100M is ntg for big companies like mcclaren which now ahve the whole birtish supporting them thus emrchandising

Formula One's governing body, the FIA, has revealed the full extent of the new spygate' evidence that prompted them to hit McLaren with a record fine and exclude them from the 2007 constructors' championship.

The evidence includes details of email and text message exchanges given to the FIA through written statements by McLaren test pilot Pedro de la Rosa and their double world champion driver Fernando Alonso.

De la Rosa, in particular, seems to have had regular contact with Mike Coughlan, the ex-McLaren chief designer who has confirmed that he received a dossier of secret Ferrari information from Nigel Stepney a former mechanic for the Italian team.

An FIA press release on Friday said: "The e-mails show unequivocally that both Mr. Alonso and Mr. de la Rosa received confidential Ferrari information via Coughlan; that both drivers knew that this information was confidential Ferrari information and that both knew that the information was being received by Coughlan from Stepney."

In one exchange between the two De La Rosa asks Coughlan, in a clear reference to Ferrari's all-red livery: "Hi Mike, do you know the Red Car's weight distribution? It would be important for us to know so that we could try it in the simulator. Thanks in advance, Pedro.
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De La Rosa confirmed to the FIA that Coughlan sent him the required information via test message and he then forwarded it on to Alonso by email.

Similar exchanges between the three men took place regarding aerodynamics, tyre gas, braking systems and stopping strategy.

In addition the FIA has revealed the full amount of correspondence between Coughlan and Stepney, some of it taking place before the dossier of information was found by Italian police at Coughlan's house.

The statement reads: "The Italian police have identified logs which show 23 e-mails passed between Coughlan and Stepney between 1 March and 14 April 2007."

In total, at least 288 SMS messages and 35 telephone calls appear to have passed between Stepney and Coughlan between 11 March and 3 July 2007.

"In light of the number and timing of the communications between Coughlan and Stepney and the e-mail exchanges between the McLaren drivers, the WMSC regards it as reasonable to infer that Coughlan was in receipt of a flow of confidential Ferrari information from Stepney and that at least some of that information was communicated to others within McLaren."

Looks like there are celebration in the ferrari thread like there is no tomorrow

8.4 McLaren has made detailed submissions indicating that none of the information received enhanced the McLaren car. McLaren has suggested to the WMSC that unless "actual use" and a demonstrated and itemised performance advantage can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt (i.e. to a criminal law standard of proof), the WMSC is not permitted at law to impose a penalty.

8.5 The WMSC rejects this suggestion. The WMSC has full jurisdiction to apply Article 151(C) and stresses that it is not necessary for it to demonstrate that any confidential Ferrari information was directly copied by McLaren or put to direct use in the McLaren car to justify a finding that Article 151(C) was breached and/or that a penalty is merited. Nor does the WMSC need to show that any information improperly held led to any specifically identified sporting advantage, or indeed any advantage at all. Rather, the WMSC is entitled to treat possession of another team's information as an offence meriting a penalty on its own if it so chooses.

I've read the whole document and I have to say what a load of rubbish.
McLaren should take the FIA to civil court.
The new evidence had nothing about the dossier. It was about technical information about the characteristics about Ferrari's car like weight distribution which is frankly useless to us.

The tyre gas seems an interesting point. Isn't Bridgestone suppose to give all teams equal treatment? How come Ferrari are the only ones using the gas? And why aren't we allowed to experiment the gas then?

The aero parts: they could prove nothing so they do alot of speculation. Retarded. Nuff said. Same with the brake system.

The fact is all this info were passed voluntarily by a Ferrari employee at that time. If it were any other team they would have also accepted it with both hands seeing as they have found themselves in an advantageous position. Almost every team have some sort of mole in other teams.

But the FIA couldn't prove that we used a single piece of those info on our car. So what do they do? This:

There ladies and gentlemen, the FIA has officially shot themselves in the foot. So possession of any info about any other team regardless whether it gives u a sporting advantage is deemed an offence. Let's see.....wouldn't that implicate every single F1 team on the grid?

What a bunch of idiots.

lol, actually all along I've been pointing out that those are the info McLaren can get, weight distribution.

Ferrari knew b'stone tires characteristic, weight distribution says alot if not everything on how to optimize a tire. How did Renault dominated last season? It's their weight distribution that gives them alot of mechanical grip, that makes them a superman off the start line. Weight distribution have everything to do with performance right down to tire wear rate.

This year, Renault got theirs wrong, and look at where they are. If Renault had Ferrari's weight distribution, I'll bet that they could have done better than BMW (unless BMW got Ferrari's weight distribution too) without Alonso. With Alonso, they'd probably be fighting for championship wins.

This is just for the record, I'm not implying anything. Weight distribution is an important factor in a F1 car performance. It's not useless.

You don't understand what I'm trying to say. I didn't say weight distribution is useless. I know very well the importance of it. BUT another car's weight distribution has no use on a different car design. There's just no way u can simply adjust your weight distribution based on another car's one without redesigning the whole thing. That's what i meant that it was useless to us. So what if we knew what their weight distribution was? It's not like we could apply it in our car.

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Added on September 15, 2007, 12:07 pmMcLaren are being made scapegoat for something that has been in F1 for a very long time. And the FIA have the guts to make it sound like it's a surprise to them; like they had no idea these types of things were going on.

Since the Italian police were so eager digging all this up. Someone should issue a challenge for them. Dig every single SMS or email from every team. I guarantee you there is more juice to be found.

There's a possibility of developing the car around it, as the distribution may heavily depends on the characteristic of the tires. Since everyone now is on the same tires, they could all use a good weight distribution as a reference point, to say at least.

The fact is the car had already be designed since last year. You can't just change your weight distribution with a snap of the fingers. Your point would be acceptable for next year's car for example. But the FIA has already mentioned they will scrutinise our '08 car so i don't think u have to worry about that.

I mean the development of current car. The cars are being developed all the time, and there is a possibility to develop it towards a new weight distribution. After all that's how every team does with new tires that they don't know about. Something has to change.

And like I mention before, I'm not implying that McLaren cheated, else I wouldn't had posted it here. I'm just saying there's a possibility to gain from other team's info, like the weight distribution, and I believe it's a very useful piece of information other team wants, generally speaking.