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yellowpika
post Sep 12 2014, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(RED-HAIR-SHANKS @ Sep 11 2014, 11:09 PM)
Thanks for these vital animations. I'm going to inform them about this.
Worry not about the word count. I've been told that it's alright to write more than the limit of the words given, but what I do fear is my inability to write out a decent essay with a correct format.

It's unbelievable that you're able to score a 4.00 pointer for your overall PA CGPA albeit the fact that you were unable to garner a lot of marks out of the structure questions, which brings me to another point, how were you able to achieve this feat? Did you focus more on the essay sections and the graph for the first and second term respectively knowing that you are about to lose lots of marks in structure questions?

Pardon me for asking too much questions that I deemed superfluous and thanks in advance.
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Well my PA teacher who is a marker told us that majority of the candidates don't really score in structured questions at all, mainly due to the strict marking scheme.

Hence, it is easier to score in PA due to the grading graph being lowered.

So trust me, you don't have to be too worried about this. You should do fine if you just focus on objective and essays. nod.gif

I agree with what Just Visiting By has said because he told me the same thing last year, and I managed to score A- for Term 1, A for Term 2.

Perhaps it's because I had a great PA teacher teaching me. hmm.gif
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post Sep 12 2014, 09:16 PM

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QUOTE(RED-HAIR-SHANKS @ Sep 11 2014, 03:26 PM)
Thanks for the info. But, a friend of mine that is taking tuition for PA in IBM(Institut Bukit Mertajam) told me today that his PA tuition teacher barred her students from writing for more than 5 isi in any given essay. My friend claimed that she was one of the chief marker for the PA subjects and therefore has experiences in marking PA essays. Now, I'm not going to start a debate of telling whether which method is safe and effective to garner higher marks, but I think I'll just ask for more clarification for the time being.

And also, could you please tell me on how you're able to secure high marks in both the objective and structure question? My teacher gave me a lot of exercises and yet I can't even secure a score of more than 7 or 8 out of the total 15 questions. And structure questions seemed to be a tough nut to crack for me if given the fact that I'm clueless in what needs to be answered. More often than not, I will write down what I know that pertains to the given question and the answers might be long and verbose, and yet I end up getting nil. I would really like to further know your mastery over these 2 sections. notworthy.gif
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#1:This is what my teacher told me too, she said that you cannot write more than 5 isi per essay. They won't look at the extra points and you will have the risk of overwritting.

#2:Me too! Seems that we know the facts, yet does not meet the marking scheme requirements sad.gif A tiny bit of keywords lost, whole thing got wrong!! rclxub.gif

A tip from my PA teacher and my monthly test experience:
When the question is asking for PERANAN, Make Sure you start it with imbuhan 'PE-'

My failure of fulfilling this ended up a total of 10 marks just slipped away from my hands. shakehead.gif

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post Sep 12 2014, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(RED-HAIR-SHANKS @ Sep 9 2014, 02:48 AM)
Hello, sagethesausage, scgoh123 and BlueMuffin.

Do any of you know or have been taught on the methods to construct each of the paragraph for the body in PA essay? I don't think I have much trouble starting up and ending it with my intro and conclusion, and do most of you follow up this kind of format for each paragraph unsure.gif :

Main point (Ayat isi) ➔ Reasons/Factors(Punca) ➔Effect(Kesan) ➔Examples(Contoh) ➔Closure(Penutup isi)

For example:
Nyatakan cabaran yang dihadapi oleh IKS(Industri Kecil dan Sederhanda) dalam meghadapi persaingan produk....

    Salah satu cabaran yang dihadapi oleh IKS(Industri Kecil dan Sederhana) ialah kekurangan kewangan dan modal. Hal ini demikian kerana kebanyakan IKS yang wujud masih bertaraf hijau dan berperintis. Natijahnya, kekurangan modal akan menyebabkan pembelian bahan mentah terbatas. Pembiaya dan pelabur juga enggan melabur dan memberikan bantuan modal disebabkan kurangya kepercayaan dan keyakinan terhadap rekod kecemerlangan yang ada pada IKS. Oleh hal yang demikian, masalah kekangan kewangan dan modal ini harus dihadapi dan diselesaikan sekiranya pemasaran IKS ingin berkembang maju.

Is it suffice? unsure.gif
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If my teacher is marking your paper, The maximum allocation of marks is Isi=2, Huraian=2
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post Sep 12 2014, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(yellowpika @ Sep 12 2014, 09:56 PM)
Well my PA teacher who is a marker told us that majority of the candidates don't really score in structured questions at all, mainly due to the strict marking scheme.

