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post Jul 22 2014, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(LTZ @ Jul 22 2014, 06:51 AM)
This is not a normal rebels like boko haram or 3rd world rebels....this is a very pro-rebels, with sophisticated equipment which ATM also cant afford. Spetsnaz also might be among them
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Russian troop in civilian clothing

Maybe we should join rebel, get equipment for free. Our goverment, nak beli pun tak boleh. doh.gif Semua no money but ada duit for 1Malaysia pulak vmad.gif

Now even sulu canot shoot. It like seing a cat stealing a fish but canot beat it, just let the fish and cat get away. Dunno what the higher up are thinking wink.gif


QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Jul 22 2014, 10:07 AM)
MH17 : Rebels hand black boxes to Malaysia
22 JULY 2014
DONETSK, Ukraine : A senior separatist leader, Aleksander Borodai, handed over two black boxes from an airliner downed over eastern Ukraine to Malaysian experts in the city of Donetsk in the early hours today.

“ Here they are, the black boxes, ” Borodai told a room packed with journalists at the headquarters of his self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic as an armed rebel placed the boxes on a desk.
Both sides then signed a document, which Borodai said was a protocol to finalise the procedure after lengthy talks with the Malaysians.

“ I can see that the black boxes are intact, although a bit damaged. In good condition, ” Colonel Mohamed Sakri of Malaysian National Security Council said in extending his thanks to “ His Excellency Mr Borodai ” for passing on the recorders.

Borodai also said a train carrying the remains of the victims of the Malaysia Airlines plane catastrophe has reached Donetsk. It is on its way to Kharkiv, some 300 km (186 miles) north-west.
The Malaysian experts and a Dutch delegation also on site in Donetsk will travel along with it, he said.
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hope the correct serial number and not tampered with

I think russian finally force the rebel to give to Malaysia consider our good ties with them. So far our media statement and response have not targeted Russia in anyway apart from labeling the rebels as terrorist in Ukraine. Western media in every statement have targeted Russia and its role

Given that, Malaysia future procurement on medium range air defense, BUK will out of the option for fear it might cause an uproar. On other side, it work well given that it sa-11 older version not the sa-17
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post Jul 22 2014, 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(remyzero09 @ Jul 22 2014, 12:21 PM)
Tak mungkin Malaysia akan beli apa-apa SAM dari Russia kecuali terbukti bahawa Russia tidak bersalah dalam insiden MH17.
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Will still buy.. just not tis soon. Once the matter die down, russian will offer again

Now is the sanctions problem. Dunno how russia going to export weapons to countries once US put great sanctions on the company tat alleged supplied weapon on the rebels
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post Jul 24 2014, 04:59 PM

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Great we are left behind again
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post Jul 24 2014, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Jul 24 2014, 06:45 PM)
92 mil only? thats cheap...maybe the pinoy bought the basic ones, with basic electronic system, armanent and etc..even so, thats pretty cheap..RMN dun want ka? rather than spending half a billion ringgit on Mini-Dokdo..  sweat.gif
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china ldp type 71 look not bad

plus cheap
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post Jul 24 2014, 09:57 PM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Jul 24 2014, 09:54 PM)
interested in that one too  drool.gif
but it's very unlikely for our armed forces to procure China's product other than SAM and anti-tank system
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come in packs

ldp, sam and anti-tanks laugh.gif
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post Jul 25 2014, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Jul 25 2014, 06:57 AM)
Navantia Atlas 13000 quite gooding.
it have been offer to us.
Similar to Galicia class but with several major improvements.
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hope that when we buy their ldp type 71 we can get HQ-16 SAM in same package deal

I do heard the gapu is also considering the buk besides the hq-16 and ks-1 for the medium range air defence. But given the BUK association with MH17, I think high chances will be cancelled out

although, i dont realy fancy china equipment because most likely we will be in odd with them some time in the future, but given how outdated our military force have become, china equipment should be considered heavily also
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post Aug 1 2014, 08:38 PM

