QUOTE(sharp56 @ Dec 13 2017, 01:34 PM)
Can anyone enlighten me on the change interval of Shell Helix High Mileage 15W-50 engine oil - 5,000, 8,000 or 10,000 km?
Follow your car's maintenance schedule.Engine Oil Reviews/Technical talk v2, Everything Automotive lubricants/fluids
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QUOTE(kidmad @ Dec 8 2017, 02:38 PM) Stop using Shell Helix if you can opt for other brands like Liqui Moly, Wruth, Torco. Even if you want to get those big brand names you should be going for something like Castrol. Saying Shell is good... ahem very obvious it's not. Most engine oils with the same specifications (same weight, synthetic type) performs the same. Check if API-SN, then followed by Manufacturer's approval. Like ACEA, ILSAC or Manufacturer spec (Eg:Mercedes) fill. If two different brands of oil withe same rating, like Shell Helix Ultra 5w40 or Mobil 1 5w40. Both should perform similar. Even there is any difference, it will be no more than 1% |
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QUOTE(kidmad @ Dec 13 2017, 09:00 PM) The additive is different. and that's what made them better. LM ceratec, MoS2 those are the additive which will smothen your ride by miles. Pouring the engine oil out from the bottle itself differs. They are greyish dark color engine oil and some are green in color. Additive is different but the base makeup of these additives are the same. They all buy from a handful of suppliersPouring engine oil from the bottle would never tell you how good an engine oil is. Color does not make any oil perform differently, that itself is an additive to make the color |
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QUOTE(kidmad @ Dec 14 2017, 02:15 PM) If possible do show proof that it is better?Where are the dyno charts to show more power? Or Vibration meter to identify smoother engine? Engine mic for quieter engine? The question you asked was, have I used it before? I have owned more than 7 cars. Used from Pennzoil (USA), Eneos (sustina), M1, Shell and Castrol EDGE. None of the oils I've tested had any noticeable difference. If LM can make better oils, why dont they advertise as such? Like, "we make more power than M1" or "we are 30% smoother than Castrol Edge". All oils are similar in specifications (especially for normal use). For racing, then that is a different type of fish. Then you probably need thicker oils, ester-based oils or higher additive packages. Do correct me if I am wrong. I would really like to learn if there are real proof to show that some oils are better than the others. |
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Dec 14 2017, 04:14 PM) wkc5657 's post ExactlyAnd again, all I'm asking is to stay relevant and technical instead of paying placebos/feel/butt Dyno, whatever you want to call it. And to humor you a bit with some googling http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbth...938#Post4185938 |
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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Jun 15 2018, 06:39 AM) Changing more often is overkill but it is the car owner's money.Its like the engine oil. Synthetics can go (easily) 12k to 20k km between oil change, you still see people changing when it turns black or lesser than 7k km. Following the owner's manual is the best advice. If owner's manual says, Japanese cars change their tranmission oil every 5 years or 100,000 km. I think to be on the safe side, 4.5 years and 80k km would be more than enough Most Japanese and Korean cars do not use synthetics from factory, so their service interval is every 6 months. The best part is, from factory, they only require mineral oil. Is synthetics better? Sure. More protection during start up and if you want to extend the service interval (or it is for an old low mileage car) |
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QUOTE(dk999 @ Jun 15 2018, 10:21 PM) So according 7th gen Accord manual my eo change 10k n filter 20k it's safe to follow? Follow the manual. If you want to show more love to your car, service 10-20% earlier.And atf is 100k km or if severe 40k km. When u mean factory not using synthetic is for eo only right? Atf should be using the standard atf. I'm asking because now used amsoil atf which said to double the atf interval which should be 200k km on normal driving. I travel highway mostly so it's not severe but 200 k km does seem very long. It confuses us consumer because 4s used different interval and outside workshop use their own interval, it seems many people will change much more often than manual. Engineers designed, build and tested your car, trust them |
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QUOTE(dopamine @ Jun 16 2018, 10:49 PM) Hi guys which type and brandof engine oil are suitable for honda Jazz 1.4l Y2003 and Honda CR-V 2.4 Y2014? Are fully synth 5W-20 are sufficient enough? Or should I go further lighter? Kindly seek your enlightenment. Thank you. Jazz and CRV, the cheapest mineral oil by any big brand names (Shell, Mobil, Petronas, etc). Get 5w30 or 10w30 is fineNo synthetics needed for normal (non luxury/performance) Japanese car |
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QUOTE(chemistry @ Jun 19 2018, 02:59 AM) Shell Helix Ultra These three are right spec (and big name oils), should be good for Mercs.Castrol Edge Mobil 1 This 3 names should have the relevant approval from MB. Not sure 229.3 or 229.5. Petronas Syntium 3000E is also good. Are you using this? Castrol Edge is 229.3 Mobil1 depending on which some are 229.5 Shell Ultra is 229.5 W205 only needs 229.3 |
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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Jun 19 2018, 11:03 AM) The only REAL proper way of changing ATF is using a "dialysis" machine, to suck up and refill at the same time with the correct pressure and temperature. Not many workshops have this kind of machine. Interesting points! I do agree that some cars are made to have a life cycle in mind.A normal drain releases about half of the ATF, up to 40% can be left inside the torque converter module. If the old ATF already very badly degraded, any new fluid's additives will be "eaten up" within a month, so need a lot of drain and refill to really change the ATF. Better just go look for the dialysis process type to save your money and effort. In current times, this statement of yours can start to get skeptical. Car makes now designs cars to last just around a product lifecycle, which is around 7 to 8 years reliably. Beyond that, pretty much on your luck and some planned preventative maintenance. Because any longer than