Hence, it is easier to score in PA due to the grading graph being lowered.

So trust me, you don't have to be too worried about this. You should do fine if you just focus on objective and essays.  nod.gif

I agree with what Just Visiting By has said because he told me the same thing last year, and I managed to score A- for Term 1, A for Term 2.

Perhaps it's because I had a great PA teacher teaching me. hmm.gif
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My teacher said that you should be satisfied when you get 6 out of 15 marks. ohmy.gif
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post Sep 12 2014, 09:22 PM

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Now I just wonder, how can you all having ample time to surf on the internet? I have too much workload on me, and the trial exam is around the corner! Yet my school teacher still forcing us to go for meaningless KO-KU activities which makes us exhausted and no more energy left for homework and studying.

How do you make it?

I totally don't understand the vector equation on a plane. Can someone explain it to me?

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post Sep 12 2014, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(scgoh123 @ Sep 12 2014, 09:16 PM)
A tip from my PA teacher and my monthly test experience:
When the question is asking for PERANAN, Make Sure you start it with imbuhan 'PE-'

My failure of fulfilling this ended up a total of 10 marks just slipped away from my hands. shakehead.gif
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Wait what?? My PA teacher never informed us about this before. It's totally absurd for me for the fact that you lose marks right off the bat without an imbuhan regardless of what you've written on the paper. doh.gif

QUOTE(scgoh123 @ Sep 12 2014, 09:17 PM)
If my teacher is marking your paper, The maximum allocation of marks is Isi=2, Huraian=2
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Do I lack anything else? Mind adding them up for me? blush.gif I think I can learn a thing or two from you since you've completed your test weeks ago.

QUOTE(scgoh123 @ Sep 12 2014, 09:19 PM)
My teacher said that you should be satisfied when you get 6 out of 15 marks. ohmy.gif
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I will always, always have a PA book by my side in order to answer any questions that are under the structure or objective sections. There are too many concepts that needs to be grasped and some questions are downright trivial.

Hell, I don't even think I can come out with more than 6 marks from my structure questions.
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QUOTE(scgoh123 @ Sep 12 2014, 09:22 PM)
Now I just wonder, how can you all having ample time to surf on the internet? I have too much workload on me, and the trial exam is around the corner! Yet my school teacher still forcing us to go for meaningless KO-KU activities which makes us exhausted and no more energy left for homework and studying.

How do you make it?

I totally don't understand the vector equation on a plane. Can someone explain it to me?
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I don't have ample of time too, but I make time for other activities. blush.gif I realised that one thing that I'm coerced to do is sleeping late almost every day due to the inordinate amount of work at hands. If I can particularly find any weekdays where I'm able to hit the sack before 12.00 am, it'll be a 'miracle'.

Our teachers don't force us to attend any co-curricular activities and so the poor attendance for the form 6 students in ko-ku is a norm in our school. Just to let you know that I never ever attend my badminton's weekly activity in school since May. But, our form 6 teacher will often find ways to let us participate in activities that are at state-level so that we can easily garner 14 marks in one go. Just 2 weeks ago, I've participated an annual sports competition that was on state-level, and I will again take part in 'Penang Starwalk' just for the sake of that precious ko-ku marks.

I'm quite thankful that most of our teachers will try to find ways to make us participate in most state-level ko-ku activities, and some of them don't intend to let us get involved in any competitions that aren't giving higher marks, as they deemed that it's only a waste of time and breath. This might be because they know that as soon as we graduate from pre-u, we will be a sitting duck in the aspects of ko-ku marks if we were to juxtapose ours with the ones from matriculation. Anyway, we owe them a big time. notworthy.gif
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post Sep 12 2014, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(RED-HAIR-SHANKS @ Sep 11 2014, 11:09 PM)
Thanks for these vital animations. I'm going to inform them about this.
Worry not about the word count. I've been told that it's alright to write more than the limit of the words given, but what I do fear is my inability to write out a decent essay with a correct format.

It's unbelievable that you're able to score a 4.00 pointer for your overall PA CGPA albeit the fact that you were unable to garner a lot of marks out of the structure questions, which brings me to another point, how were you able to achieve this feat? Did you focus more on the essay sections and the graph for the first and second term respectively knowing that you are about to lose lots of marks in structure questions?

