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 4 Critical Signs of a Bubble Market V7, UUU still trounced DDD

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post Jun 16 2014, 08:45 PM

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QUOTE(SamsengFan @ Jun 16 2014, 08:43 PM)
1st the first cheque to book the property is to be written to agency?(as agent fee) ?
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This is KL way.

Penang way is all go to owner. Agent claim from lawyer.
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post Jun 16 2014, 08:50 PM

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QUOTE(SamsengFan @ Jun 16 2014, 08:46 PM)
penang is both buyer and seller have to pay right?
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Yessir

1% from each side
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post Jun 17 2014, 08:15 AM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jun 17 2014, 08:07 AM)
Depends on what unit is that. If highend in good location then no problem

Actually buying a property for your baby is a better education fund than those insurance education
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True. Education fund is not needed. They can get scholarship and study overseas. Else, study in local Uni. If all else fail, no need to study. I remember Bill Gates is drop out too.
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post Jun 17 2014, 08:18 AM

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For DDD to read in the morning to feel better for themselves hahahaha:-

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Real estate quagmire sinks Gen X, Y fiscal hopes

CNBC Digital presents the second in a series of five articles by members of its Financial Advisor Council on worst-case financial scenarios affecting clients in four age brackets: millennials and younger Gen Xers; people in their 40s and 50s; 60-somethings and pre-retirees; and those already in retirement. This week's guest contributor is Tim Maurer , director of personal finance at the BAM Alliance.

Throughout the course of my career, I've heard a lot of financial horror stories. The majority of these stories are told by baby boomers whose aggressive stock market strategies went bust, often at the behest of a transaction-oriented "advisor."

The most pain-yes, even marginally greater than that of former Enron employees and Bernie Madoff scam victims-has been felt by a younger generation, however, in America's suburbs, far from Wall Street.

[Click here to check home loan rates in your area.]

Relinquishing its collective Abercrombie & Fitch flannel shirts for suits and ties, Generation X was buying its first homes just as the Farrelly brothers-directors of "There's Something About Mary"-were hitting the movie scene and the real estate market was warming up.

These initial purchases were greeted with solid gains and falling interest rates, so when Scott and Ann-as we'll call them-were ready to move up from their starter home to make room for their growing family, they decided to refinance and rent their first home. They got good renters, made a monthly profit and saw their net worth begin a sharp upward climb.

Read More The next worst-case scenario could be you

People just not buying homesPlay VideoPeople just not buying homes
Since it worked so well the first time, why not do it again? Scott and Ann took meaningful chunks of their ever-expanding equity from their growing real estate portfolio to fund new home purchases. After all, the banks wouldn't lend them this money if they actually thought it was dangerous, would they? In their early 30s, Scott and Ann were poised to become millionaires soon, at least on paper.

This strategy worked great-until it didn't.

They lost a renter in one house and started having less amiable phone calls with lenders, soon resorting to unsecured credit cards for excess expenses. Their equity shrunk, seemingly overnight, and kept shrinking until it ceased to exist. Adjustable mortgage rates started adjusting in unfavorable directions, while their net worth accelerated into the red.

Scott and Ann's household income-more than $150,000 annually but comingled with their real estate "business"-could no longer support their family, until all was eventually lost in a dual personal bankruptcy that shattered them personally and threatened them professionally.

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Plagued by guilt and embarrassment, Scott, who'd shielded Ann from most of their financial woes until they were impossible to hide, had trouble sleeping through the night, until he woke one morning with a freeing picture in his mind.

He saw the number zero preceded by a dollar sign. "$0," he told me, "is the amount of money and material possessions we take with us when we leave this world." His vision provided a valuable lesson, indeed, but one I'd have preferred Scott to learn in a book.

Scott and Ann's story is 100 percent true, but sadly it's not unique. The intense compounding of leverage-fueled rates of return on seemingly safe hard assets wooed entirely too many Gen Xers into part-time landlord gigs that eventually failed. For many more, home equity dwindled, thanks to cars, vacations and even more noble uses, landing vast numbers of 30-somethings among the millions still underwater on their homesteads.

As a generation, however, we've learned several lessons that will serve us well into the future:
-Real estate can be a good investment, but it is not a safe investment, made even less safe because it is typically bought with leverage.
-Without leverage, the most you can lose is your initial investment. With leverage, you can lose substantially more than your initial investment.
-In order to benefit from rental real estate, you must be willing and able to be a landlord. Most aren't.
-Owning more of a good thing is not always better. Concentrating is gambling; diversifying is investing.

