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post Jul 8 2014, 01:13 PM, updated 12y ago

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icon_question.gif Really noob here, don't flame OK?

I am wondering, with those pick-up truck whose performance numbers are like those of performance car... and half the price of performance car... why does one need a performance car?

I am of course being a total noob and comparing pick up like Isuzu V-Cross/Triton VGT versus WRX/Golf GTI.

Their numbers are almost the same... 200ps/350Nm, 4WD and sold for around RM 100K. I can buy two of these one, say a TritonVGT and one Isuzu V-Cross, still got extra spare cash to buy accessories some more.

Honestly, I don't know why anyone would still want those performance car...

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post Jul 8 2014, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(arza04 @ Jul 8 2014, 01:16 PM)
Gear ratio
Handling
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What is gear ratio? what does it mean? icon_question.gif

Yes, I have test driven a Golf GTI before....it's errrm... Fast!

Can I expect the handling of a the Triton to be good on winding country road?


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post Jul 8 2014, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(McFD2R @ Jul 8 2014, 02:52 PM)
I almost fainted when I read the question.
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don't lar like this bro.... Totally car noob mah!


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post Jul 8 2014, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(kww @ Jul 8 2014, 03:43 PM)
Why not go test drive a Triton and drive the same way you drove the golf gti? If you can't feel the differences, our conversation end here.
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I will head to the nearby Mitsubishi SC for a test drive...


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post Jul 8 2014, 08:18 PM

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Test driven the Triton VGT 2.5 this evening. I love the red colored variant.

The power is there, 178Ps can really give pecutan yang hebat!

However, the handling is rather stiff and off-road like. With the Triton, I dare not take sharp corner, the roll is felt more.

Compared to the Golf GTI, Golf GTI is nimble, agile and zippy fast probably due to its lighter weight and lower center of gravity. I terms of raw power, the Triton is no pushover. FC will be greater with the Triton.

But Golf GTI is double the price, and that is the biggest bone of contention.

Does a regular salariiman like me need to compromise and get a Triton that is "almost a sport performance vehicle" or go all out and get the real stuff?



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post Jul 9 2014, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jul 9 2014, 03:16 AM)
Pickup trucks are amongst the worst handling cars there are. Any conti will do better, no matter how powerful. If you want good handling, get a Fiesta, 208, Polo. They will drive circles around the pickup.
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Thanks, road handling is very high on my priority list. So I can now strike off pick up my to buy list now... it is a slow short listing by process of deduction.


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post Jul 10 2014, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(zenockl85 @ Jul 9 2014, 11:40 PM)
wan a good handling car is dry or wet road condition , I think Subaru car is the 1 u can experience it ~
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Subaru... darn lansi, cannot test drive their WRX or STI.

Evo X now cost RM 330K. Way out of my budget.


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QUOTE(OC4/3 @ Jul 10 2014, 08:40 PM)
Who ask you to buy new sweat.gif
Used EVO X is like 160k 170k nowadays
But err if you know nothing about car getting an EVO X is not exactly the most clever thing to do
Beside knowing the car itself,you also have to know how to drive to enjoy it(How to take racing line,control understeer/oversteer,weight transfer etc)
Not to mention performance car consumable are more costly(18" performance tyre,brake pad for Brembo,SST oil etc etc)
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OK OK... no Evo for me (too hardcore).. looks like I am leaning towards the Golf GTI most likely the Tech Spec. It is a good entry level car for a noob like me who wish to partake in a more exhilarating drive.




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post Jul 11 2014, 02:30 AM

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QUOTE(dtna7 @ Jul 10 2014, 10:31 PM)
I thought you are going for a pickup turbodiesel? blink.gif
The GTi is a great car. But it's down on horsepower compared to the others. But it's the most usable and mature looking.

Focus ST is better if pure driving experience is what you want. The best is, pf course the Megane 265. But u have to accept the cheap looking interior.
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My initial wants is a high performance car with exceptional road handling. My question wrt turbo diesel pick up was more of curiosity because when I look at the performance numbers they are the same, with half the price of GTI or WRX. So it got me thinking whether can one replicate that kind of driving pleasure with those pick up. Of course now I know it cannot.

Hmmmm, wrt Focus ST, yeah, it can be considered as well. Btw GTI and ST, which gives a better road handling? E.g less body roll when taking fast corners, more stable etc....

I have also read about Suzuki Swift excellent road handling.... If she can be just as good as the GTI, then I may consider, I don't need fast car, because of our traffic speed limit. What I need is a zippy car that can take corner well, minimum body roll, good accelaration, not sluggish.

Thanks in advance for your advise.



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post Jul 11 2014, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(pai3355 @ Jul 11 2014, 04:47 AM)
u can try testdrive swift sport, it is a lot more cheaper and very good handling at corners. But this car is not fast enough la
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Fast is moot point if one is not ever going to the track. Being fast on our road is inviting traffic summons, which I have no intention of getting it. Hence fast is not high on my priority list, but good handling, good acceleration (power & torgue), good fc numbers are high on my priority list.

Yeah, I will definitely check out Swift 1.6 sport variant this weekend.

Again from a non-hardcore motor sport enthusiast, why spend RM 200K or more if I can find a similar car that cost half of it and still give one the same performance or slightly lower. Again, I am thinking from a reasonable man perspective, not from a fan-boy perspective.

I could use the money saved to mod the car should I chose to.