Pardon me for asking too much questions that I deemed superfluous and thanks in advance.
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The quality of essay is not important. Basically, what they look for is solid points written in essay form. So don't worry about PA. PA is the easiest subject to get an A (but also the easiest to fail, just be EXTRA careful)

There is no format for the essay, except to remember to write your isi in the first sentence on every paragraphs. I always wrote only 3 sentences for every paragraphs (1 for isi, 2 for huraian), about 70% the quantity of a normal essay in a reference book, but I still came out fine.

Yes, I gave up all structured questions. For second term, I focused merely on graph and made sure I drew the correct one, and for essay I used the method I outlined above. I wrote 3+3 just to play safe when actually only 2+3 was needed. And I got an A- for second term.

I think I got an A- rather easily because lots of people messed up their graph and essay because they got B- or below.

Essay is not that terrifying as you imagined. You are given 50 word allowance (if it says 350 words, write until 400), keep your introduction and closing paragraph as short as possible to allow more words for your isi and huraian, make sure your isi is correct (you can't be sure whether it's correct or not anyway, who the heck knows what MPM wants?), and just give two extra huraian is enough.

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QUOTE(yellowpika @ Sep 12 2014, 08:56 PM)
Well my PA teacher who is a marker told us that majority of the candidates don't really score in structured questions at all, mainly due to the strict marking scheme.

Hence, it is easier to score in PA due to the grading graph being lowered.

So trust me, you don't have to be too worried about this. You should do fine if you just focus on objective and essays.  nod.gif

I agree with what Just Visiting By has said because he told me the same thing last year, and I managed to score A- for Term 1, A for Term 2.

Perhaps it's because I had a great PA teacher teaching me. hmm.gif
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Of course what I said was true, why would I want to hurt anyone? biggrin.gif

Anyway third term would be much easier. Third term PA is frankly the easiest. More than 50% of candidates in my school scored a perfect A (4.00) for third term.

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QUOTE(Just Visiting By @ Sep 12 2014, 10:10 PM)
Anyway third term would be much easier. Third term PA is frankly the easiest. More than 50% of candidates in my school scored a perfect A (4.00) for third term.
Is Pengajian Am about the study of ideas about Politics and Policy?

How does Pengajian Am empower Form 6 students?
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QUOTE(Just Visiting By @ Sep 12 2014, 10:10 PM)
Of course what I said was true, why would I want to hurt anyone?  biggrin.gif

Anyway third term would be much easier. Third term PA is frankly the easiest. More than 50% of candidates in my school scored a perfect A (4.00) for third term.
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Well, I hope so since I find term 3 PA harder than Term 1 and Term 2, because Section B is sometimes difficult and confusing. sad.gif
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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Sep 12 2014, 10:40 PM)
Is Pengajian Am about the study of ideas about Politics and Policy?

How does Pengajian Am empower Form 6 students?
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First sem is about kehakiman, kerajaan and umm....I forgot what. Haha I remember there's three k.

First term is the best. You study about different courts in Malaysia and what cases they handle, you study about the laws in Malaysia and the terms like herbeas corpus, then you study about parliaments, what they do and what they discuss, and what decision needs to be made in order to pass a bill et cetera. First term is the best, but it's the hardest to study IMO.

Second term is about Malaysian policies and dasar like Rancangan Malaysia ke-10, all which I find useless. But I kinda like the graph, where you turn linear text to non-linear graph. It's extremely challenging but I like it, and I think it made us skilled in reading and quick calculation and precision.

Third term is about Malaysia's participation in international events like UN, Commonwealth and what Malaysia does with neighbouring countries and how Malaysia help or influence other countries, and what I studied made me think Malaysia is too proud to be the top in developing countries, Malaysia has refused to go on to become the worst among developed countries.

The data synthesis however is also quite fun, but less fun as graph.

QUOTE(yellowpika @ Sep 12 2014, 10:41 PM)
Well, I hope so since I find term 3 PA harder than Term 1 and Term 2, because Section B is sometimes difficult and confusing. sad.gif
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Section B is easy, since there's no word limit, just write everything.

Write about the highest and lowest of certain year, the biggest changes and least changes et cetera.

Just write everything.

My section B was longer than section C LOL.


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QUOTE(Just Visiting By @ Sep 12 2014, 10:48 PM)
First sem is about kehakiman, kerajaan and umm....I forgot what. Haha I remember there's three k.

First term is the best. You study about different courts in Malaysia and what cases they handle, you study about the laws in Malaysia and the terms like herbeas corpus, then you study about parliaments, what they do and what they discuss, and what decision needs to be made in order to pass a bill et cetera. First term is the best, but it's the hardest to study  IMO.
Sounds interesting! laugh.gif

What is the power of Habeas Corpus in Malaysia?

