QUOTE(Artus @ Aug 7 2014, 11:53 PM)
no but thanks for pointing it out25 and Bankrupt (I need guidance)
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QUOTE(mrlonely78 @ Aug 8 2014, 11:55 AM) ok here is my story.. Sometimes I wonder why so many people get into deeper and deeper problems when the initial problem was a small one. I suppose many simply chose to ignore the problem and refused to deal with it. What are they hoping for that would happen? That a debt is magically forgiven? i graduated on 2001, so after that, i help my parents refinance house, so my name become the main loaner while my mom as 2nd name. in 2004, they stop servicing the loan, that time, the bank is southern bank. then southern bank bought by bbmb (bumiputra commerce), then to cimb. so during this time, i dont know about this, even at 2009, i still can get housing loan on my own and 2010 a credit card on my own. then i think end 2010, i try to get personal loan, so during this time, suddenly bank reject the application. than only i know about this unpaid loan on the property. so i go to bank negara and print my ccris, and contact the bank and meet the offcer. i try to nego for them to allow me take charge to pay back on monthy installment, but bak said, cannot as this debt is too old already. so they ask me to pay lump sump of rm90k the house bought only rm40k, but now need to pay rm90k. then the bank advised me to get someone to buy the house with a new loan, but no one able to do that. so i tell my parents and they promise to settle this. so the issue left untouched until 2011, suddenly i see my bank account balanced become 0. so i contact the bank and bank said, bank negara instruction to freezed my account and all my money paid to jim. they said i am bankrupt now. so i went to jim. then they interview me, and etc, fill up declaration form how much to pay to them on monthly basis, income, expenses, loan i have, company i have etc. they also telling me that the house loan that cause me bankrupt is now bank claimed at RM150k (with all interest etc). during this time, jim said will not touch my own house (loan i start on 2009), as its only house i got, however, its up to the bank to decide if they still allow me to serve the loan or they will take it back as i already bankrupt. however my credit card or car loan and all, they will stop as i cant have it due to bankrupt rules. so they will settle the credit card for me using the monthly payment i paid to jim. they will also communicate with all the bank i have loan or account with to inform them to collect any payment due to jim. so i stop my credit card, car loan, however my house loan i still serve. then on 2012, suddenly after i served my home loan for a year after bankrupt, then bank dont want to accept my payment anymore, they said their legal dept said this is not right. they plan to take my house as well, so this has cause me big problem now. on which i decide that the only way to stop all this is by settle the issue fast. i have 3 months before bank start to serve me final notice about unpaid loan. to be continue ... Instead of meeting with bank officers to renegotiate the loan or to visit AKPK, these people would just simply chuck away every letter from the bank that they have received. |
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Aug 8 2014, 05:43 PM
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PLT = LLP?
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Aug 8 2014, 05:54 PM
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Aug 8 2014, 06:31 PM
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QUOTE(Artus @ Aug 8 2014, 04:14 PM) Sometimes I wonder why so many people get into deeper and deeper problems when the initial problem was a small one. I suppose many simply chose to ignore the problem and refused to deal with it. What are they hoping for that would happen? That a debt is magically forgiven? I personally think Malaysian need to educate themselves on proper financial planning. And even though I didn't blame my parents for what I'm going through, they are however in my eyes, are poor at financial planning. Our family, excluding me has this overly optimistic kind of mindset. They think that problems somehow, will easily solved (especially on our financial situation). I guess part of them are in denial that we're hitting rock bottom. I, on the other hand more of a realist. Hence thats why, I'm doing all the search for guidance and advices and do it all alone, because I know if I were to just rely on them, things will remain as it is, or worst. Instead of meeting with bank officers to renegotiate the loan or to visit AKPK, these people would just simply chuck away every letter from the bank that they have received. And I think most people who end up being bankrupt, somehow started from a point where they never thought things will be as bad as this. Instead of ignorance, I think most of us simply unaware on how bad things can become from a simple financial issue. |
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Aug 8 2014, 06:32 PM