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QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ Aug 1 2014, 08:31 PM)
One is Israel friend, the other a strong supporter of Palestinian cause. I'm sure Singapore and Malaysia will most likely never come to blow, but the the possibility is there. So we must be prepared.
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war of words maybe

war of arms, tunggu sampai durian tumbuh atas pokok kelapa la laugh.gif

too dependent on each other to even consider war... But i do know, our arms force like to compare to theirs not for war purpose but it make purchasing easier

singapore got this xxx from US, we simply switch to Russia or Europe, for example

Also easier for arm dealer, tak payah susah prepare proposal f neighbour already have laugh.gif
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post Aug 3 2014, 07:45 PM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Aug 3 2014, 03:38 PM)
ooo MEIO is the name for Malaysia's CIA?  ohmy.gif
all this time i though intelligence are only done by SB, Kor Risik

btw, al-Qassam are quite a modern, disciplined, skillful militant force..close to a regular army..very different from other militant..even FARC with it's vast resource, don't have such level of quality within it's force...
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SP is like FBI
Kor risik is like NSA

Meio is like CIA answer directly to the peraon in charge of the country

Meio must be involved in the broker deal on mh17. If not how our pm can get direct contact? Of course, unless russia secretly help but then again russia wont not public announce it
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post Aug 7 2014, 01:43 AM

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^ blunder

but surprising malaysia is doubtful about the claim when first reported, does it mean malaysia intelligence agency is better than pinoy own network on keeping tab terrorist?


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post Aug 7 2014, 02:15 AM

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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Aug 7 2014, 02:08 AM)
well, if msia cant verify the news themselves they are equally weak, dont you think so?

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dont know what you mean by defense system.. but i would give a 6
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malaysia intelligence in that region is better in my opinion, that why when pinoy claim he dead, malaysia does not think that was the case
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post Aug 7 2014, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Aug 7 2014, 12:36 PM)
can transport MBT?  hmm.gif
hmm, when was the latest jungle war? i dont think it is right taking viet n malaya as a example... that happened quite long ago

you're right to say mbt or even tanks would not be very effective in jungle warfare but i doubt these days people would fight in the jungle.. or at least not in big battles
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jungle is almost 80% of malaysia, if you not fight in jungle how do you flush out all the enemies? sweat.gif

Basically in city you are a sitting duck because you are surrounded by jungle, that why the idea fight for the surrounding then only take the city


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post Aug 7 2014, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Aug 7 2014, 03:46 PM)
pinoy like to draw a lot of art work...
true also.. but if enemy takes major cities but dont pursue to jungle... wat can msia do?  hmm.gif  just wondering...

why sitting duck?
hmm... doubt nsa hv many field operatives.. most death are during counter intelligence offensive or in field station
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simple like what happen in iraq and syria now

u hold major city no point, the route entering to the city are held by rebels essentially cutting you from supplies etc etc
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post Aug 20 2014, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Aug 20 2014, 11:43 AM)
According to Marhalim in his blog unlike the RSN Formidable Class with a tonnage of around 4400++  tonnes the RMN LCS Gowind with a tonnage of 2500++ tonnes is too small to accomodate the Aster.

http://www.malaysiandefence.com/?p=4705
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The chosen radar and combat system is not suitable for aster missle or so it seem. Radar too short range

Tonnage does not really play a role because aster 15 amd aster 30 fit to the same vls.

Plus, it just slightly heavier. 8 ton extra in an already 3000ton ship is just a bag sand on it. Meaning it quite light
QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ Aug 20 2014, 02:21 PM)
We could've build similar facility. In fact we can easily build a mockup city for urban warfare training since we have the land to do so. Why our military planners still stuck with battle in a kampung and palm oil plantation is anyone guess.
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Ask army take pulau melaka. Abonden project with urban environment. Free sumore

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post Aug 20 2014, 02:45 PM

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Regarding our lcs.. the one thing i canot brain is

That much spent and it cant even afford a proper CIWS instead 30mm gun for close in defense

French, ask for goalkeeper ciws lah, i don think it that hard to get it. Cheaper russian but of course integration issues

Or from our warming ties with US on phlanx ciws.
Tat 30mm is not even capable of rapid fire to counter any fast moving sea missile
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post Aug 20 2014, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Aug 20 2014, 02:42 PM)
The only shining hope from the gowind ships is that the design allows for more headroom of any future vls launcher
So dun lose hope
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Aster 15 or aster 30 would need an overhaul in radar system not just the vls

Seeing the type 45 and formidable class, that what is needed.

