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post Aug 23 2014, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Aug 23 2014, 09:45 AM)
24 units Leopard 2A4 & 28 units Marder IFV of the Indonesian Army due to arrive on August 28th 2014.

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post Aug 23 2014, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Aug 23 2014, 02:07 PM)
RMK budget follow trend i think around less USD 5 Billion(development budget) for 5 year  .... unless Gov increase alot on budget
GOV already spend alot money for Army on AV8,SAM already in MOU with china, wait to see next 1~2 year for Mou results. Army Top should be  Attack Heli, and self propelled artillery, maybe next phase MBT. 
For Navy pass news they also request Kedah class upgrade, ASW Heli, FAC replacement, LPD, also heli for LCS. 
Airforce should be get bigger budget,like MRCA,MPA/AEW, Hawk replacement.
ESSCOM new Army/navy/Airforce base in Lahat latu? new Boat? surveillance radar ?
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All those are based on previous budget.

Usually new budget is for new procurement project. But army would like an attack heli as well as sam and arty the most

Airforce would like a new radar system

Navy would be the ldp

But i got a feeling army this year may get what they want. Mostly because the item in their wish list cheapest except the attack heli and sam of course
QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Aug 23 2014, 03:12 PM)
Yes...too bright. But the final camo could be like this

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More like they copy n paste the grey on the green

Malaysia camo look nicer for their darker tone
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post Aug 23 2014, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Aug 23 2014, 03:38 PM)
Airforce is the one who left out the most.
army and navy already have their big ticket.
sgpv and av8.
Airforce did not get anything in prior of 2010-2015.
Though they supposed to get mig replacement done in thesetime frame.
Unfortunately nothing happen for them.

next rmk we might see.
navy - asw heli, fac, kedah and lekui class upgrade.
Airforce - mmrca, aew, long range radar and mpa
Army - mid range sam, sph, attack heli.

Airforce have a good chance get what they asking for.
as some insider rumors were quite positive.

As for sph, asw heli, mid range sam and attack heli remain hopeful.
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What are the hopefull candidates for mmrca?
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post Aug 23 2014, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Aug 23 2014, 04:43 PM)
Rafale and sh.
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Lease or straight purchase?
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post Aug 23 2014, 08:12 PM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Aug 23 2014, 05:50 PM)
question, why singapore likes F-15s and why Indo's like F-16s? why they don't go for F-18 like us?
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f-15 is mainly air superiority fighter, good for defending air space especially small island like Singapore. They no need for large bombing capacity.

f-18 is multirole fighter, suitable for us due to out small procurement number and most important it twin engine

f-16 is also a multirole figther but it single engine something that our air force have avoided. Mmrca i think twin engine with two seater variant have a higher chance of winning

trivia... we always avoided having what the neighbour have, that why u wont see the same inventory laugh.gif

QUOTE(nufix @ Aug 23 2014, 07:13 PM)
that was a quick paint job only for the parade

Today's indonesian leopard tanks camo look like this

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darker tone in paddy field. I wonder how it will perform while on wet paddy field
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post Aug 23 2014, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Aug 23 2014, 10:00 PM)
Just remembered something i read a while ago
i think the most probable mrca now is the eurofighter and sh-18, both my favourites thumbup.gif  n maybe gripen but thailand alr using. And it seems we might get 36-40 mrca  rclxm9.gif
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Under the MRCA, the RMAF is looking to equip three squadrons with 36 to 40 new fighter aircraft.


i think this is a little far fetch.. 18 is a more realistic number considering our budget is not big and going by Malaysia, sure there will be extra customization made on request by the air force which add to the overall cost

but then again, need confirmation on this smile.gif
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post Aug 24 2014, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Aug 23 2014, 10:33 PM)
easy, buy FC-1 Batch2  ...... 1 unit Typhoon/Rafale can buy 3 unit FC-1 jet, so 1 squadrons  Typhoon/Rafale = 3 squadrons, than solved all 3 squadrons needed. each 1 squadrons for Sabah/Sarawak and Pekan. haha laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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laugh.gif Mana ada that much duit.. remember army and navy have their own long wish list as well blush.gif

