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 Team Vodafone McLaren Mercedes V2, Malaysia GP Qlfy: Heikki P3, Lewis P4

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post Sep 18 2006, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(shauno @ Sep 18 2006, 07:25 PM)
interesting u say this..i can't stand schumi's guts...but i have to hand it to him..he's broken evry single record in the books, as dirty as he is..
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I feel the exact same way. As controversial as Schumi has been, he has been the best driver.

And don't mind the Kimi fanboy.
Criticise Kimi abit...immediately don't agree
He should go to Ferrari thread and start warming up to the ppl there since that's where he'll be spending most of his time praising his idol.
I wonder how the Ferrari fans over there will take to him. tongue.gif
and he should bring his cheerleader BuFung along as well wink.gif
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post Sep 18 2006, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Sep 18 2006, 09:57 PM)
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I'm ignoring you now  thumbup.gif
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Smartest thing u've said all day. rclxms.gif
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post Sep 18 2006, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(Kimmy @ Sep 18 2006, 10:54 PM)
MS built the Ferrari? Mm.. sorry, I dont quite agree with that statement.  A good driver needs a good car to race on. Put it this way, they need each other to build a better team.smile.gif
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A good driver definitely needs a good car but fariz isn't wrong to say that MS brought Ferrari to where they are now. When he went to Ferrari with his team from Benetton (Todt, Brawn, etc) he was tasked to change their fortunes; Ferrari hadn't won anything for a very very very (hehe) long time. Needless to say, he succeeded with aplomb (after a few years of course) and he deserves all the success he has had.
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Sep 19 2006, 12:15 AM)
I'll say schummi is a good driver, but still not the best. His acheivements are overhyped. for one, all of his records are set when F1 drivers have more races to drive, and more points to gain. Remember that during the times of Prost and Senna, winners will only get 9 points. Now they got 10.

Thus the only thing that he really can boast about is Win/GP entered.

Look at the comparison of Poles
Schummi - 68/247 = 27%
Senna - 65/162 = 40%!!!

the numbrs does not tell the bigger picture. Fangio won 5 WC when he was near 50! If F1 had started earlier than 1950, he could have easily won more. Not to mention that he also raced in many more races like the Mille Migilia rally. Schummi cannot compare to that.
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I agree with u there.
His records and numbers are overblown with the current structure of F1.
It's the reason why i don't care so much for records. Do i think Schumi was better than Prost or Senna? Hell no. But no one will deny he has been the best driver of the modern era which was the point i was trying to make earlier.

edit: also a big point to note is that during the earlier years it was much more dangerous to drive and the racers were really heroes in a sense to put their lives at risk for their love of the sport thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(Kimmy @ Sep 19 2006, 04:23 PM)
I didnt say that fariz is wrong,  I am just not quite agree with his/her statement. smile.gif Look back at what had happened last year, when Ferrari suffering from the tyre problem. People are questioning his skills compared  to Mclaren and Renault that had better package to race on.. It is obvious, a car is definitely require to every drivers out there. 

Technology is growing everyday.. take Ipod for example, last year they have ipod video, and this year Ipod shuffle mini. It's the same thing applies to Ferrari, their car is getting better and better.. if there is no improvement, there is definitely no ferrari today. smile.gif

We are not comparing the old days he had in Benetton, back at that time driver still not quite rely heavily on the realiability of car.  every team sports that we are talking now is not only a one man team, but a TEAM! One man shows is not going to work things out...

I agree with linkinstreet, Schumy is a good driver, but he is not yet the best in F1.  smile.gif
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I don't think anyone questioned his skills. It was pretty clear Ferrari didn't have a good package last year.
IMO F1 has always been a team sport. In sporting essence that has never changed over the years. What i was trying to point out is if Schumi (together with his team) didn't join Ferrari in 1996, Ferrari wouldn't be the team they are today. They could even be still waiting for their first driver's title in over 20+ years. It's all speculation of course and it's no use thinking any more about it.

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QUOTE(Kimmy @ Sep 19 2006, 05:10 PM)
Yes, ppl (please note that, only certain, not everyone) questioned his skills, this I read from the papers. But, I never question his skills, because that is obvious Ferrari not as compatitive as they were that time.

As I pointed out, Technology is getting better, Ferrari is getting better and better.. and Schumy's team is in the right time to work it out with Ferrari. So, I would rather say they both (ferrari and Schumy's team) work together.. but not Schumy built the name of ferrari!  smile.gif
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OMG build the name of Ferrari!? I don't think anyone in their right mind would try to imply that. Ferrari as a brand was established way before F1. I think u just misunderstood the point that was being made. Schumi brought success in F1 back to Ferrari after they got 'lost' for a number of years. He and his team built the foundation on which that success is based on, not the name!! I'm kind of a traditionalist person and i would never say something like that. smile.gif
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"Hamilton's full test debut"
http://f1.racing-live.com/f1/en/headlines/...920202327.shtml
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McLaren Mercedes completed their first day of testing today at Silverstone, after giving a short familiarisation run to Lewis Hamilton yesterday.

Pedro de la Rosa's focus today has been on Michelin work for the Japanese Grand Prix, with additional set-up programmes for China and Japan alongside the tyre evaluation.

The session saw Lewis make his test debut and the team continued to focus on the familiarisation programme of the MP4-21 and the testing process.

