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faris21
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Sep 14 2007, 02:24 AM
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QUOTE McLaren have been excluded from the 2007 constructors' championship and fined US$100 million following Thursday's FIA World Motor Sport Council hearing in Paris. Drivers Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton have not been penalized and are free to continue their fight for the drivers' title.  Alonso still can be triple world champion
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bearbear
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Sep 14 2007, 02:32 AM
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At least still something to cheer about as they can fight for the WDC 100 million fine
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shinjite
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Sep 14 2007, 02:41 AM
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official site also update already.....
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faris21
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Sep 14 2007, 02:49 AM
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QUOTE(bearbear @ Sep 14 2007, 02:32 AM) 100 million fine  McLaren lost much money+many sponsor cabut lari=???? when u not have enuf money,u only can`t maximize testing and car development McLaren have crucial problem soon
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shinjite
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Sep 14 2007, 02:51 AM
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expect next year ferrari domination again
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car_o_scope
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Sep 14 2007, 09:03 AM
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QUOTE(faris21 @ Sep 14 2007, 02:49 AM) McLaren lost much money+many sponsor cabut lari=???? when u not have enuf money,u only can`t maximize testing and car development McLaren have crucial problem soon McLaren is an established team. The team should have funds carried forward from previous seasons, right? It might have caused a bit of problem budget wise but McLaren is a team which uses less money than Ferrari. I just fancy a team which can use less money than the Prancing Horse, like McLaren and Renault, and then beat that team to the title. It just shows that money is not everything in F1.
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verx
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Sep 14 2007, 09:30 AM
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Soshified Madridista
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100 million is no small amount that one can just write off... McLaren's future i must admit is in serious doubt if that is the case... All i can say is that it's another farcical decision by the FIA And where is the transparency? The FIA haven't provided any transcript of the hearing nor has it produced the evidence that they have claimed ruled McLaren to have used the data. It's all very fishy to me. And this quote from P-F1 sums it best QUOTE ...if McLaren have been thrown out for receiving confidential Ferrari material, what is to prevent a double agent causing the expulsion of a rival team in the future?
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alien2003
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Sep 14 2007, 10:40 AM
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10k Club
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QUOTE(verx @ Sep 14 2007, 09:30 AM) 100 million is no small amount that one can just write off... McLaren's future i must admit is in serious doubt if that is the case... All i can say is that it's another farcical decision by the FIA And where is the transparency? The FIA haven't provided any transcript of the hearing nor has it produced the evidence that they have claimed ruled McLaren to have used the data. It's all very fishy to me. And this quote from P-F1 sums it best verx is right. Till now, there aren't any concrete evidence which can prove which part of the data has been used and where it is used on. Sounds like yet another fishy decision from FIA If this stay like this then it will be the end of F1 for me as well. Defiant Dennis maintains Ferrari data was not usedQUOTE McLaren boss Ron Dennis has expressed his frustration at the punishment handed out to his team on Thursday, maintaining that the Ferrari data found in the possession of suspended chief designer Mike Coughlan was never utilized by the team.
In a lengthy statement issued after the FIA's decision to fine McLaren and strip them of their 2007 constructors' points, Dennis insisted his team did not deserve such a penalty and claimed that the World Motor Sport Council hearing had failed to prove a case against them.
He said he could only speculate as to why Coughlan had amassed the Ferrari information in question, and said the FIA would find no problem with McLaren's 2008 car, as the team have never used intellectual property belonging to a rival.
Full statement from Ron Dennis:
"The most important thing is that we will be going motor racing this weekend, the rest of the season and every season. This means that our drivers can continue to compete for the World Championship. However having been at the hearing today I do not accept that we deserved to be penalised in this way.
"Today's evidence given to the FIA by our drivers, engineers and staff clearly demonstrated that we did not use any leaked information to gain a competitive advantage.
"Much has been made in the press and at the hearing today of emails and text messages to and from our drivers. The World Motorsport Council received statements from Fernando Alonso, Lewis Hamilton and Pedro de la Rosa stating categorically that no Ferrari information had been used by McLaren and that they had not passed any confidential data to the team.
"The entire engineering team in excess of 140 people provided statements to the FIA affirming that they had never received or used the Ferrari information.
"We have never denied that the information from Ferrari was in the personal possession of one of our employees at his home. The issue is: was this information used by McLaren? This is not the case and has not been proven today.
"We are also continually asked if McLaren didn't use the information, what was the reason for Stepney and Coughlan collecting all this data about Ferrari? We can only speculate as neither Coughlan nor Stepney gave evidence at today's hearing, but we do know that they were both seeking employment with other teams, as already confirmed by both Honda and Toyota.
"There will be no issue for the 2008 season as we have not at any stage used any intellectual property of any other team.
"We have got the best drivers and the best car and we intend to win the World Championship." http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2007/9/6769.htmlThis post has been edited by alien2003: Sep 14 2007, 10:48 AM
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JonC
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Sep 14 2007, 10:55 AM
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When the going gets tough, the tough gets going. The next season's battle will be a lot more interesting. McLaren will want to prove a point.
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alien2003
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Sep 14 2007, 10:56 AM
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Transcript of the Q&A session with Ron Dennis and Martin Whitmarsh - 13th September 2007QUOTE Following today's World Motor Sport Council hearing in Paris, Ron Dennis, Chairman and CEO of the McLaren Group, and Martin Whitmarsh, COO of the McLaren Group, held a brief press conference. Please find the transcript of the open Q&A session below.
What is your next course of action?
Martin Whitmarsh:"We believe we have got the grounds for an appeal, but of course we are going to wait for the findings of the FIA, which we believe are going to be published tomorrow, and will consider those carefully before we make that decision.