QUOTE(junchuan @ Aug 23 2014, 10:34 PM)
I think the govt might commit to it because this news was written 10 days after mh370 plus because of the spratly islands thing, maybe najib will gib us surprise by giving armed forces bigger budget in next rmk, also i think the news is govt controlled
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no.. it not from goverment source news, it written by someone, onlline news anyone can write anything. Take with a pinch of salt

no far no official letter request for information, therefore, we wont know the actual number until the tender notice is up. For now, it just anyone guess. My guess is 18 to be more reasonable

QUOTE(waja2000 @ Aug 23 2014, 10:38 PM)
Possible include a squadrons to replace hawk...
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hawk.. i heard will have extended service life making their immediate replacement not so urgent or in the next replacement phase after the mrca hmm.gif

mig29 have alot of maintenance issues or so again i heard

QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Aug 23 2014, 11:03 PM)
Nowadays US policy more or less the same like russia, got moneh? Come here bebeh~
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nope.. still same

you buy this 100 missile, US give you 20 biji for your own usage at your own country, the remaining they keep until you request for it even if you already pay full amount
they dont want give , you cant do anything also.
I got this from recent iraq purchase where US will help store some of the purchaseD missile, canot remember whre i read it though

That why, mahathir was angry, I buy, I paid full price, I canot use vmad.gif and switch our weapon purchase to europe and russian
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post Aug 24 2014, 12:15 AM

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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Aug 24 2014, 12:08 AM)
f-35 delay... that's why
well, itu US buat kacau... say international waters but it is right at china's door step.. if china does the same, US would do the same as well
sg got nearly 80 f-16s... indo no choice, part of donation.. f-18 designed for carrier
sg got f-16 for bombing... their f-15s to take control of air, can do light bombing..

twin engine so 1 hilang got 1 more?  brows.gif  lol, joke joke...

if f16vs f18 dog fight.. i think f16 might win..
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not sure, i asked the same question as well but it seem the air force is mainly interested in twin engine and and best two sit variant

dog fight? Most likely they will send the mkm and mig up instead of f18, better equid for the task on hand

anyway, with Malaysia wanting a mid range SAM, i am sure most our immediate neighbours will have their eyes blinking once it purchased

sadly after the mh17 incident, chances of buk being selected sure going down the drain

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post Aug 24 2014, 03:07 AM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Aug 24 2014, 02:42 AM)
well buk was never in ATM plan anyway
only Starstreak with Pantsir as small dome protection
SLAMRAAM for medium dome protection while the S300/S400 for the rest

opss me thinks me talk too much
but meh if only the gomen is serious to pour money like they used to  whistling.gif
kesian TUDM  sad.gif
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SLAMRAAM? are you sure?

I was told that it was like mentioned once during meeting then no news after that because other cheaper and equally range system like for example the buk are considered. pantsir again i also heard for point defense purpose but no news after that
They say they try to opt for russian or europe even maybe china based system first before american

from past news, i can see why laugh.gif

s300/s400 got news said offered to us but again seeing our budget rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif Especially if 1M duit masuk pocket still on, no hope lah rolleyes.gif
no point having one battalion, should have a few then can consider nation wide air defence tongue.gif

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post Aug 24 2014, 03:18 AM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Aug 24 2014, 03:12 AM)
Tbh if we have money I prefer we going for MEADS.
but seeing our small budget it would be very cost effective we go for saab bamse.
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well i doubt we will be getting any sam tis rmk.. it was in the back burner for so long

maybe sph since some of it already under testing in malaysia, just tunggu duit masuk laugh.gif
kesian malaysia, even if opposition were to take over, our arm forces will still get cuts cry.gif
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post Aug 24 2014, 03:20 AM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Aug 24 2014, 03:13 AM)
I tot slaamraam is a bust, no future prospect, no production line, the thing is not even complete when the budget is cut?

