Subaru... darn lansi, cannot test drive their WRX or STI.

Evo X now cost RM 330K. Way out of my budget.

PM zenockl85 la... i am sure he can fix you up with something...

do they even have test drive models or not first? if dun have then there is nothing you can do about it la...

but if they have... sometimes they don't want to attend to you because they think you are just there for a joyride... happened to my friend once before trying to test drive other cars (was trying to test drive the clio rs without any intention to buy it at all)... they were right at that point la... maybe his face already told them his true intentions...

Dude, have u sat in a re-chipped triton b4? It's no problem at all winning those traffic lights drag against a stock golf gti. Last time a triton was able to keep up with my 200+hp rb20 from 40-80+kmh.

Their sprint to 100-ish is absolutely mind-bogging but of course, just like what you've mentioned, they'll struggle after that. And their body-roll is damn scary too.

Are you listening to yourself?

A pickup truck to make the century sprint at 6.5sec?

You'd need to spend A LOT to make that happen with a pickup truck, which isn't the point of this thread, is it?

Who ask you to buy new
Used EVO X is like 160k 170k nowadays
But err if you know nothing about car getting an EVO X is not exactly the most clever thing to do
Beside knowing the car itself,you also have to know how to drive to enjoy it(How to take racing line,control understeer/oversteer,weight transfer etc)
Not to mention performance car consumable are more costly(18" performance tyre,brake pad for Brembo,SST oil etc etc)

OK OK... no Evo for me (too hardcore).. looks like I am leaning towards the Golf GTI most likely the Tech Spec. It is a good entry level car for a noob like me who wish to partake in a more exhilarating drive.

I thought you are going for a pickup turbodiesel?
The GTi is a great car. But it's down on horsepower compared to the others. But it's the most usable and mature looking.

Focus ST is better if pure driving experience is what you want. The best is, pf course the Megane 265. But u have to accept the cheap looking interior.

This post has been edited by dtna7: Jul 10 2014, 10:31 PM

My initial wants is a high performance car with exceptional road handling. My question wrt turbo diesel pick up was more of curiosity because when I look at the performance numbers they are the same, with half the price of GTI or WRX. So it got me thinking whether can one replicate that kind of driving pleasure with those pick up. Of course now I know it cannot.

Hmmmm, wrt Focus ST, yeah, it can be considered as well. Btw GTI and ST, which gives a better road handling? E.g less body roll when taking fast corners, more stable etc....

I have also read about Suzuki Swift excellent road handling.... If she can be just as good as the GTI, then I may consider, I don't need fast car, because of our traffic speed limit. What I need is a zippy car that can take corner well, minimum body roll, good accelaration, not sluggish.

Thanks in advance for your advise.

u can try testdrive swift sport, it is a lot more cheaper and very good handling at corners. But this car is not fast enough la

Fast is moot point if one is not ever going to the track. Being fast on our road is inviting traffic summons, which I have no intention of getting it. Hence fast is not high on my priority list, but good handling, good acceleration (power & torgue), good fc numbers are high on my priority list.

Yeah, I will definitely check out Swift 1.6 sport variant this weekend.

Again from a non-hardcore motor sport enthusiast, why spend RM 200K or more if I can find a similar car that cost half of it and still give one the same performance or slightly lower. Again, I am thinking from a reasonable man perspective, not from a fan-boy perspective.

I could use the money saved to mod the car should I chose to.

then just a mundane point a to b car la

anything that's exhilarating/spirited driving WILL involve traffic summons.

80/110kph is achieved in 10-15 seconds +/- even on mundane point a to b car.
even a friggin kancil 660 manual can do that without much sweat
and *MOST* cars can deal 80/110kph cornering/speeding with ease.

so yea, non hardcore? dont want summons? go get the cheapest proton saga or perodua myvi. it'll fit your needs.
whatever saved go mod TRD, put super huge gt wing spoiler, get beng hid/led/wheels voila done.

wow.... you are all over the place...

like quazacolt says... anycar is capable of breaking the speed limit nowadays.... and as for how fast can a car go... it depends highly how much the driver values his own life...

of course, the GTi is not a bad handling car.. but when it comes down to other cars in market... it is not the best... it does make up for it in better ride qualities and stuff....