Read More Avoid these retirement screwups

Studies have shown that Generations X and now Y are more conservative than their predecessors, which is completely understandable after they saw the financial crash of 2008 follow the real estate crash of 2006, which has been preceded by the tech bubble bursting in the early 2000s.

Some say younger generations are being too conservative, but I think it's a good lesson to learn: No investment is likely to make us, and therefore it shouldn't be put in a position to break us.

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post Jun 17 2014, 08:31 AM

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QUOTE(Wiredx @ Jun 17 2014, 08:20 AM)
People like to say this but michael dell, steve jobs not completing college are really not good examples without providing the context behind. They were already making headways in their businesses by then and had inherent qualities common people dont. They didnt quit because they were lazy or didnt value developing themselves.
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Actually my point is, your kid future is shaped by parent teaching and their gene. No amount of money can get them a good future.
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post Jun 17 2014, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jun 17 2014, 09:49 AM)
You must be a bumi bro  thumbup.gif
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I'm not bro. Get scholarship from company or government. rclxms.gif

QUOTE(whitefong @ Jun 17 2014, 10:25 AM)
Ya right no need fund, your father is agong ke? or like above said bumi? local Uni, non-bumi u think can enter so easy meh? u paid for us la zzz
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Local uni very easy to enter. Just that you don't get the course you want. laugh.gif
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post Jun 17 2014, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jun 17 2014, 11:03 AM)
I always like optimistic people  thumbup.gif When a person think of the brighter side, usually good things will also happen to them. For pessimistic people, even opportunity sit in front of them, they will not see it as opportunity.
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If everyday look at negative side, if not lose money, life also shorter. Hahahah laugh.gif
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post Jun 17 2014, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Jun 17 2014, 12:20 PM)
If can afford I think no harm to send your children to oversea. After all u provided them another alternate way of living. Some of my friend even get a Pr in uk and Australia after complete study in oversea and have a pretty good salary.

If can't afford study locally lo no need stress. If u are dragon sooner later u will become dragon, if u pai kar chai no matter give u how much also finish.

If still cannot take ptptn, 4% only what. Got first class even can waive all.

Always take life easy, no stress
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That's why I don't understand why people send kid to overseas using their hard earned money. Better enjoy with the money. If kid cannot study and get their own scholarship, ask them to get PTPTN and study local. rclxms.gif
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post Jun 17 2014, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Jun 17 2014, 12:26 PM)
Worst more..after study dont want come back..Like dumping money to sea.

Whose going to taking care PAMA...if keeping property still can get rental income for retirement.

Sell for children - may not easy to get it back.
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True. At least got property. If children stupid, at least you have house for them to stay. Just put the house into Trust.

QUOTE(kradun @ Jun 17 2014, 12:27 PM)
yumcha that time can have additional education bubble talk, nowadays cannot afford to send kids to higher education liao, at least rm500k per kids.
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Those talk is nonsense. If children can study, get their own scholarship. Else study in the country laugh.gif
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post Jun 17 2014, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(sampool @ Jun 17 2014, 01:11 PM)
bro... 500k is study medicine in UK la..  blink.gif

if children can become dr in UK.. he can buy few houses for u instead lo.  wink.gif
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I think 500k is 10 years ago. Now still 500k meh? hmm.gif
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post Jun 17 2014, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(kradun @ Jun 17 2014, 02:11 PM)
Beside u show off ur 1.4mil condo, u can talk about ur kids graduate oversea, many people envy la bro.
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Hahaha... all our life is just for show biggrin.gif

QUOTE(SamsengFan @ Jun 17 2014, 02:28 PM)
Bill Gates was dropped out of harvard.
And he got top 10 highest score for his Sat.

If your children scored top 10 in a level or spm/stpm,  and managed to get into harvard,  then,  yes,  he/she will be successful even if he/she does not complete his /her study

laugh.gif out of topic though.
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True also. Intelligent people can't wait to earn money.
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post Jun 18 2014, 08:19 AM

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QUOTE(bcpbeancounter @ Jun 18 2014, 12:31 AM)
Whatever opinion already said. I am more interested whether bear bear has signed the dotted line?
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Yeah, normally when bear become bull, that's the time the crash begin. sweat.gif
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post Jun 18 2014, 09:33 AM

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QUOTE(nokomis @ Jun 18 2014, 09:31 AM)
Was speaking with some well-heeled investors over dinner at the Majestic at the weekend. It was clear that the guys with the big cash are buying properties with a sense of urgency. They are soaking up older properties, shophouses and anything unique in terms of location or provenance. I heard more than one person say that the window is closing. Not sure if it's true, but the smart money seems to think so.