Are there certain loopholes in the use of habeas corpus?
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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Sep 12 2014, 11:02 PM)
Sounds interesting! laugh.gif

What is the power of Habeas Corpus in Malaysia?

Are there certain loopholes in the use of habeas corpus?
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LOL it has been two years since I studied it, I can't remember the definition of each law terms anymore.

But I remember it is extremely interesting to study, but we just study the definition of terms. We don't go too specific.

Luckily we did not because the first term itself covered about 75% of the terminal system syllabus! Imagine we studied what was previously studied in one year in 5 months!
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LOL it has been two years since I studied it, I can't remember the definition of each law terms anymore.

But I remember it is extremely interesting to study, but we just study the definition of terms. We don't go too specific.

Luckily we did not because the first term itself covered about 75% of the terminal system syllabus! Imagine we studied what was previously studied in one year in 5 months!
I thought you had fun because you took an interest in kehakiman, and not being forced to memorize. sweat.gif I think all SPM students should learn the common law of Malaysia that protects basic individual rights and freedom. It should also promote democratic awareness among young people. Do A-level students in Malaysia know the basic kehakiman? hmm.gif

A writ of habeas corpus is a judicial mandate to a prison official ordering that an inmate be brought to the court so it can be determined whether or not that person is imprisoned lawfully and whether or not he should be released from custody. A habeas corpus petition is a petition filed with a court by a person who objects to his own or another's detention or imprisonment. The petition must show that the court ordering the detention or imprisonment made a legal or factual error.
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I thought you had fun because you took an interest in kehakiman, and not being forced to memorize. sweat.gif I think all SPM students should learn the common law of Malaysia that protects basic individual rights and freedom. It should also promote democratic awareness among young people. Do A-level students in Malaysia know the basic kehakiman? hmm.gif

A writ of habeas corpus is a judicial mandate to a prison official ordering that an inmate be brought to the court so it can be determined whether or not that person is imprisoned lawfully and whether or not he should be released from custody. A habeas corpus petition is a petition filed with a court by a person who objects to his own or another's detention or imprisonment. The petition must show that the court ordering the detention or imprisonment made a legal or factual error.
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I had fun reading them I didn't have fun memorising/studying them, just like I like reading storybooks but I couldn't possibly remember all the settings and sentences because I like reading them, not studying them. biggrin.gif

Besides laws, we did study a bit of the Malaysian Constitution, which is very helpful but I have now forgotten a lot of it. Sadly.
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A good day Just Visiting By and fellow yellowpika. I have some questions for you two regarding my upcoming MUET test.

Last week I've received my MUET examination timetables and my Speaking Test will be on 15th October. Now, I've already been assigned to team up with other 3 candidates that are about to sit for the same test with me and that we just started some practices for that test. I've found out that all of my other 3 friends are alright and each person has his own ideas to elaborate their specific points. That's good so far in Task A. But when it comes to Task B(group discussion), most of us are incline to pick up our own points and rehash them again from the previous Task A. Sometimes, I will try to change my choices of points in Task B, but I reckon that some of my friends will solely stick to their own points and defend them till the very end of the discussions. Ergo, we rarely have the chance to conclude our talks based on one specific conclusion as each person has different points of view. So, how do I approach and tell them that they are flexible to shift their choices in Task B ? unsure.gif

And also, I noticed that a friend of mine tends to argue his points and keep on repeating the exact same elaboration if the other 3 of us try to throw some questions on why did he opt for what he stood for. At times, he tends to be speechless and it's as if his conversation and elaboration in Task B comes to a halt if he doesn't know what to convey. I don't blame him as all the 4 of us are using Mandarin as our medium in day to day basis of conversation, and in fact, he has lots of solid ideas and able to converse fluently if given him the chance to speak in a group, unless if we were to discuss in English or BM. So, how do I rectify that? unsure.gif

Please help the 4 of us. I know that if I want to achieve a satisfying mark in Speaking component, I will have to find ways to aid them and bring them up. It's not a one man job. Thanks for both of your attention and thoughtful advices. notworthy.gif
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A good day Just Visiting By and fellow yellowpika. I have some questions for you two regarding my upcoming MUET test.