as for the suzuki swift sport... that is a cheap car looking from comparing it with the golf GTi... but, really... once you've seen it.... you'd think twice before spending RM100k on that car.. the golf might be twice that value, but at least you get your worth when you buy that... and worst, the SSS is not really a whole lot fast in terms of acceleration, if you place it side by side a GTi...

so, your needs are just covering a whole lot of area... what you need to is prioritize what is your wants and needs such as price, value, performance-handling, performance-acceleration, looks, quality and etc...

what it feels now is that you are looking for a cheap car which can does everything from the handling of a lotus elise, to the acceleration of the R35 to the ride comfort of a Maybach and cost no more than a honda civic.. which evidently doesn't quite exist in this world..

so, you need to tie down your requirements in order to filter the list of cars in the market...

Thanks, it is darn hard to get a good car, I hope you understand my predicament. I love to enjoy the pleasure of driving but I do not wish to pay a king's ransom for it. Mine is hard earned money and I want to stretch it.

But thanks to all of you guys for engaging me in my banter... through you folks I learn so much more about car. I'll still lurk around this forum and learn more until I find something I like. I am in no hurry, it is after all, a hobby buy.

Dude, stop using those useless data provided by manufacturer. Are u saying a pickup able to keep up with my rb20 is an illusion?

Do u think u can get consistently 6.5sec on the street? I've sat in a chipped MK5 b4, yes it's damn fast due to the DSG.

A unichip-ed /alphatech-ed(which is just a rm2-4K) triton/hilux/ranger is producing arnd 200+ hp too, maybe even more. So u think they're really slow?

if it helps, browse through my runs on my youtube http://www.youtube.com/user/Quazacolt/videos

an inspira is a very standard point a to b car, however in the videos you can see most of them are over 80/110kph, with relative ease.

at some points tires making music as well.

how much it cost? just a bit over 60k brand new
but came with free lemonade la... and only mine had it so eh, who knows if you get better luck.

rofl the bolded.

but yeah as you said: most importantly is ts to find his exact requirements and filter through from there.

Firstly, i don't know how you concluded i "use useless data provided by manufacturer".

Secondly, I am not interested in your rb20. It was mentioned that the pickup truck can be as fast as a GTi. Hence I rubbish that a pickup truck can do 6.5s on a century sprint in stock. (8s is not even reachable)

And then you went on to the mod region.
Even a potong saga can be as fast as you want it if you pour cash on it.
Since you bring out the "mod" topic (which was clearly out of context), do you know what a GTi can do with a stage 1 chip? (at a mere RM 3k, just an ECU Tune)

Honestly, I don't know why I am entertaining you.

This post has been edited by dtna7: Jul 11 2014, 07:10 PM

Maybe those chicks were guys?

The Ford Raptor does 100 in around 6.6s, mind you we're talking about a petrol V8 with 400+ hp. That a diesel pickup with some small modifications can do it... kind of unlikely.

The Swift Sport seems a good choice. I think what you're looking for is a car that makes you feel like going fast, and is fun at that, it doesn't actually have to be fast. (Of course the Viva gives you that feeling even more... ). Alternatives are the Peugeot 208 GTI, Renault Clio RS, Ford Fiesta ST, or if you don't need so much power the regular versions of these cars could be what you want. Do test drive please.

@Quazacolt: Have you watched Chris Harris driving his Citroen 2CV? 12 hp, and he's having the time of his life. You can't lift off in corners, despite massive body roll, because if you lose momentum you'll be slow for the next 10 minutes. The Top Gear guys keep repeating the most fun you can have is in a small, cheap car, because you can drive like a racing driver without ever risking your license. And there are small, "cheap" cars that are fun to drive. I won't forget driving an old Ford Ka. No power milo tin, but boy is it flat in corners. My girlfriends old Fiesta too, it handles pretty well, and the atrocious sound proofing ensure you'll feel like you're driving fast.

Bingo! I think you have just put the correct words in my mouth!

Yay! I will definitely test-drive Swift Sport this weekend...BTW I checked out ford malaysia website, mana ada Fiesta ST? You mean Focus ST izzit?

this? no i haven't watched that, however now that you mentioned - thanks! was a really interesting video/insight!

i suppose i could really relate a bit to my family/sis's kancil 660 manual... it gotten me to enjoy driving in a whole different perspective... it's slow sure... but hey on a good downhill i can pull 130-140kph anyways

and of course it poisoned me into the world of shift sticks, manual transmission