my dream of a team come out with sentinel combo that will demolish all scourge combo gone d,

http://www.smm.net.my/forum/viewtopic.php?t=47

hrm still want to use 6.32b? maybe should change to 6.34
and can share town portal scroll? cool

I think its because of the tp will stack once you accidentally pick it up from ur teammates. Thats y they come up with this rule. Just IMO.

basically v stil follow dota recommended stable map which is 6.32b
^^

wow
AP rules....
wow
Drafting at 12 August at SMM HQ...
today so many unexpected thing happen...
More to come... WCG also using AP rules ? i think they will do it also , it more easy for marshall and gamers... Train 1 rule and own it !!! thing goes like this, i think the standardize rule for DotA community will using AP Draft match.... It a good thing !!! CHILL

duh if ap is used

whatever happened to sentinel vs scourge , good vs evil! living against undead!

EXPLAIN!

Well... Forget about the princip for DotA
at first, why must Sentinel Vs Scourge ?? why must Heaven Vs Hell ? why must Good Vs Evil ?? this just the basic thing we know in our life...
but for game even war... USA open war with those Country who disobey them one, are USA counted as Good Side ?? if yes, did you think everyone agree with you ?? ppl will say USA is in Evil side too... well this is just the example.....

What i know is, By using AP rule.. it will become more balance.
Save alot time in using AP rules
All about personal skill
and the most important thing... Save Cost !!!

just my 2 cents ^^;

YAY! AP GAME! OMNIKNIGHT AND ABADDON COMBO PWN!
EDITED: Ops, forgot they use 6.32b, LOL

This post has been edited by Hell Fire: Aug 4 2006, 07:02 PM

AP cant never make the game balance. heck, -Tr would be much better actually.

How funny, western player didnt whine about how imbalance is v632 scourage team while msia player screaming like sissy girl about scourage imbalance..Sigh..Msia still have long way to go...

Because malaysia is not playing the whole match until the game ends.

This post has been edited by nles: Aug 5 2006, 12:50 AM

True true. In other countries, different rules are applied. Eg, in Singapore, the game goes on until you completely destroy your opponent throne, but in Malaysia, a time limit is restricted. Malaysia DOTA players are not sissies, imbaness really will cause teams to lose.

Different rules applies to different situation.

thumbs up, u got the point

guess DOTA tourney just going down hill now.....next thing u know tourney will be using SAME HERO MODE since all 10 players using the same heroes must be even more FAIR than AP Mode......

i guess team GAYA and Kingsurf saw this coming for malaysia tourney and migrate to WOW instead of taking part in this gayness.....

well, World of Warcraft, here i come.......btw, are they going to implement a MMORPG into WCG in 2007? i guess right now is good time to start polishing up my PK skills,

failed to see the point of it...what do you mean? If your opponent decide to play fast game, give you 3000 minute time-limit dont even matter if you are down under 30 min.

It not like:
"Hey since there is no time limit, let pick item-dependant hero and farm and own later because we know our opponent wont finish the game so fast..Lalala..It sure balance isnt it?"

If not, Care to elobrate more?



No..it would be like this..

EM + SH mode = Fastest game play ever and it is balance...and it make those Marshall job easier than before.

seriously, if you guys want balance, -mm or -tr is more justified.

and I think you guys should write some suggestion to Icefrog about those tavern.

Dear Icefrog, Would you mind to put all those sentinel and scourage tavern in the same side?Ya know..for balance issue and screw the sentinel Vs Scourage theme..we dont like it.

This post has been edited by zxcvbnm: Aug 5 2006, 10:33 PM

JB standard so low where can compare to KL teams

Depends on how each teams sees it. In American forums , there is a general knowledge that scourge has a slight advantage over sentinal based on the winning rate on teams using scourge in their CAL league.

The only way of playing a fair senti/scourge game is to let the players from both sides play till one of the tree/throne is taken down , where players from both sides can plan the game as a whole and the strategies werewill be more varied and interesting. Depends on game play styles, this may well results in epic games that can last for 2 hours or more every time.

