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post Sep 10 2014, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 10 2014, 03:35 PM)
https://plus.google.com/+JasonLimQuazacolt/posts/hm8NizaeCB7
can uoa ma laugh.gif
total cost ~rm200+

it is expensive though, but i don't want to deal with butt dyno/placebo/assumption, i went for the hard facts/numbers.
and the result is despite 8500km of usage, the additives/detergent in the oil is still much higher than a huge majority of EO in the market that are fresh/manufacturer data sheet/specs.

20k km shouldn't be of any issue at all however my car still being new, follow proton 10k km lo, drain perfectly good amsoil signature series 0w20 out lo  cry.gif  cry.gif

http://www.blackstone-labs.com/report-explanation.php
contaminants are generally silicon, or insolubles
rest would generally be filtered by the oil filter.

then of course your engine wear biggrin.gif
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If I'm not wrong, Amsoil SS is a true PAO/Ester synthetic, not the refined hydrocracked base stock. That is one reason why it can last longer.

However I think it also depends on driving conditions you're in. If I'm not wrong, Zen used it before, not sure if its SS, but since he mentioned true synthetic, it seems at least for him, I think, it does not agree with his PE engine. Ran out of juice at abt 8-9k mileage, engine performance degraded after that. Very expensive also. Some more although the lube can last, our stock filter could not last more than 10K.

Thanks for the report....send to US kah? Very far and troublesome lor...Tot you found a local UOA test lab..

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post Sep 12 2014, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 12 2014, 09:14 AM)
it will if brake pad gets thinner.
the secondary usage of brake fluid level observation is pad life/indicator.
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For a new car, unlikely tho. Maybe a leak somewhere.
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post Sep 12 2014, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(TDUEnthusiast @ Sep 12 2014, 11:34 AM)
Eh.. So you're retaking UPSR English ka?
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post Sep 17 2014, 08:31 AM

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QUOTE(Petro-Canada @ Sep 16 2014, 09:38 PM)
Looking to buy 2012 or 2013 Persona to replace my totaled car, any issues to be concerned about?
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The biggest issue is you're buying a Proton.... whistling.gif
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post Sep 17 2014, 02:41 PM

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Yesterday, after leaving my car without starting for 10 days...cannot start.

Battery is still good as has left car up to 7-8 days without problem.

Called AAM and those guys are quite knowledgeable...mentioned engine lost compression where supposedly the piston or the ring whatever expanded with NO oil lubricating them (since 10 days).

Had to keep pumping the brake and alternate fuel accelerator. After quite a while, engine still cannot start but the grrr (trying to start) seems to be getting longer. Staff remove the air filter connecter to engine and actually pour in very small scoops of petrol directly into the engine (via the air duct). After quite a few start, managed to start the engine.

Mentioned one proton owner got same problem, don't want their help since under warranty, send to proton and ends up overhauling the engine pulak.

Wonder if force start this way will damage the engine or piston or not but they did manage to get it started.
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post Sep 17 2014, 02:45 PM

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btw, if someone knows about camber setting. My Civic FD rear right camber runs to -1.75 liao. Cannot adjust camber unless change the entire lower arm (that's the design if want to change camber)..

Is -1.75 for Civic FD stock setup still ok or not? Change to a RM400 local adjustable arm last time....but after only 1~1.5 years, kong. Had to change back to stock arm. Waste of money. Can change 1 tyre liao.

Don't know if other aftermarket arm good or not (HardRace, etc)? Or else can live with with -1.75 if not getting worse.
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post Sep 17 2014, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 17 2014, 02:52 PM)
if you maintain proper tire rotation, -1.7 camber is still within acceptable margins and no need to spend for rear adjustable camber kit (after 3 rotations, all 4 tires would get the slight additional inner wear anyways)

consider having both rear left/right toe in 1mm/total 2mm toe to even the wear a little as well (and having better driving stability)
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Thanks for the info. Solution seems simple and yet helps save a bundle that way besides the headache of new kits failing after some time.

For stock setup, at what range can the camber goes before it is deem necessary to switch to adjustable camber kit. It is so that I can monitor if the camber get running out to greater range before drastically affecting ride.
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post Sep 18 2014, 08:53 AM

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QUOTE(jasonloh7906 @ Sep 18 2014, 12:23 AM)
hmm, force starting the car doesn't sounds like a problem. Problem for me is whether the car is still startable. but overhauling the engine sounds too over for me. what's your mileage? I left my car for 1 month before without starting but still able to start. but just the battery discharge too much causes weak battery.
So now what's the update? your car going undergoes what repair?

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This is first time in my life kena the engine lost compression after leaving car for 10 days. Something abt vacuum and lack of oil in piston and piston or its ring kembang and sort of got stuck.

Anyway, driving 2 days liao. Seems ok. Mileage now 68k liao. Crossed my fingers, no issue with car for now.


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post Sep 18 2014, 11:32 AM

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Gonna change my tyres soon.