that, is quite a waste of resources as over engineering = additional costs. Car makes now have the inherent "ploy" for users to change cars more frequently. Gone are the days of really reliable, hard wearing workhorses, and easily maintained mechanical layout planning. Do you realise that ATF fluid dip stick are getting rarer in recently released cars? Do you realise the term of "lifetime/maintenance free" start popping out? Do you realise that the engine bay is getting more messed up and more inaccessible compared to cars of past 1 or 2 decades ago? Car makes are indirectly causing consumers to spend more on cars and hence can make more money. To be frank, the really long extended maintenance intervals is some what part of the "ploy" i mentioned earlier. Let the car run at the barest minimum maintenance standards so it will "break down" around the time of car change. This trend is more obvious on non asian brands, but even beloved asian car makes are going into this direction. Well, i guess drivers themselves are partly to blame as they want hassle free motoring without the hassle of thinking about maintenance. Small part break down, change the whole module/set; break down bad enough, just change whole car. This also explains why subscription based motoring is gaining traction. ATF is sealed nowadays, and for good reason, one of such reason is keeping the moisture out. As ATF is hyper-sensitive towards water Cars engine bays being more packed is an inherent design to improve weight distribution and add more technology (be it turbo, or electrical motors). Is it harder to service? Sure. But technology moves that way, look at the lovely Nokia 3310, removable everything (from case to battery to buttons). If they were to do it for say iphone X, would the phone be 1 inch taller and 1 inch wider and carries a huge lip for future serviceability? You are right that planned obsolescence is here. But, if you want a car to look good, and have all the tech and safety features you have today, price to pay for moving forward? Back to ATF, yes, following the service manual is minimum (and recommended), should you want to change it at any mileage (earlier) would be better. Kinda like changing your smartphone batteries yearly, is it better? Yea, but is it cost effective? No one knows. |
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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Jun 19 2018, 02:38 PM) I have a differing perspective, engineering and ingenuity can come hand in hand. Just whether how much willingness for repair-ability was engineered during product design and R&D. Yes, the reason for shorter span of ownership is......But i guess due to the common "industrial practices" and the need for cheap, simplified and quick assembly/manufacturing process, (and even more so to cut cost), things are now built for complete replacement instead of repairs in mind. In the end of the day, manufacturers no longer equate quality to long lasting. The quantum for quality for consumers now shifts to user touch points/tactality, ease of use, and some form of geeky-ness. In short, more of the surface points to have the first wow effect to attract the consumer. Product/brand loyalty is getting shorter as choices more abound now. Good side is that consumer have more choices, manufacturers compete on the edge for even better offerings, product have more/better features. Downside is, more wastages or rubbish created as things obsoletes faster than ever. Even car lifecycles have shorten a little and approaching towards 6+ years. For example, my family still uses a really old National microwave/convection oven that is currently over 30 years old. All the function still works despite the surface has yellowed quite noticeably. It even survived a horrible "bugs fest" after some food was absent minded-ly left there for almost a month and left to fester. It still survived the ordeal after a thorough wipe down inside. Rise of the generation X and Y, soon Gen Z. These guys love shiny new things. There used to be a time where people keep their jobs for life, but the younger generation dont. Ah well, signs of times have change |
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QUOTE(Left4Dead2 @ Jun 22 2018, 09:54 AM) I'm looking to upgrade from Petronas Synthium 800 SE 10W-30 (Semi Synthetic) to following (Fully Synthetic) for my Saga VVT, which one better If you want better economy use the Petronas you listedPetronas Synthium 3000 SE 5W 30 Shell HELIX ULTRA 5W-40 If you want protection and extended service interval, Shell |
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 27 2018, 04:32 PM) % unknown. yes. Semi synthetics are always dodgy as there is no standard in the market today to say, if it is 10% syn or 80% syn vs. 90% mineral or 20% mineral respectively.never been disclosed by sellers/manufacturers also. so personally, semi is what i would avoid. Use either synthetics (if you want the best protection), use mineral if you want adequate protection |
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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Jun 28 2018, 02:05 PM) 0w20 naturally a little noisier/louder/harsher that xw30 and xw40. Just watch out for excessive oil consumption. I thought, the right way should be, warm engine to Operating temp, then let it sit for 5-10 mins, then measure?Check it next morning when the engine is cool, that will show the proper indication. Measuring after cooling all night, may mean that you may top up too much oil. Because all the oil is at the sump. If oil on dipstick is at MAX after cooling all night, your car is slightly overfilled (engine may run rougher as the oil pressure is slightly higher) If oil is between MAX and mid point of MAX/MIN, you car is fine (but, the better reading is post engine warm up) Do correct me if I am wrong |
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QUOTE(ipohzeng @ Jul 9 2018, 02:14 PM) Hi, would like to get some advice. Have vios ncp92 since 2013 with 80k mileage. Tried first round with Eneos 5w30 semi. want try full synth. Mineral oils would suffice for a Vios engine. If you rev more, then get the semi-syn ones.Any recommendation for normal driving? (no high revving etc). Was doing normal city driving and now new job need to travel for audit quite frequently. Saw this shell ultra 5w40 but some bad and some good review. Will this be thick for 5 year old car? Looking balance performance (fc and power) Thanks! Shell Helix Ultra would be overkill for your car, but if money is no biggie, get it. It is one of the best mass market oils out there |
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