I think the navy also highlighted its need for area defense instead of point defense. Then again is must be like the centrak government say NO, go for cheaper one

No offence, but based on the configuration, our lcs is like a big dog with small tooths. It can bite but not hard enough.
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post Aug 20 2014, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(lulz @ Aug 20 2014, 02:49 PM)
No need waste ammo, we use mica as anti missile defense. hehe. I think the new 57mm can shoot down missile with specialized ammo too.
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Ciws is usually the last final defense. Even with mica, the odd of it striking is still not 100% guaranteed

Ciws is neeeded to increase that percentage.

That why i say, tat price tag and not even one proper ciws is ridiculous
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post Aug 20 2014, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Aug 20 2014, 03:01 PM)
Royal Thai Navy DSME DW 3000H & Indonesian Navy Sigma PKR 10514 both are to be equipped with CIWS.

DSME DW 3000H ----> Phalanx
Sigma PKR 10514 ----> Rheinmetall Millenium Gun
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i wonder what that dsa 30mm gun capable off other than target shooting or practice

i seriously doubt it have the rate of fire needed for it to be called a ciws

QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Aug 20 2014, 03:08 PM)
The price tag also includes upgrading and building new shipyard for boustead to build those ships, deswai it looks expensive for just 6 ships..

Though sometime I also dun like gomen policy of lautan biru, well what to do
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phalanx and goalkeeper i would say not tat expensive. It not like we wanted it to equip with RAM or SEARAM whistling.gif
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post Aug 20 2014, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Aug 20 2014, 03:43 PM)
All this talks about SGPV.. I wanna NGPV or kedah class batch 2 to materialize..

Or at least for the current NGPV to be armed..
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Tunggu lama lama ... laugh.gif

QUOTE(waja2000 @ Aug 20 2014, 03:47 PM)
It just a Anti-Submarine version Frigate (Navy also confirm as Anti-Sub spec), so for Air defense spec choose just basic spec. just our not too happy with too low spec for Air defense,it should be in middle range Air defense capability (around 50~70km)
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20km max for mika.. basically it point defense ship
50-70 is aster 15 range


QUOTE(waja2000 @ Aug 20 2014, 03:56 PM)
Smart-S 3D, range is ok, HERAKLES also same range, but Smart-S is too weak for Air-defense, the radar  Update rate 4.4 sec for defense rate, 4.4 sec, to slow to track enemy jet, 4.4 sec very far jet can flight already.  compare to Thales HERAKLES or Sea master 400 which use  AESA technlogy, radar screen updated rate just 1 sec.
other think, DCNS prefer use Thales radar (france), not see ship use other radar yet. except Italy Fremm using own country Seles AESA radar. if dont want Thales radar, than have to change other ship builder like Damen or Blohm + Voss which more open on radar selection.
just Anti-submarine version Frigate, so other spec just very basic,
hope fully Navy next 6 unit lcs as Anti-Air Warfare version Frigate with AESA radar, but need wait 10 year later, haha。
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just wonder why they swithc to smart-s

thales herkles is also from thales what laugh.gif
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post Aug 22 2014, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(wanvadder @ Aug 22 2014, 09:35 AM)
EC725 arriving at Bunga Raya Complex, KLIA.
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https://www.facebook.com/nstonline/photos/m...?type=1&theater
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I saw a few of them at Sungai Besi base yestarday morning. They must have stopped there first before going to KLIA
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post Aug 23 2014, 01:33 PM

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Just wait and see which branch will get their share this year. Navy already have their lcs and air force with the mig replacement. While the army have long been out since the last major procurement of pt91m tanks

Army already wanted a mid range sam system and a self propelled artillery.

So this rmk will see the between the army and airforce on who will get what they want. But a new radar system is sure to be on the list given the air force bigger leverage

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