"I am really pleased to have made my full test debut with Team McLaren Mercedes today at Silverstone," said Hamilton. "It has been a positive session, working through more systems checks with the car during the day, with my focus on this rather than going for times.
It is a steep learning curve, and as a result I am making sure I get the most out of my time with the test team and the engineers. It was great to be able to stretch the legs of the MP4-21 round Silverstone, the car is fantastic to drive, even more so as I am doing longer runs than yesterday and you can actually start to build up a proper rhythm."

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post Sep 22 2006, 11:11 AM

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They're still too raw imo. Haven't Renault already confirmed their lineup for next season? If so then Piquet Jr will be their test driver. McLaren hasn't announced theirs but i think they'll follow the same route.
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Sep 22 2006, 02:50 PM)
It's a chance that they have to take IMHO. Remember, Kimi and Alonso were both still very young when they made their F1 debut that many people say that they don't have a chance in this sport.
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I don't think ppl said that. Ppl had doubts about Kimi because he hadn't secured his single-seater licence and he was on probation. Alonso was always a talent to watch for and he worked from the bottom up, racing for Minardi in his debut season. For Hamilton and Piquet, u r talking about 2 rookie drivers driving for 2 of the top teams in F1. Personally i just see them in test roles next season in order to gain experience.
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Sep 22 2006, 04:08 PM)
I guess those F1 expert knows more than others do when the sign Kimi and Alonso into F1  tongue.gif

No more Finnish drivers in McLaren  sad.gif
Tradition broken.

See Montoya, F1 debut...won a GP.
If those rookies can do the same,  notworthy.gif

But even Rosberg who reign in GP2 still struggle in F1.
Either still getting use to it or just that Williams car suxx.

I think it's the eager to win and do better than anybody else will secure success.
Establish your superiority...that's what Senna did.
He doesn't care...he race wheel to wheel and did a lot of agressive manouvers.
He wants to win and be better than anybody else.
Showing he means business.
Gave Prost a hard time  laugh.gif
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I don't think u can call Finnish drivers in McLaren a tradition since there was only Hakkinen and Raikkonen. whistling.gif

and Senna and Prost were both phenomenal drivers. The fact that they drove for the same team is astonishing. They both pushed each other and gave each other a hard time i think wink.gif
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Oct 4 2006, 12:29 AM)
If McLaren does not solve this problem fast...clearly next season and 2008 will be a Ferrari whitewash.

Fisi in Renault needs a lot of thing to do.
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This doesn't make sense
Every season all the teams have to redesign a new package anyway rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(car_o_scope @ Oct 4 2006, 02:49 PM)
Mario Illien and Paul Morgan =Ilmor.. Morgan died. Illien still alive. Engines always blew in Mika's final season. Then, they had a hard time. McLaren Mercedes and Ilmor still in partnership?  I thought they have gone separate ways.. Maybe I got the news wrong..
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If i'm not mistaken, Ilmor has been integrated into Mercedes but technically all the personnel are still there.
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QUOTE(Amanda85 @ Oct 5 2006, 02:48 PM)
mclaren is not a team tat aim juz 2 finish a race like super aguri or earning lil points like william
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I understand where u r coming from but it's very disrespectful to one of the oldest teams in F1 to say that they just earn lil points since Williams have won their fair share of titles in the past.
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it seems the michelin tyres aren't as fast as the bridgestones in this track..
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QUOTE(ILFr @ Oct 9 2006, 02:42 PM)
Sorry?
Alonso is a fast driver. But he is not a team builder like Schumacher. McLaren has got the wrong man if they think he can help them build a winning car.
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And how are u so sure about that? If anything it's still to early to pass judgement on whether he's a team builder.

QUOTE(ILFr @ Oct 9 2006, 02:43 PM)
Angry in private maybe. But not lashing out in public and show total disrespect to your team and team mate.
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I think he was just misintepreted tbh. His comments were made in Spanish and it could have been easily been mistranslated. He voiced his displeasure of his teammate which i think he deserves the right to since Fisi has been very unhelpful most of this season to say the least.
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Well we won't know for sure until we have someone who can speak Spanish explain what he meant with his comments and whether u can classify it as "lashing".

I have criticised Fingerboy in the past, especially in one Brazil race a few years back where his stupidity caused a huge shunt. But on this occasion i would give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Senna was an all out racer
They say no one was quicker than him on a single lap
Prost was more of a thinker and a smoother driver

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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Oct 19 2006, 06:16 PM)
The best case scenario
Kimi win in brazil, which also means he helps alonso to win the WDC, and thus giving Macca the no '1' car next season..........
Gooo Kimi!!!!
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I second that! icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(iRonTech @ Oct 20 2006, 11:50 AM)
tongue.gif  tongue.gif  Hope next year Mclaren like dis year, dint ever win any champion  tongue.gif  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Oct 20 2006, 03:52 PM)
guys, me lazy to search the net.
I'm sure a lot of (not all) McLaren fans agree or don't agree Alonso joining McLaren.
Same thing when Montoya joined McLaren.
(Me personally quite ok with Montoya joining McLaren.
Maybe saw what he did with his Williams...a few GP...nearly got WDC)

Maybe can find a survey to see how many McLaren fans agree or not Alonso joining
McLaren?
Any other infos regarding that would be great.
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I don't really think that's the case. McLaren fans who supported the team before Kimi joined the team most probably won't have any problems accepting Alonso. Sure some might feel unhappy about Kimi joining Ferrari but i think most should be happy that a world champion is replacing him. The Kimi fans on the other hand obviously won't have the incentive to support McLaren anymore so most of them might probably jump ship. And i personally don't think that this group make up the majority of McLaren fans. This is all just my view of course. cool.gif

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