[Air Defense: SLAMRAAM Dies From Loneliness]
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maybe the other variant, NASAMS since based on the same missile
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post Aug 24 2014, 03:30 AM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Aug 24 2014, 03:22 AM)
Meh, I was being funny laar  laugh.gif
that why I said I maybe talked a little much
the Pantsir deal at one time look a little to certain
macam dah nak kompom dah until the sound of cricket tongue.gif
the article was in 2011 right?
heh it was wayy before that, it was in the plan before the retirement of the starburst  brows.gif
maybe the US are that desperate at that time kot
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pantsir kena the famous "no surplus" reason again? whistling.gif whistling.gif

well i do hope we get some good long range sam first then just medium. At least boleh tunjuk whoever come near me, i shoot u down first laugh.gif

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post Aug 24 2014, 06:02 AM

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QUOTE(Dreadstar @ Aug 24 2014, 05:49 AM)
If mrca going for SH... why not choose advance version. iinm boeing already offer us the advance super horny for our mrca...
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what the point of having most advance figther but with risk canot shoot missile due to congress issues or half the inventory have to keep at US bases instead of our owns? whistling.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif

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post Aug 24 2014, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(xtemujin @ Aug 24 2014, 07:08 AM)
If you go the Russian route, you'll have problems with spare parts just like the Indian AirForce (IAF).

It gets that bad that the IAF is now procuring defence equipments from USA.
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It was in the initial stage. It solved now.

Iaf procure equipment from usa because of warming ties and also diverse their inventory from western block region

Do note during india nuclear weapon programme, usa place an embargo on them. So they only can get equipment from russia

Our mig29 have spare part issue because it direct from Russia. Russia slow give spare parts. Su is from irkut while have less spare part issues and they building spare part factory here. So it another plus.

I nvr a fan of usa equipment not because i boycott them but rather the dumb restrictions they place on them. I pay full price but cant use full capabilities idea

But then again i alao heard our air force like usa made despite the restrictions placed on them because reliability issues. Russia not so. It was during mahathir time tis idea changed when we start looking from eastern block
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post Aug 24 2014, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(Dreadstar @ Aug 24 2014, 09:44 AM)
Not growler ... our cik su is enuff for that task. Advance super horny even US navy belum guna. I read somewhere that boeing already offer us this version for mrca.

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Btw I didn't know thre such plane as super horny jets.
Must be got xtra vibration function... hahaha

Most likely searching for international customer

Usa is already too commited in its f35 programme

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post Aug 25 2014, 12:54 AM

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QUOTE(wkkm007 @ Aug 24 2014, 11:04 PM)

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post Aug 25 2014, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Aug 25 2014, 11:49 AM)
Hehe found the articles.
I dun expect much from these but it will be cheaper than kedah class.
however since then we dun have much info on these and wont be surprising as even its rfi were low profile only been notice in dsa2014.

DSA 2014: DSME reveals missile corvette proposal for Malaysian Navy

South Korea's Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering (DSME) showcased its proposal for a missile surface corvette (MSC) for the Royal Malaysian Navy (RMN) at DSA 2014.
Junho (Bruno) Joung of DSME's Naval and Special Ship Marketing Team, told IHS Jane'son 15 April that the model is being presented to the RMN in response to its request for information to replace at least three platforms with new corvettes.

The proposed vessel has a length of 85.5 m, a beam of 12.9 m and displaces 1,800 tonnes at full load. The corvette can reach a top speed of in excess of 25 kt.
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Replacement for?
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post Aug 25 2014, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Aug 25 2014, 03:11 PM)
Err.
it will be build locally but currently with ngv tech having dispute and financial woes not sure these project will goes on.
Ngv tech too aggressive with their expension plans really put themselves into tight spot.
anyway back to the boustead, yes they are upgrading their ship yards however they have their hand full now.
which I doubt they have the capacity to fill two order at the same times.
if navy want new ship asap they have to find others ship yards.
which is a good thing if it were not monopoly by boustead.
besides the government still bind with boustead on the 27 ngpv contract which only fulfill just 6 ship and on going 6 gowind class and 15 more ship to go.
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27ngpv? i though already cancelled after only 6 was ordered (kedah class)
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post Aug 25 2014, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Aug 25 2014, 03:21 PM)
Mana ada cancel it being rectify under sgpv contract.
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i always thought the new gowind is new contract after the kedah class was cancelled. nvr thought it continuation or readjustment
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post Aug 25 2014, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Aug 25 2014, 03:31 PM)
That y sgpv default it will be boustead as main contractor.
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that mean it highly unlikely we will get new class of ship until tis 27 order is fulfil

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