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 4 Critical Signs of a Bubble Market V6, Signs are already there in Malaysia

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post May 4 2014, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ May 4 2014, 10:18 AM)
banks also has sales target especially collection department... non prompt payments will reduce their collection target..

remember the property is being speculated... cars are not...

by foreclosing the property inflated ones... banks are actually pulling the property market down .ie correcting if defaulters many...

now, banks want money, once auction you will see many takers around be it runner, agents, buyers and etc.. the price auction price is affordable..

remember property price today is because ppl cant afford not because they cant buy..

with new buyers from foreclosed property... price are lower and most time reflective of the property at that point of time.. and banks loans are more often that not hit 90%..

good point to note government can force banks to do so if they are serious in correction..
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Every company should have someone responsible to collect debts to maximise cashflow and not with the purpose to make the customer bankrupt.
Pulling down the prop price do not benefit the bank, gov and economy. It may not benefit you as well. Dont be so naive that you can pick the dead chicken when market crash. Most likely u will also lost your job and bank not willing to lend u money.


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post May 4 2014, 07:08 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ May 4 2014, 06:57 PM)
Mb a few issue need to be address before jumping into those conclusion:
a) what can 38 k or even 50k buy?
b) does subsales market offer such cheap prop?
c) does it worth the value flipped prop
d) does bank give due valuation of 90% especially newly vp prop.

dont you tink this is high entry too.. 750k palm walk 3 cant get 90% loan but 80% loan..

meaning 20% DP= 150k? Or less? What can 38 k or 50kbuy? Not even 10% I presume..

Mb can ask bank officer and agents about dis..

I agree with UFO .. private treaty are most been selling.. but transacted price via this surely a slashed ... furthermo4e.. cant hide when S&P time.. ppl check vendor ccris.. ctos b4 releasing loan and etc.. dun get urself in trouble..

with nearing auction proceedings must have been commenced.. ccris sure all koyak will raise suspicion.. bank can abort the loan even offer letter was given..it provided in loan agreement..
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Tao ke...if you cannot afford 750k prop. Buy 300k lo. If still cannot 100k lo...
Seller go for auction when problem arise. Buyer buy from auction also got problem? You really need to think before type.
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post May 4 2014, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(Fazab @ May 4 2014, 08:02 PM)
Waiting here also. To buy one more prop.

But not because not enough money.

Because not wanting to pay for overvalue prop.

This is my opinion and choice. Nobody has to agree or follow. Dun shoot me.
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This is your choise. Nobody will say you are wrong or right. You must ready with bullet to shoot whem chance come. Just wondering whete u put your bullet now?
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post May 4 2014, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(Tigerr @ May 4 2014, 08:50 PM)
For me, I park under my flexi current account to save interest n can withdraw immediately when need the bullets...
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QUOTE(Rabel @ May 4 2014, 08:54 PM)
If u oredy dun have any loan. Then how?.  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
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Me too...keep at very minimum. I calculated. Interest a year less than rm200. Take it as bank charges to maintain a OD line. tongue.gif but i just wondering any better way?
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post May 4 2014, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(Rabel @ May 4 2014, 09:12 PM)
No no no,
I saying no loan but got bullet now. So, where park the bullet ? biggrin.gif
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No gearing not a good strategy. Buy now. Haha..
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post May 5 2014, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ May 5 2014, 09:48 AM)
I m lumping all BBB groups together and address lahh..so it a case of false alarm.. less profit..

actually since you ask ur agent in d lowest transacted price.. and no such record.. surely your agents know of d highest price around agents selling point or average price transacted.. this should be got record gua..

there are list transacted 560k.. 580k lowest spec..those should be the average ones...

now we have 490k and  535k..transacted post 5 months vp.. oh we are now profit less and not drop..

just wondering.. Gs spirit and jolokia posted b4 and even myself with new article confirming d same that CHINA AND SINGAPORE drop 30% and 7% respectively.. I m wondering what kind of drop is it?