Unfortunately due to the constraint of LAN tourneys in Malaysia which rented the whole Cybercafe or parts of a shopping mall for 2 days to organise large tourneys like SMM and WCG , epic games like this will destroy their planning either financially or timing.

Do your math , do you think SMM earned anything from those tourneys based on teams joined and prize money gave away? I think they are running at a serious loss each time they hold these tourneys. And how about those players who joined? They spent countless amount of money training in cafes , came up with the courage and money to join the tourney , some drove or take a bus across cities and states just to join a tourney which they themselves know may not win it if one of their teammates make a mistake etc. All these parties , organisers and players alike do all this for the love of the game . They sacrificed their time , money , some even respect from their parents and peers to join a tournament with 4 other good friends that they trust because they love the game. Knowing this , the organisers have tried hard to make the rules as fair as possible for all parties.

Since this is the finals of SMM , the organiser can make it look like an elimination round where some teams drove 6 hours to join this tourney may well go home after 1 game which they lost. Not fair is it? So the organisers make it a league type of play to choose the 8 teams that qualify for the elimination. So , a team who losses every match in this finals will have a minimum 3 games to play under these rules. The American rules will make the tourney's timing go way out of control that may result in teams playing till 2-3 am in the morning. All this will only burden the gamers and the organisers. It is much better if the organisers can control their time better.

It is natural for players leaving Dota due to other commitments like studying abroad and other challenges. Teams like Gaya are once great clans that mesmerizes us with amazing skills in the version 5 era. But their place is rightly taken over by great teams like Enet , SK , Cybertime etc. Emerging teams like OMG from Kuantan may potentially be a strong contender for the traditional strong clans. I just want to point out that teams leaving Dota not purely of the rules but can be of other factors as well.

As for AP mode , a lot people may ask the reasoning behind this. For me , it is the best way to go under Malaysia constraints. It is the only way we can see strategy and skills from players being applied in a fair system that fits into the financial and time constraints of the organiser. Sure no one can argue about its integrity as the most "IMBA" thing i can think off of this rule is the coin toss where the winner gets to choose his side AND the first hero (which most probably be lich in my opinion). Hero variedness is preserved because of the AP draft mode which enables 10 different heroes got chosen (there goes your MM mode). Teams is responsible on thier choices as the heroes they choose could be used to apply their strategies on or counter enemy heroes (there goes AR which practically does nothing in proving team skills and coordination , and based on computer randomness).

As for Kingsurf playing WOW. No offence , but have they been one of the top teams before? I personally saw them play at the ZoneX Version 5 tourney (which I presume thats the peak of their history) and their skills just do not cut it with the best I have seen . Maybe people think they are good as they are the best in Johor .Well , from their Johor SMM qualifier replays, they will have to work damn hard to even get pass the preliminaries in the Grand finals. This is what i personally think based on other states replays . Who knows? they may prove me wrong in the Grand Finals.

WOW really addictive and interesting to play , but as in anything in life, one must work hard to achieve greatness. For those once "pro" players who migrate to WOW it will only mean sadness for the Dota scene but it is their personal choice. I am sure other players will arise and take their place in due time.

Well said, but dam long essay.
See until my eyes blur.

HOpe SMM grand final change the Venue ... NOT FTZ Asian.Net Please... LOL every 10min save 1 time game.. =_+

y ler ? the cafe pc spec nice wert...

FTZ seriously rox sial.
They make most of the team from winning become lose.
From losing become win.
When having fatal error, losing team got the chance to know the future and change it. What i mean is change the game play.
This make the losing teams become winner. Funny rite?
Hahahaha it's like SKz vs BZ2. Skz owning suddenly dong. GG
And team Wizz1, owning in first 20 minutes and roll back 10 minutes make everything change, xD
and even their last chance in minutes 57. DONG! GG


This post has been edited by LiLjeno: Aug 7 2006, 08:20 AM