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 4 Critical Signs of a Bubble Market V7, UUU still trounced DDD

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post Jun 18 2014, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(bcpbeancounter @ Jun 18 2014, 12:20 PM)
Will a housing area which full of rubbish, bad security etc increase price from rm100k to rm600k? buy sub-sales also need to open eye big big mah
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Its just an example. The right example is RM300k increase to RM600k. This is very normal.
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post Jun 18 2014, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Jun 18 2014, 12:27 PM)
Someone posted before in previous version, SSL in Setapak, RM700K

Someone some comes with only 1-bathroom

SSL in Bangsar also > RM1 mln

Those ppl probably bought below RM200K
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post Jun 18 2014, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(nokomis @ Jun 18 2014, 11:49 AM)
Finding deals is a headache ... so many blind alleys. It takes time and perseverance; half the time I thought I was an idiot and just wanted to give up, trudging around in the hot sun and looking at miserable props. My thought is that you can only get to know one area at a time. It's really time consuming and you're never sure that there's a pot of gold at the end of the grubby rainbow. It's a lot different than going into showflats; no one explains anything to you.

My thought is that since you cannot know with any certainty whether prices in any area will rise, focus on yield. Make the downpayment, find the best tenants you can and let time take care of the rest. If the fundamentals are good, you stand a good chance of benefiting. As you gain more equity in the props, you can spin them off into more. Also, as the bank sees you handling things well, they're more interested in talking about new props. Know your banker.

As for odd structures: I just looked at a biz that used part of an adjoining structure, which it rented in an agreement that the owner could not fully explain. Other times, commercial props are held by families with little clear visibility on who makes the decision, although someone obviously wants to sell. It seems to me even odder structures exist out there. Just heard one where an elderly woman with no real sense of the prop's value but with title in hand threw the prop on the market. Her asking price was so low that the conveyance lawyer grabbed it before anyone could take the next breath.

There's so much you can't know about the future performance of a property, best to focus intently on those things you can know.
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Yes, finding a deal really headache. Sometimes you might not know what is problem of a certain property. You just have to go there a few times and at different time.
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post Jun 18 2014, 01:20 PM

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Talk about location, its very important.

Bad location like Kangbashi in China saw its price drop from USD$1,100 to USD$470 per square foot, over the last five years alone.

http://www.thebohemianblog.com/2014/02/wel...city-china.html
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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Jun 18 2014, 01:34 PM)
So bro what is your target location or location that have potential now. Mind share with us?
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I'm still researching. I'm in Penang now. So I would say mainland landed property got some potential due to still low price.

By the way, this is nice read:-
http://www.thebohemianblog.com/2014/02/urb...ghost-city.html

Ghost City in China where you can open door to any condo/police station/school/etc...

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post Jun 18 2014, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Jun 18 2014, 02:13 PM)
Those still In klang valley or outer klang valley area. Even drop I don't think will drop that much.
Somemore with new concept of living I think still have a strong demand from those old folk that stay in old housing
Area to upgrade. Still reasonable price compare with condo in city.

The only place I scare is iskandar Johor- massive of development , inflow massive of hot money without control.
All about Johor now is built built built and invest invest invest.
I doubt whether we have the population to catch up with the fast development anot. Big office ,super duper apartment
selling at special package without down payment , waive rpgt.
What I saw at the moment only hot money n investor. R people really set up a business there? Or the volume of business can catch up with the development anot?
Are mnc going to set office there and how long Johor can transform to a metropolis ?
I think development too fast without proper planing is too dangerous.

Landed still can buy in Johor but office lot and apartment really need to be careful and need to be a lots of study
before commit.

2 cent personal opinion
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Johor I think depend on location also. I think la... the R&F Princess Cove is good...
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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Jun 18 2014, 02:51 PM)
Yes certain project is good but I mean overall the whole massive project is built in super fast track
And new launching almost every week. Johor not same with klang valley, in kv we have the population and centre of finance. Johor got potential but just the pace of developemt is too fast without control.
I doubt whether they have enought talent n population to support the economic in developemt area.
Even mnc is setting up in Johore but do Johore have enought talent supply to them ?

At the moment we only see residential market very encouraging but most of the high end is selling to singaporean and Malaysian that work in singapore. This is not part of people who grow the economic of Johor others than weekend shopping there.
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Growth gua. People can no longer buy in Singapore. So most rich people from Singapore will stay in Johor and shopping in Johor. I think so la.
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QUOTE(nokomis @ Jun 18 2014, 03:09 PM)
I have spent quite a bit of time driving around Iskandar and looking at props from low end to high end. A year or two back after a big survey, I thought that this time it might work. It seemed like the powers that were going to make a mess of it had not arrived.

Now, they've arrived. I have lost faith.

Some projects may be good, but as a whole, I think it's hopeless. Many parts of it have already begun to show the corrosion of mismanagement.
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Really? That's ashamed. Iskandar is really good idea.
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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Jun 18 2014, 03:52 PM)
Hhaha some scene always appear in my mind when I remember the history of china when lease Hong Kong out to British n French. Then the next scene will appear is chinese and dog not allowed dine In they restaurant.
Hope this will not happen to Johor.

