews
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Sep 23 2014, 03:58 PM
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Sep 25 2014, 02:12 AM
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Sep 25 2014, 10:07 AM
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QUOTE(M_Shahrul @ Sep 25 2014, 02:12 AM) Some people are simply not meant to own companies. Look at Linus Torvalds, the Linux creator and the *richest man in the world. He programs at home in his own time and can spend time with his family and yet he earns a salary a million USD a year. In an article he said he could not be a good employer, period. In another word he can't own a company.I bet if he's given a coding test in a job interview he can do it correctly to satisfaction. *depends on how you define "rich" |
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Sep 25 2014, 10:19 AM
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QUOTE(M_Shahrul @ Sep 25 2014, 02:12 AM) I will explain it to you.Nurdin Norazan Services is my enterprise company as freelance programmer. Penril Datability (M) Sdn Bhd is my full time job. Technovault Solutions Sdn Bhd is my own company too with my 2 other partners, so I have share inside there. Why we need full time job for right now because we don't have stable profit for incoming 6 months. This post has been edited by alexa: Sep 25 2014, 10:23 AM |
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Sep 25 2014, 10:31 AM
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QUOTE(alexa @ Sep 25 2014, 10:19 AM) I will explain it to you. Ya hard times now.. Unless y go worldwide and cash basis income.gov project suc yoNurdin Norazan Services is my enterprise company as freelance programmer. Penril Datability (M) Sdn Bhd is my full time job. Technovault Solutions Sdn Bhd is my own company too with my 2 other partners, so I have share inside there. Why we need full time job for right now because we don't have stable profit for incoming 6 months. |
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Sep 25 2014, 12:32 PM
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QUOTE(TheSolver @ Sep 25 2014, 10:07 AM) Some people are simply not meant to own companies. Look at Linus Torvalds, the Linux creator and the *richest man in the world. He programs at home in his own time and can spend time with his family and yet he earns a salary a million USD a year. In an article he said he could not be a good employer, period. In another word he can't own a company. How would you define rich? Because if we're talking financially, Linus Torvalds is nowhere near the richest man in tech. If anything, he is waaaaay underpaid for the contributions he made - he's only worth, what, $150 million? Roughly the same as the founder of Instagram.I bet if he's given a coding test in a job interview he can do it correctly to satisfaction. *depends on how you define "rich" |
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Sep 27 2014, 01:05 PM
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QUOTE(alexa @ Sep 25 2014, 10:19 AM) I will explain it to you. What kind of salary you are looking for? PM me your resume/phone number and I'll arrange for an interview with my company.Nurdin Norazan Services is my enterprise company as freelance programmer. Penril Datability (M) Sdn Bhd is my full time job. Technovault Solutions Sdn Bhd is my own company too with my 2 other partners, so I have share inside there. Why we need full time job for right now because we don't have stable profit for incoming 6 months. My company don't normally do coding test during interview, we'll engage chosen applicants for a few months to see if they can fit in. Rather than testing the applicants' current skill, we'd like to see how he handle problems and his willingness to acquire more skills to solve the problems. Programming is more about problem solving, not about showing off our coding skill. |
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Sep 30 2014, 06:42 PM
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QUOTE(nyem @ Sep 27 2014, 01:05 PM) What kind of salary you are looking for? PM me your resume/phone number and I'll arrange for an interview with my company. Just asking... As you said, your company = means... You own the company? Or you are an employee there? Just asking by the way, friend...My company don't normally do coding test during interview, we'll engage chosen applicants for a few months to see if they can fit in. Rather than testing the applicants' current skill, we'd like to see how he handle problems and his willingness to acquire more skills to solve the problems. |
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Sep 30 2014, 08:35 PM
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QUOTE(M_Shahrul @ Sep 30 2014, 06:42 PM) Just asking... As you said, your company = means... You own the company? Or you are an employee there? Just asking by the way, friend... I'm full time employee and part-owner. Started the company with a partner, later brought in another partner to get more fund for expansion. Now with more than 15 technical staff coming from Middle-East, Pakistan, Ireland, Poland, etc, but including me only 3 local programmers. I need more local programmers, preferably muslim males.Area of expertise I'm looking for: - IT/Network Engineer with unix background and basic python/perl skills - Java Web Developers - Web developer with strong Javascript skills - Mobile (Android/IOS) developer - Data scientists |
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Oct 2 2014, 10:04 PM
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QUOTE(RiddleMeThat @ Aug 18 2014, 11:20 AM) Which probably explains why so many companies complain about not being able to hire 'quality' programmers. Their interview process is broken because it is dominated by egoistic nerdy programmers who cannot see beyond those tests. how i wish you were my interviewer. The last interview i went was tough. When I interviewed candidates I never make them do those tests. The ones I hire was able to do the work anyway so it wasn't an issue. My only complaint is lack of application of the job position. Like normal given a test to write code and test your database skill. Then go to hiring manager/project manager. Ask lot of unrelated stuff which is out of job scope and ask me to write code in front of him which is related to recursion. That all fine but the hiring manager/project manager is kind of bossy kind and because he is very knowledgeable on his field i think his ego is quite high while talking to me. |
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Oct 2 2014, 10:10 PM
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QUOTE(kazarboys @ Oct 2 2014, 10:04 PM) how i wish you were my interviewer. The last interview i went was tough. Consider yourself lucky to see their company culture during interview. These types of companies are not good to work for.Like normal given a test to write code and test your database skill. Then go to hiring manager/project manager. Ask lot of unrelated stuff which is out of job scope and ask me to write code in front of him which is related to recursion. That all fine but the hiring manager/project manager is kind of bossy kind and because he is very knowledgeable on his field i think his ego is quite high while talking to me. When you have arrogant programmers doing the hiring, this is the result. Why would you wanna work for dickheads and have such people as colleagues? These type of technical people have lousy people skills and they will guarantee the company they work in will not be able to hire anyone but equal dickheads like themselves. These insecure techies are the reason why management wanna cut their pay or restrict it because they're unprofessional. |
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Oct 3 2014, 03:11 PM
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QUOTE(RiddleMeThat @ Oct 2 2014, 10:10 PM) Consider yourself lucky to see their company culture during interview. These types of companies are not good to work for. Is it better if the hiring is done entirely by HR staff with zero programming knowledge? Then they WILL have to rely on the tests, and have no idea if the tests are appropriate or not.When you have arrogant programmers doing the hiring, this is the result. Why would you wanna work for dickheads and have such people as colleagues? These type of technical people have lousy people skills and they will guarantee the company they work in will not be able to hire anyone but equal dickheads like themselves. These insecure techies are the reason why management wanna cut their pay or restrict it because they're unprofessional. |
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Oct 3 2014, 03:37 PM
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Last time i had this interview that i need to complete their given assignment in 3 days 2 night. After that, they called me to come to their office and complete the data structure test on whiteboard. If i succeed, there will be another test to come for work for 1 day(since i'm jobless back then) to test if i am suited with their work culture & environment.
dafuq!! Go to h**l with that i said |
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Oct 3 2014, 07:10 PM
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QUOTE(soad_vs_incubus @ Oct 3 2014, 03:37 PM) Last time i had this interview that i need to complete their given assignment in 3 days 2 night. After that, they called me to come to their office and complete the data structure test on whiteboard. If i succeed, there will be another test to come for work for 1 day(since i'm jobless back then) to test if i am suited with their work culture & environment. I actually think the "work for 1 day" method is a good one, under one condition - the candidate gets paid more than a full day's wage for it.dafuq!! Go to h**l with that i said |
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Oct 3 2014, 07:16 PM
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