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QUOTE(nm7 @ Jul 11 2014, 03:12 PM)
wow.... you are all over the place...

like quazacolt says... anycar is capable of breaking the speed limit nowadays.... and as for how fast can a car go... it depends highly how much the driver values his own life...

of course, the GTi is not a bad handling car.. but when it comes down to other cars in market... it is not the best... it does make up for it in better ride qualities and stuff....

as for the suzuki swift sport... that is a cheap car looking from comparing it with the golf GTi... but, really... once you've seen it.... you'd think twice before spending RM100k on that car.. the golf might be twice that value, but at least you get your worth when you buy that... and worst, the SSS is not really a whole lot fast in terms of acceleration, if you place it side by side a GTi...

so, your needs are just covering a whole lot of area... what you need to is prioritize what is your wants and needs such as price, value, performance-handling, performance-acceleration, looks, quality and etc...

what it feels now is that you are looking for a cheap car which can does everything from the handling of a lotus elise, to the acceleration of the R35 to the ride comfort of a Maybach and cost no more than a honda civic.. which evidently doesn't quite exist in this world..

so, you need to tie down your requirements in order to filter the list of cars in the market...
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Thanks, it is darn hard to get a good car, I hope you understand my predicament. I love to enjoy the pleasure of driving but I do not wish to pay a king's ransom for it. Mine is hard earned money and I want to stretch it.

But thanks to all of you guys for engaging me in my banter... through you folks I learn so much more about car. I'll still lurk around this forum and learn more until I find something I like. I am in no hurry, it is after all, a hobby buy.


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post Jul 11 2014, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jul 11 2014, 08:27 PM)
Maybe those chicks were guys?

The Ford Raptor does 100 in around 6.6s, mind you we're talking about a petrol V8 with 400+ hp. That a diesel pickup with some small modifications can do it... kind of unlikely.

The Swift Sport seems a good choice. I think what you're looking for is a car that makes you feel like going fast, and is fun at that, it doesn't actually have to be fast.[SIZE=14] (Of course the Viva gives you that feeling even more... laugh.gif ). Alternatives are the Peugeot 208 GTI, Renault Clio RS, Ford Fiesta ST, or if you don't need so much power the regular versions of these cars could be what you want. Do test drive please.

@Quazacolt: Have you watched Chris Harris driving his Citroen 2CV? 12 hp, and he's having the time of his life. You can't lift off in corners, despite massive body roll, because if you lose momentum you'll be slow for the next 10 minutes. The Top Gear guys keep repeating the most fun you can have is in a small, cheap car, because you can drive like a racing driver without ever risking your license. laugh.gif And there are small, "cheap" cars that are fun to drive. I won't forget driving an old Ford Ka. No power milo tin, but boy is it flat in corners. My girlfriends old Fiesta too, it handles pretty well, and the atrocious sound proofing ensure you'll feel like you're driving fast. laugh.gif
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Bingo! I think you have just put the correct words in my mouth!

Yay! I will definitely test-drive Swift Sport this weekend...BTW I checked out ford malaysia website, mana ada Fiesta ST? You mean Focus ST izzit?




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post Jul 15 2014, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(nm7 @ Jul 14 2014, 11:38 AM)
i think it's not darn hard to get a good car... it is just very hard to get a car that satisfies everything that you can possibly expect / want....

you either end up with a car that can do most of what you expect it to do and cost way too much or you end up with something that is easy on the wallet but does only maybe half of what you expected to get....  buying a car is very seldom just what you see on paper or what the salesman tries to sell you.. you might need to look further into things like can you afford to maintain it? road going resale value should you 2 years down the road decided you want to go full uncle or full track junkie on the car? and etc....

you just need to understand what can you sacrifice to balance out between your needs and what you are willing to pay for...

as for how every person values a car's worthiness... it is very different... for a track junkie... maybe he would think paying 260k for an impreza is much more worth than paying 220k for a GTi or Beemer 335i with M Sport pack and a stylistic young exec who wants to be a chic magnet might consider the GTi for it being the classier hot hatch with more luxurious amenities..  there is no saying which is wrong... just what is right for you..

so, the best is to now dig around your phonebook and re-engage your petrol head friends who might possibly have any possible cars in your target list and see if they can give you a ride and even better... if they can let you drive it... and if they are willing to share, the quips of owning the cars they have..

from there on, make up your mind...

for me, no car is the right car as there are different cars for different situation.. there will be days i would want to be in a less bone rattling ride but still be fast.. there will be days i want to let out my teenage side and go on a rampage zig-zagging in the traffic like i am trying to run away from loan sharks... there will never be such a car that can satisfy myself....
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I did what you advised and dug out an old contact and invited him for some yumcha over kaya bread and half boiled egg during today's breakfast. He is a track enthusiast.

He told me to forget about buying new GTI/WRX etc. Get the EvoX recon at around RM 170K. He said more outside workshop are familiar with servicing the EvoX than GTI or WRX. Meaning mods are also easier with EvoX. Anything above 2010 model will be good.

GTI / WRX servicing is expensive and not many outside mechanic can do them. What are your guys opinion?

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post Jul 16 2014, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(SWIZZ @ Jul 16 2014, 12:46 PM)
do one necessarily to sit in a performance car in order to know it is a performance car?

seriously bro, stop behaving like a retard lor, u've just made yourself a laughing stock here. close thread la
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I am the TS, I tak nak close thread.

There are good stuff that I can learn here and of course three are also juvenile childish comments. I will not throw the baby out with the bath water nor cut of the nose to spite the face.

Keep them on coming, you guys are slowly turning me from a noob to an eager enthusiast!



 

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