Bearing in mind the precedent that has been set by this, do you feel now that you are the only team in Formula 1 who deserves to be punished for this sort of espionage? Do you feel that there are other teams out there who are doing the same thing and thus should receive the same punishment?
Martin Whitmarsh:"The starting point is we do not believe that we should have been punished in this way. I think today we should just concentrate on this hearing and this situation, not what's happening to other teams."
Do you think FIA president Max Mosley's attitude has changed from the last World Motor Sport Council meeting since the first hearing in July?
Ron Dennis:"I have no comment on that."
What was the new evidence given to the FIA today and the FIA statement says that your drivers are not punished because they helped the FIA to make the truth?
Ron Dennis: "I can tell you that the evidence today was primarily email traffic between our drivers, and in one instance, Mike Coughlan."
Martin Whitmarsh: "As we've said earlier, these were a few emails, and the drivers have stated categorically that no information was passed to the team."
Ron Dennis: "And of course the team had no knowledge of this email traffic at any stage."
How damaging financially is a fine of that size to a company like McLaren?
Ron Dennis: "Firstly, effectively, we will still have as an offset the revenue from the points earned to date. That will probably, effectively half the size of the cheque that we ultimately have to sign, if we ultimately accept this fine. But as you can see if you read our accounts, we turn over roughly $450-500 million a year, and we are debt-free. So obviously we are a very strong company, phenomenal growth."
Would something like today make you consider your future?
Ron Dennis: "My personal future was never in question as far as I was concerned. I'm very committed to this company, I'm very passionate about motor racing, and I have absolutely no intention of retiring. Save for I've made a firm commitment to Martin to succeed me as CEO, and that decision, whenever it's taken, will not have any bearing on today's affair or any other issue of this year."
How is this going to affect the future of your drivers?
Ron Dennis: "We have contracts with both of our drivers, multi-year contracts, and there has been no discussion about varying them. We have two of the best drivers in the world, and our commitment to winning races is undiminished. That's what we exist to do, is to win races. If there is any variation to those contracts, it will be by mutual agreements."
Do you have a feeling after today that the FIA is measuring with two measuring sticks?
Ron Dennis: "I'm not going to make any comment as to the FIA's findings, other than the fact that we are firmly of the opinion that we definitely do not concur with their findings. But until we have all the details from the FIA, it is impossible for me to have a position on it. They've issued the penalties, but they haven't issued the actual findings, and it would be wholly inappropriate for me to make any comment until we have those findings."
- ENDS - http://www.mclaren.com/latestnews/mclaren.phpThis post has been edited by alien2003: Sep 14 2007, 10:58 AM
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shinjite
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Sep 14 2007, 11:01 AM
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After reading this article -> http://doctorvee.co.uk/2007/07/28/why-yest...is-good-for-f1/FIA and ferrari can go to hell......
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verx
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Sep 14 2007, 11:06 AM
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Soshified Madridista
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That article is based on the first verdict. I wonder what the writer/blogger must be thinking now in light of the new one
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shinjite
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Sep 14 2007, 11:16 AM
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that we have to wait for the FIA to say I want to know what new "evidence" they got.....that is the interesting part
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linkinstreet
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Sep 14 2007, 12:47 PM
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Red Bull Addict
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the evidence will be released tomorrow, and based on that Mercedes and McLaren will decide wheter or not to appeal. Makes you wonder why the 2 former Ferrari employess that leaked secret to Toyota was never charged...
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verx
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Sep 14 2007, 01:08 PM
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Soshified Madridista
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The 2 former employees were charged...but it was all done off the scene without all the hoopla of the current case. And you have to wonder why. Ferrari will find it extremely hard to justify what they did this year allowing things to escalate to the level it is now. Even Eddie Jordan said that in an interview. There is only one reason i can think of: to win the titles off the track. I doubt there would be as much controversy as now if the team implicated was a Spyker or a Red Bull.
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linkinstreet
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Sep 14 2007, 01:13 PM
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Red Bull Addict
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bah, they can't even make a car that last 10 laps these days
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caviars
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Sep 14 2007, 02:33 PM
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Whatever FIA ruling is, there is still room for appeal. Maybe McLaren will receive lesser fine or get deducted points for this and next few years. Good thing is the drivers are safe and can stil compete for world championship.
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linkinstreet
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Sep 14 2007, 04:07 PM
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Red Bull Addict
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I doubt it. Mosley hates the guts of Run Dennis. We still have to wait on what the real evidence used
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beck_ken
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Sep 14 2007, 04:45 PM
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100M! that's not small amount (may be small amount for Roman, hahaha), but 100M, how many years of sponsorship only can earn back that amount? They are in deep shit situation....
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alien2003
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Sep 14 2007, 04:53 PM
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QUOTE(beck_ken @ Sep 14 2007, 04:45 PM) 100M! that's not small amount (may be small amount for Roman, hahaha), but 100M, how many years of sponsorship only can earn back that amount? They are in deep shit situation.... Here is what Ron Dennis said about the fine  QUOTE(alien2003 @ Sep 14 2007, 10:56 AM) Transcript of the Q&A session with Ron Dennis and Martin Whitmarsh - 13th September 2007QUOTE How damaging financially is a fine of that size to a company like McLaren?
Ron Dennis: "Firstly, effectively, we will still have as an offset the revenue from the points earned to date. That will probably, effectively half the size of the cheque that we ultimately have to sign, if we ultimately accept this fine. But as you can see if you read our accounts, we turn over roughly $450-500 million a year, and we are debt-free. So obviously we are a very strong company, phenomenal growth." http://www.mclaren.com/latestnews/mclaren.php
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