Last week I've received my MUET examination timetables and my Speaking Test will be on 15th October. Now, I've already been assigned to team up with other 3 candidates that are about to sit for the same test with me and that we just started some practices for that test. I've found out that all of my other 3 friends are alright and each person has his own ideas to elaborate their specific points. That's good so far in Task A. But when it comes to Task B(group discussion), most of us are incline to pick up our own points and rehash them again from the previous Task A. Sometimes, I will try to change my choices of points in Task B, but I reckon that some of my friends will solely stick to their own points and defend them till the very end of the discussions. Ergo, we rarely have the chance to conclude our talks based on one specific conclusion as each person has different points of view. So, how do I approach and tell them that they are flexible to shift their choices in Task B ? unsure.gif

And also, I noticed that a friend of mine tends to argue his points and keep on repeating the exact same elaboration if the other 3 of us try to throw some questions on why did he opt for what he stood for. At times, he tends to be speechless and it's as if his conversation and elaboration in Task B comes to a halt if he doesn't know what to convey. I don't blame him as all the 4 of us are using Mandarin as our medium in day to day basis of conversation, and in fact, he has lots of solid ideas and able to converse fluently if given him the chance to speak in a group, unless if we were to discuss in English or BM. So, how do I rectify that? unsure.gif

Please help the 4 of us. I know that if I want to achieve a satisfying mark in Speaking component, I will have to find ways to aid them and bring them up. It's not a one man job. Thanks for both of your attention and thoughtful advices. notworthy.gif
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Well, for group discussion, you can always conclude by saying : We are unable to come to a conclusion as which "point" is the best.

Most importantly, just make sure all your group members have a chance to speak. thumbup.gif

Sorry that I can't help you much on this, as my group members mostly try to ensure that I had the chance to speak. We mostly talk about all the points for the discussion and elaborate, then when a member's argument is stronger, then we supported her and concluded on that point.
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Well, for group discussion, you can always conclude by saying : We are unable to come to a conclusion as which "point" is the best.

Most importantly, just make sure all your group members have a chance to speak. thumbup.gif

Sorry that I can't help you much on this, as my group members mostly try to ensure that I had the chance to speak. We mostly talk about all the points for the discussion and elaborate, then when a member's argument is stronger, then we supported her and concluded on that point.
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Yeah, it will all go to waste if only a person or two is talking most of the time. Besides, we are only given the chance to speak for 2-3 minutes and a little longer in Task B for RM100.00 sweat.gif

But sometimes, one of them is adamant to change his point of views in a discussion, and that leads to a deadlock in Task B. But yeah, we still have time left and we will try to practice more if we can after our trials.
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A good day Just Visiting By and fellow yellowpika. I have some questions for you two regarding my upcoming MUET test.

Last week I've received my MUET examination timetables and my Speaking Test will be on 15th October. Now, I've already been assigned to team up with other 3 candidates that are about to sit for the same test with me and that we just started some practices for that test. I've found out that all of my other 3 friends are alright and each person has his own ideas to elaborate their specific points. That's good so far in Task A. But when it comes to Task B(group discussion), most of us are incline to pick up our own points and rehash them again from the previous Task A. Sometimes, I will try to change my choices of points in Task B, but I reckon that some of my friends will solely stick to their own points and defend them till the very end of the discussions. Ergo, we rarely have the chance to conclude our talks based on one specific conclusion as each person has different points of view. So, how do I approach and tell them that they are flexible to shift their choices in Task B ? unsure.gif

And also, I noticed that a friend of mine tends to argue his points and keep on repeating the exact same elaboration if the other 3 of us try to throw some questions on why did he opt for what he stood for. At times, he tends to be speechless and it's as if his conversation and elaboration in Task B comes to a halt if he doesn't know what to convey. I don't blame him as all the 4 of us are using Mandarin as our medium in day to day basis of conversation, and in fact, he has lots of solid ideas and able to converse fluently if given him the chance to speak in a group, unless if we were to discuss in English or BM. So, how do I rectify that? unsure.gif

Please help the 4 of us. I know that if I want to achieve a satisfying mark in Speaking component, I will have to find ways to aid them and bring them up. It's not a one man job. Thanks for both of your attention and thoughtful advices. notworthy.gif
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For task B, there need not be an agreement. Each member could defend their own points if they wish, and if an agreement could not be reached, just conclude by saying "based on our discussion, we think the best way to (let's say) curb vandalism is to educate people and enforce stricter laws bla bla bla". An agreement is not demanded.

If you're unsure about how to proceed with your point, don't panic, and act normal. Exuding confidence is extremely important as it is an impression. Try to speak as natural as possible.

During practice, try to limit everyone's chance to approximately 2 minutes.

It's just a speaking test, don't freak out over it. =)


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