Try the other cars I've mentioned too. Maybe the non GTI, non RS, non ST versions will be enough for you (and they'll be much easier on your wallet ). There is a Fiesta ST, just not in Malaysia (yet). Likewise there is a regular Clio (the Clio RS is expensive, to say the least), but not yet in Malaysia (though Renault has apparently said it's going to come, and it will have around 120 hp). No info on pricing yet. Probably your best bet is the Fiesta Ecoboost.

Everybody know it's a comparison between an apple & an orange.

I'm providing a real-life scenario where a 100k truck + additional 2-4k will be able to produce some serious HP like a stock golf gti. Then u went berserk with all those paper performance data bla bla bla..

Who doesnt know a stock truck has no chance against a hot hatch?

Btw, what can that stage 1 does? Oh wait..i was told my 3rd gear pulls harder than his gti..i wonder what when wrong...

Well I have seen dyno charts where a 3.0 Navara was able to push around 280ps on the wheel, which is a lot more than what a Stage 1 Golf Mk6 GTI pushes. Both were dynoed on the same dyno machine.

The torque figure gap is much bigger as well . even our neighbour is using pickup as a track car.

Whatever Mr Out Of Context

i think it's not darn hard to get a good car... it is just very hard to get a car that satisfies everything that you can possibly expect / want....

you either end up with a car that can do most of what you expect it to do and cost way too much or you end up with something that is easy on the wallet but does only maybe half of what you expected to get.... buying a car is very seldom just what you see on paper or what the salesman tries to sell you.. you might need to look further into things like can you afford to maintain it? road going resale value should you 2 years down the road decided you want to go full uncle or full track junkie on the car? and etc....

you just need to understand what can you sacrifice to balance out between your needs and what you are willing to pay for...

as for how every person values a car's worthiness... it is very different... for a track junkie... maybe he would think paying 260k for an impreza is much more worth than paying 220k for a GTi or Beemer 335i with M Sport pack and a stylistic young exec who wants to be a chic magnet might consider the GTi for it being the classier hot hatch with more luxurious amenities.. there is no saying which is wrong... just what is right for you..

so, the best is to now dig around your phonebook and re-engage your petrol head friends who might possibly have any possible cars in your target list and see if they can give you a ride and even better... if they can let you drive it... and if they are willing to share, the quips of owning the cars they have..

from there on, make up your mind...

for me, no car is the right car as there are different cars for different situation.. there will be days i would want to be in a less bone rattling ride but still be fast.. there will be days i want to let out my teenage side and go on a rampage zig-zagging in the traffic like i am trying to run away from loan sharks... there will never be such a car that can satisfy myself....

This post has been edited by nm7: Jul 14 2014, 11:43 AM

it's not surprising that some un-expected cars is fast on the road... i've got outsprinted in a flat out run from the lights by a land cruiser before...but then, that thing has a 2JZ in it spewing out black smoke all the way...

i don't doubt pickups are fast on the road.. but bone stock ones in Malaysia... i doubt it can push you back into the seat as hard as some of the more dedicated petrol head cars even in stock form..

if mods come into the picture.. hell... i think sometime ago someone tried building a superfast isuzu d-max or something like that in Johor that can do 10s quarter mile runs... everything is possible if money is no object..

anyways, kinda out of topic as TS wants something that is exhilarating to drive... not something outright scary if he wants to take it go for some spirited driving...

well, there is a difference between fun and downright scary... it can be fun if you are within the limit of the car, but once over it... totally different story... but then, it's very specific to every individual... and this certainly does not apply to someone with a death wish...

at one point in time when grassroot autocross events were gaining popularity in town that small cars like kelisa was sweeping up the competition in it's own categories... then those fellas started swapping cars to be more competitive and swift was one of the more obvious choices before they headed into the big boys territory...

2JZ..

Mainly those pickups are modified just for drag. For me, hp vs hp, pickups nowadays are a force to reckon given that what the Thais has innovated.

What is more scarier is that their HP is more cheaper compares to petrol's.

with those pick-up truck whose performance numbers are like those of performance car...


Tell me, which part of my argument not related to the question of TS?

Wow that is incredible. What sort of competition does your neighbour partake in? I haven't seen a pickup during the local track days as well as local competitions yet. I have seen MPV's such as a VW Sharan as well as the Exora Bold during track days.

Well, at least we know that it isn't easy to drift in a pickup truck

The only competition i think pickup truck take part in is Drag Racing
Thailand have a lot of them,they even get own dedicated categories to race

The country where even keiichi tsuchiya is a total noob in drifting.
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This post has been edited by nm7: Jul 14 2014, 09:00 PM

I suggest you go back and find your dusty dictionary that you don't know where you have put them and look for the word "as fast as".

I am done with you. Clearly you are clouded by your own ego.

Dude, you're the one who refuses to swallow back your own words.

I'm merely replying based on the 1st question of TS, even a forummer has provided a dyno figures which indicating a pickup can achieve 280ps without the need of almost 300k.

You just came out with 6.5s century sprint & then condemn pickups to eternity. I'm talking abt HP yet you are the one who refuses to accept the fact that pickups like Dmax, Triton, Navara are able to produce >200HP by using the amount less than the cost of a WRX.

Learn to debate healthy dude instead of just knowing how to name calling & making stupid remarks.

I did what you advised and dug out an old contact and invited him for some yumcha over kaya bread and half boiled egg during today's breakfast. He is a track enthusiast.

He told me to forget about buying new GTI/WRX etc. Get the EvoX recon at around RM 170K. He said more outside workshop are familiar with servicing the EvoX than GTI or WRX. Meaning mods are also easier with EvoX. Anything above 2010 model will be good.

GTI / WRX servicing is expensive and not many outside mechanic can do them. What are your guys opinion?

This post has been edited by xuzen: Jul 15 2014, 02:01 PM

Now go dig a hole for yourself and stop quoting me. You are not worth my time at all. I am not condemning pickups, and i know you drive a Hilux yourself, but don't get defensive and start accusing me things. Enough of making yourself look like a clown here.

My answer to you is simple. Try driving those Isuzu Triton at 240kmh and them slam on the brakes, and watch the world turn around you. No wait, it is you who is turning. round and round and round. And oh wait again, I dont think you can even reach those speeds. Now this is the difference between a performance car and those examples you mentioned.

This post has been edited by darenot: Jul 15 2014, 06:19 PM

Dei..even though numbers same..the weight of pickups more..