I like the concept in certain country like Australia, u can buy they property but only can sell back to Australian. This will prevent land Accumulation by foreigner.
Anyway this might not good for us who hold a property. Hahaha money and my love to country very hard to decide.
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I think most country not racist except Malaysia. Hahaha...
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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Jun 18 2014, 04:02 PM)
Yeah globalisation. But this is very dangerous and could lead a modern world invasion.
If we follow the flow might be profit from it but those cannot will left behind.
If the government only care for short term profit the consequences might leave an impact to future generation.
If not careful we will end up be a slave in own country.

Imagine all luxury property own by foreigner while johorean who income cannot beat them at the moment have to left behind and live in slump. This is devastating.

I love my country and I hope it won't destroy by politician who only have a short sighted and look for short term profit.

May be forumer from Johor can give your comment
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If follow your theory, I think foreigner cannot buy our property. laugh.gif
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post Jun 18 2014, 04:56 PM

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Out of topic news for DDD to feel good:-

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June 13, 2014 at 10:41 AM, updated June 13, 2014 at 10:42 AM
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post Jun 18 2014, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(HuiChyr @ Jun 18 2014, 05:02 PM)
The difference is China developers take up the loan to built; "Built first, then sell". In Malaysia; "Sell first, then Build".

In Malaysia, the risk go direct towards home owners. You lose more than just downpayment.
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I didn't know China is build first then sell. After you comment, I google it and realised that sell first then build is not widely used in the world. sweat.gif
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post Jun 18 2014, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Jun 18 2014, 06:23 PM)
Now u know when Michael Yam tell u developer not much untung is truth or other wise..  laugh.gif
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laugh.gif I believe all Michael Yam story telling.
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post Jun 19 2014, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(satrianeo-x @ Jun 19 2014, 09:49 AM)
Yea I understand that la. Just wanna good. GOod to know ma, just in case I simply don't whack ma... scared ma
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BBB cannot be scared one. Even downturn also BBB. If you downturn scared means you are DDD. doh.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jun 19 2014, 12:05 PM)
For god sakes.. is the market for prop good? This is the 5th in a week.. ppl asking for self bancrupt for inability to pay debt..
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Bank also seems like in Turbo mode to get more money.

After I spend RM8k with my credit card, Maybank people call me if I want to get personal loan to pay the credit card which is cheaper than interest for credit card.

So crazy. He dunno I pay off my balance everyone month one. doh.gif
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QUOTE(SonicKimi88 @ Jun 19 2014, 12:12 PM)
Is that a way ppl play to get away with declaring bankruptcy? As they might have transfer value assets or belonging to they kids before doing it? They can then ask to pay back less amount of money?
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Transfer asset/money don't work. Bank can get it back if the asset/money is transferred within a year.
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QUOTE(shaquenator @ Jun 19 2014, 01:11 PM)
how can you transfer the property to your kid when you are declaring bankcrupt ? every assets under them have to be lelong to pay back, else if not enough after sell everything then only bankcrupt...
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He want to transfer 6 months before bankrupt. But he dunno law said any asset can be taken back within 1 to 2 years. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jun 19 2014, 01:32 PM)
as for gogo2 believe.. the banks has no rights directly to the properties.. once bancrupt..all property vest names in kerajaan malaysiaku name.. so to sell off and cancel any ttansaction.. the insolvemcy and not the banks has d right to do so.. so insolvency = gov sectors.. efficient or not.. you judgeyourself..

Unless the banks laeyers are good .. all property dispose will kept quiet and sweep down d floors..
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I mean, claw back law to get back property/money that is transferred out to avoid bankruptcy.

QUOTE(HuiChyr @ Jun 19 2014, 02:06 PM)
Oh ... I learn new thing today .... THX bro .... notworthy.gif
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http://www.centumsage.com/articles/MSME-Ga...ic-approach.pdf

Seems like 5 years clawback period instead of just 1 year.

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However the Trust may be void or voidable where it can be proven that it was created with intent to defraud creditors. Trust assets may also be subjected to claw back under bankruptcy laws. In Malaysia and Singapore, the claw back period is 5 years from the transfer of assets into the Trust beyond which no further action can be taken to retrieve the trust assets.


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post Jun 19 2014, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(satrianeo-x @ Jun 19 2014, 02:51 PM)
slow down slow down... I think most businesses esp retails have been slowing down for quite some time, except for property (cpz it is a neccesity to have a roof over our head). Now property also slowdown. Die hard jor. Why? All BZ paying installment, where got money to spend in the domestic jor? All pay pay pay, no money left to buy GUCCI, EAT nicer etc. It's just a mater of time, property also JAM.
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really mou? many still have not buy property for their son, daughter, grandson and granddaughter. So you don't talk rubbish ok.

Let's all buy buy buy before land is finished. Remember, they don't make land anymore rclxms.gif rclxm9.gif

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QUOTE(lowyatter @ Jun 19 2014, 02:59 PM)
China company reclaiming 5000 acres in Johor wor.
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How many land can they make? 5000 acres sap sap sui eat by Singaporean already icon_idea.gif

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