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QUOTE(mrlonely78 @ Aug 8 2014, 11:55 AM) ok here is my story.. Thank you for sharing us your story. What happened next? Are your out from the predicament or still trying to solve it?i graduated on 2001, so after that, i help my parents refinance house, so my name become the main loaner while my mom as 2nd name. in 2004, they stop servicing the loan, that time, the bank is southern bank. then southern bank bought by bbmb (bumiputra commerce), then to cimb. so during this time, i dont know about this, even at 2009, i still can get housing loan on my own and 2010 a credit card on my own. then i think end 2010, i try to get personal loan, so during this time, suddenly bank reject the application. than only i know about this unpaid loan on the property. so i go to bank negara and print my ccris, and contact the bank and meet the offcer. i try to nego for them to allow me take charge to pay back on monthy installment, but bak said, cannot as this debt is too old already. so they ask me to pay lump sump of rm90k the house bought only rm40k, but now need to pay rm90k. then the bank advised me to get someone to buy the house with a new loan, but no one able to do that. so i tell my parents and they promise to settle this. so the issue left untouched until 2011, suddenly i see my bank account balanced become 0. so i contact the bank and bank said, bank negara instruction to freezed my account and all my money paid to jim. they said i am bankrupt now. so i went to jim. then they interview me, and etc, fill up declaration form how much to pay to them on monthly basis, income, expenses, loan i have, company i have etc. they also telling me that the house loan that cause me bankrupt is now bank claimed at RM150k (with all interest etc). during this time, jim said will not touch my own house (loan i start on 2009), as its only house i got, however, its up to the bank to decide if they still allow me to serve the loan or they will take it back as i already bankrupt. however my credit card or car loan and all, they will stop as i cant have it due to bankrupt rules. so they will settle the credit card for me using the monthly payment i paid to jim. they will also communicate with all the bank i have loan or account with to inform them to collect any payment due to jim. so i stop my credit card, car loan, however my house loan i still serve. then on 2012, suddenly after i served my home loan for a year after bankrupt, then bank dont want to accept my payment anymore, they said their legal dept said this is not right. they plan to take my house as well, so this has cause me big problem now. on which i decide that the only way to stop all this is by settle the issue fast. i have 3 months before bank start to serve me final notice about unpaid loan. to be continue ... |
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QUOTE(NeedGuidance @ Aug 7 2014, 10:00 PM) I could not thank you enough for your kind effort on guiding me. Looking forward to hear whats your friend going to say about this. Another angle you may consider would be to speak with a rep or mp from a local political parties? Perhaps you can ask yr dad or any of your relatives who might know so and so. Its a long shot but you never can know unless you've exhausted all means.Local political parties? Is that even possible...... From your responses so far, I'm guessing there's not a whole lot of communication going on within your family (correct me if I'm wrong). First thing to solve any problems is to start the communication lines open and plan them. Speak to your dad whom I assume was running things before this happens and find out what are his plans. The individual suing your company, is there possibility of out of court settlement to get him to withdraw the suit? Please please warn your family never to get money from ah longs, I cannot stress them enough. My neighbour had to leave to his hometown in terengganu just to run away from them. And remember, there is always an end to a problem, you just have to keep going and trust the higher power to get you through this hellhole. |
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Aug 8 2014, 10:17 PM
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QUOTE(NeedGuidance @ Aug 8 2014, 06:31 PM) I personally think Malaysian need to educate themselves on proper financial planning. And even though I didn't blame my parents for what I'm going through, they are however in my eyes, are poor at financial planning. Our family, excluding me has this overly optimistic kind of mindset. They think that problems somehow, will easily solved (especially on our financial situation). I guess part of them are in denial that we're hitting rock bottom. I, on the other hand more of a realist. Hence thats why, I'm doing all the search for guidance and advices and do it all alone, because I know if I were to just rely on them, things will remain as it is, or worst. Your parents probably have never heard of Murphy's Law:And I think most people who end up being bankrupt, somehow started from a point where they never thought things will be as bad as this. Instead of ignorance, I think most of us simply unaware on how bad things can become from a simple financial issue. "Anything that can go wrong will go wrong." If they have heard of that adage before, they would have registered a Sdn. Bhd. instead of an enterprise, and never have taken a very expensive loan. Personal loans are usually very costly and should not have been taken. |
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Aug 8 2014, 10:47 PM
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1. Parents are ok financially, and leave you something (or a lot).