These people are not buying off-plan props. They're searching for unique older properties such as shophouses and bigger flats in older well-kept buildings. They're buying with a view to the longer term, although I heard stories about props bought for LT investment, but then flipped when a bigger fish came along and grabbed it away a few months later.

We spent most of the evening talking about older districts full of shophouses, the ones everyone has been avoiding for years.

Who knows,

noko
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Yeah, me too. I'm now looking a lot of subsales property recently. But it has to be unique. If the property is bad location etc, don't buy it.

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post Jun 18 2014, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Jun 18 2014, 11:21 AM)
People want NEW cos

1) No need to renovate
2) No need to come out with Big DP
3) No need to move in immediately
4) Many sub-sales property are not well maintained

Ppl think too much why new sales are up and sub-sales down
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I think the important point is:-

People don't want to live with poor people in subsale area.

Imagine you pay RM600k and live with RM300k people. How you feel? Must be pretty awful I think.

That's why I believe nokomis that we need to find something unique.
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post Jun 18 2014, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(nokomis @ Jun 18 2014, 11:33 AM)
Finding properties to live in and finding investments are two different things. If I'm looking for a place to live, I buy the ugliest property I can find in the best neighbouorhood and then press the owner as far as I think I can. I then used the cash to reno the prop and made it the best in the neighbourhood. It's worked for me a few times.

If I am investing, I focus on yield and risks to that yield. In the back of my mind I think about cap appreciation, but you never really know about that, so you have to rely on your gut. I also think about my transaction costs and try to keep them low. In stock investing, transaction costs are killers, moreso in prop investing. That's why I'm a LT investor.
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Yeah true. I agree with you. Long term investment have to look at yield. And only old cheap property have yield. Current new property yield too low for investment.

Finding place to live must be good neighbourhood. Else, your property is the best in the whole bad neighboorhood also no point.
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post Jun 18 2014, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Jun 18 2014, 11:31 AM)
This I also agree.

My current place has doubled in value in 6-yrs

Based on today MV, more than 50% of my Bangsat neighbours will not be able to buy it already.  Bangsat neighbours who simply park their cars, bikes and throw rubbish into the drains.
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Yes, you're basically live with Bangsat neighbor hahaha even if you pay highend price now (luckily you bought your current property before the price double).

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post Jun 18 2014, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(satrianeo-x @ Jun 18 2014, 11:40 AM)
LOL. There is nothing awful awful about that, when you are able to afford it AND you like it. I don't think people who buy it for own stay would think of it that way.

Investment is a different matter. And again, I don't think genuine investor think that way. They would however, think about future appreciation, and rental yields, plus a host of other tiny minute details, all to do with money and sense.

If that is the mind set, then ppl will start asking you to buy properties in Melaka, or rural areas. Where's the fun in that? Or better still, perhaps bying land is more your type of investment.
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Based on cfa28 reply, I stand firm on my opinion that paying rich neighborhood price for Bangsat neighbourhood is awful.
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post Jun 18 2014, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(satrianeo-x @ Jun 18 2014, 11:44 AM)
WOKAYYYY,, is that thinking rocks your boat buddy smile.gif
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post Jun 18 2014, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Jun 18 2014, 11:50 AM)
you will always have Bangsat Neighbours everywhere.

Just think it does make you feel better that all your Bangsats are of the same class.

Cos if you pay RM600K, u wanna stay with RM600K bangsats and not RM100K Bnagsats (for very old neighborhoods)
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post Jun 18 2014, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(jacckl @ Jun 18 2014, 12:01 PM)
but it's cheaper to move around if you encounter rm100k bnagsats, with rm600k bnagsats, you might stick with them for a long time  sweat.gif
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But the RM100k bangsat house is now RM600k. So you pay RM600k to live with RM100k bangsat.

I think you misunderstood thinking that you still pay RM100k to buy house in RM100k neighbourhood. Now, you need to pay RM600k to live in RM100k bangsat neighborhood.

Very awful feeling.

So..

Better buy new house for stay.

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