Still choosing between Goodyear Triplemax or Yoko C-Drive 2.

My NCT5 lasted almost 70k mileage. Maybe go back to Goodyear again. Both almost same price at RM195 and RM198 respectively.
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post Sep 18 2014, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(kennywee92 @ Sep 18 2014, 01:37 PM)
Brigdestone Ecopia 200 :thumb:
70k for NCT5 that's so low thread wear?! Wao wao wao.
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Only 1 tyres hitting the min. 1.6mm. The other one abt 1.7-1.8. The rear, 1.8-1.9.

My city tyres last time lasted abt 55k and changed at abt 3mm tread. Now no money drag till minimum.

While NCT5 has been whacked left and right by lots of users, I myself felt it is actually a good lasting tyres for its price. A bit hard, noisy when tread goes below 60%, handling suffer noticeably below 50%. It is still manageable and acceptable grip for avg daily driver running on city and highway standard speed.

As you can see, it lasted till now BUT please don't do hard brake, hard brake sure slide one...
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post Sep 18 2014, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(r3apers @ Sep 18 2014, 11:38 AM)
Bridgeston Ecopia... :thumb:
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Ecopia entry, triplemax mid, cd2 mid performance but not lasting.

Alamak more choice... rclxub.gif

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post Sep 18 2014, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(szaku89 @ Sep 18 2014, 02:06 PM)
Got a question here. For balancing and alignment, should I go back to proton service centre or any tyre shop can do a good job for persona?
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Do outside at tyre shop especially if you have a trusted ones. Cheaper, faster and more efficient. No SC warranty for tyres and alignment anyway.
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post Sep 18 2014, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(r3apers @ Sep 18 2014, 02:22 PM)
even thou ecopia is entry, but had a good grip in dry/wet, comfort but con is soft sidewall...

get RE002, ATR K-sport, RE030, BFGoodrich gGrip, Falken ZE914, Kumho Ecsta KU39, Yokohama Parada Spec 2, Yokohama ADVAN Sport, GT Radial Champiro HPX, Maxxis MA Z1 Victra, Neuton NT8000, Continental Sport Contact 5, Dunlop SP Sport Fast Response, Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2

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All cannot afford....
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post Sep 18 2014, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(iskazulka @ Sep 18 2014, 02:48 PM)
your so called NCT5 how much the price?
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OEM....come with car.
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post Sep 18 2014, 03:39 PM

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Stock size, not all tyres got, most does not actually. I want only stock size.

So far limited to these few models and the price I got is Klang price. If I'm not wrong CD2 elsewhere is at least RM210 and above.
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post Sep 18 2014, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(r3apers @ Sep 18 2014, 03:48 PM)
klang which shop u go oh?
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Teoh Brothers in Taman Sentosa. The price is good even against Kedai Papan (maybe papan sometimes a bit cheaper) but tyres and undercarriage service good. Got 1 mechanic specialize on alignment/balancing, etc.
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post Sep 18 2014, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(r3apers @ Sep 18 2014, 04:23 PM)
oic... coz i sumtimes go to the bukit kemuning the side wan.. price also ok...  laugh.gif
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Even kedai papan cheap, they're very busy thus lots of time cannot service you, alignment/thingy a bit cincai...

Found this shop got a few branch (sentosa is HQ) thus can get tyres at good rates as well. Last time I managed to get Hankook V12 at RM190 when even Papan selling at abt RM210 at the least.
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post Sep 19 2014, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(r3apers @ Sep 18 2014, 04:34 PM)
kedai papan if u wan go only weekday is the best and in the morning.

oic... i get my XM2 in bukit kemuning in 170... icon_rolleyes.gif
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Walaoeh.....how come so cheap unless its a 2 years and above tyres, Kedai Papan also cannot get that price. Its even cheaper than NCT5.
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post Sep 19 2014, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(dannyw @ Sep 19 2014, 11:04 AM)
Not serious, just can see the dust accumulate there. Not really notice the oil.

Was 3rd year + now, mileage 70K, still about the same. If not really harm, just drag, maybe can last few more years.

When google up, can see few blog, they DIY change the Gasket and glue back themselves.

Btw, for those after 60K, please counter check your Engine Belt (Not Timing Belt) for Water Pump, Air Con & etc. Mine notice some crack, and already change it.
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Mine also same since 45k. near 70K also. Mechanic mentioned a lot of proton also got same problem. Just leave it unless it get worse.
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post Sep 19 2014, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(dannyw @ Sep 19 2014, 11:29 AM)
Ya, the Mechanic told me the same, almost all Campro having this problem, and they did a lot already.

For me is wonder should spend this money and time or not?  hmm.gif

I would say not serious, as see the dust. If can see the oil stain leak out, then I guess no choice and have to replace already.

That's why ask here is better, as can get lot of the PE owner feedback.
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If really worry, then wipe clean and keep jalan for another 5 to 10K, see how bad is the leak. If still same, only dry dust, not wet with no detectable reduction in engine oil, I'll just leave it.

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