2. Parents bring you up, leave you not much. Find your own way. Neutral. Ok. Acceptable. 3. Parents clock up debt, and YOU have to pay for it. <bleep, bleep, words censored> (3) should not happen really, but it does. |
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QUOTE(NeedGuidance @ Aug 7 2014, 03:41 PM) I've talked to the CFO and HR of the company I'm currently working with, and they've agreed to give me cash cheque for my monthly salary until I could resolve on this matter.. do not allow that to happen, when you are scared anything you thought or did not thought will take shape. be brave and ride it out I was planning to visit JIM and to find a way to handle this, but I would like to think I'm still young and just to scared to face it alone. And thats why I am asking for some guidance here at LYN.. Thank you for your reply. I'll ask the OA about the re-view of bankrupt status. |
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Aug 9 2014, 04:28 PM
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Please see the jim. Otherwise You will never have the solution to get out of this ... Only jim can help you. Unless you have the money to pay the full amount to clear the debt ...
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QUOTE(NeedGuidance @ Aug 8 2014, 06:31 PM) I personally think Malaysian need to educate themselves on proper financial planning. And even though I didn't blame my parents for what I'm going through, they are however in my eyes, are poor at financial planning. Our family, excluding me has this overly optimistic kind of mindset. They think that problems somehow, will easily solved (especially on our financial situation). I guess part of them are in denial that we're hitting rock bottom. I, on the other hand more of a realist. Hence thats why, I'm doing all the search for guidance and advices and do it all alone, because I know if I were to just rely on them, things will remain as it is, or worst. This I agree. A lot of people who I have knew that has gone bankrupt, does not understand how it is like to be bankrupt before it happened. More people should listen to others' experiences more so that they can learn from it and avoid making similar mistakes. In many cases it all started as a small problem with a relatively small debt.And I think most people who end up being bankrupt, somehow started from a point where they never thought things will be as bad as this. Instead of ignorance, I think most of us simply unaware on how bad things can become from a simple financial issue. |
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1. for your car - got somebody close (frens/relatives) to buy it over from you and repay them monthly. you x wan it to get towed away when you finished the hp service. A bankrupt x own property.
2. for your debt - seek jim IMMEDIATELY for clearer pictures/indications/solutions. It may let u know how & what to do & plan for your next 5 - 10 yrs. 3. your brother - small business to earn living is permissible. In few years time with your brother & urs total income, to settle the 60k loan is easy as the money value depreciate. |
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wow, i learnt a lot from this. TQ
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do u have any asset that can be liquid? use that to get money and pay the debt...
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QUOTE(mrlonely78 @ Aug 8 2014, 11:55 AM) ok here is my story.. Why suddenly can go bankrupt without notice? Do you update your contact with your bank?i graduated on 2001, so after that, i help my parents refinance house, so my name become the main loaner while my mom as 2nd name. in 2004, they stop servicing the loan, that time, the bank is southern bank. then southern bank bought by bbmb (bumiputra commerce), then to cimb. so during this time, i dont know about this, even at 2009, i still can get housing loan on my own and 2010 a credit card on my own. then i think end 2010, i try to get personal loan, so during this time, suddenly bank reject the application. than only i know about this unpaid loan on the property. so i go to bank negara and print my ccris, and contact the bank and meet the offcer. i try to nego for them to allow me take charge to pay back on monthy installment, but bak said, cannot as this debt is too old already. so they ask me to pay lump sump of rm90k the house bought only rm40k, but now need to pay rm90k. then the bank advised me to get someone to buy the house with a new loan, but no one able to do that. so i tell my parents and they promise to settle this. so the issue left untouched until 2011, suddenly i see my bank account balanced become 0. so i contact the bank and bank said, bank negara instruction to freezed my account and all my money paid to jim. they said i am bankrupt now. so i went to jim. then they interview me, and etc, fill up declaration form how much to pay to them on monthly basis, income, expenses, loan i have, company i have etc. they also telling me that the house loan that cause me bankrupt is now bank claimed at RM150k (with all interest etc). during this time, jim said will not touch my own house (loan i start on 2009), as its only house i got, however, its up to the bank to decide if they still allow me to serve the loan or they will take it back as i already bankrupt. however my credit card or car loan and all, they will stop as i cant have it due to bankrupt rules. so they will settle the credit card for me using the monthly payment i paid to jim. they will also communicate with all the bank i have loan or account with to inform them to collect any payment due to jim. so i stop my credit card, car loan, however my house loan i still serve. then on 2012, suddenly after i served my home loan for a year after bankrupt, then bank dont want to accept my payment anymore, they said their legal dept said this is not right. they plan to take my house as well, so this has cause me big problem now. on which i decide that the only way to stop all this is by settle the issue fast. i have 3 months before bank start to serve me final notice about unpaid loan. to be continue ... |
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