a) drop from asking price as we discussed?
b) tigers version of drop from purchase price?

my guess is a... what you said.. readers are waiting for your replies... or the newspaper is wrong should not write DROP but LESS PROFIT  instead..

we now basically have ur answer... advice ur mates to step away from drop from purchase price.. that is negative and dangerous..DDD dun behave like dis

really ... if I were to say sth like dat already goreng..  outnumber issue spotted..selective comments too.. kochin leh? Zuiko leh? Important man MINOLTA?..

readers you evaluate drop or less profit? When there is staggering transacted price 560k.. 580k.. minolta even confirm no units below 560k.
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there is 1 mistake you make in your calculation. monthly repayment of 1.5K consist of interest and principal. only interest burn but principal is not.
also on the price drop, as long as the resale amount higher than loan amount, ie when the seller no need to top up money to settle its loan upon selling, nobody is going to jump down from 14th floor.
China and singapore market is totalling different from malaysia market. if you really wan to link these 2 market, you should also consider US and europe market as well.

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post May 5 2014, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ May 5 2014, 10:25 AM)
The crucial question is...

" is it PRICE DROP or LESS PROFIT"
China ans singapore is price drop or less profit?

No one denies he is profiting .. no need jump.. [COLOR=red]but look at owner 97k still dun want let go..[COLOR=red]

greedy perhaps? Or no buyers like the rest 180 units because of run down shops down there?

as tigerr and man u said.. 97 k a lot wor take long time to save too..  pointing the gun to wrong person.. the selker upon profiting 97k feels not enough.. he wants to whack 200k..

greedy?
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so now you are not happy with these group of people who don't want to let go even with 97K profit is it? what's wrong? you can't force people to make less proft right?

After following you for few months, what is your complaint actually? if affordability, nobody ask you to buy 750K if you hav problem pay monthly instalment. You still can find 75K house. If you wan to complaint people make too much profit, then you are a bit naive. it is as good as asking people to give you some money for no reason. If you want to warn people that the market going to crash soon, what is your argument? simply because china and singapore "drop"? These 2 market is still fine as of today. For China, the GDP growth rate is determine by gov, not market. Please read more.

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post May 5 2014, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ May 5 2014, 11:17 AM)
Other than ghost towns, the rest of cina stil healthy. Maybe I'm wrong.
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those ghost towns are at outskirt, and how it affect china economy, nobody can tell. From economy theory, it should at a bad shape. But that is China, what the gov is going to do with it?
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post May 5 2014, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ May 5 2014, 02:55 PM)
bank values upto 550k according to agents..
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that bank officer and valuer must minum kopi one.
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post May 5 2014, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ May 5 2014, 02:03 PM)
i never say i am unhappy or has personal vendetta against owners of GT.. this is naive.. ppl wont sell you their prop just because you are unhappy..

i think is fair for you to judge what are DDD means... drop (we have new term less profit) from asking price and not drop from purchasing price..

maybe he type too fast..

750k was just an example..
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the price drop as publised by URA Singapore refered to transacted price. But again, transacted price drop do not mean property owner is going to jump down from 14th floor. You can see that when trasacted price drop, volume also drop. People just hold on. why are you so excited with the few % drop? You should only excited when it drop below the purchase price, by then only you will benefit from the waiting. But will that happen?
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 5 2014, 04:23 PM)
Only if bnm economists are smarter and better than fed.
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eh...i though world bank or IMF has just praised our lovely Zeti do a wonderful job?
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post May 5 2014, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(Rabel @ May 5 2014, 04:24 PM)
When do think bubble will burst ??
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already burst when najib announce new cooling measure last year. transactions in Q1 drop mah...next year gst come will burst again...that's why bear bear wait to Q42015 then only buy.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ May 5 2014, 04:46 PM)
I m not hoping for the said  kind of drop tigerr meant..

drop from asking / transacted price is the better way of gauging the price..

so few% drop has started in few units in green terraine only? I m hoping such correction will occur ..

this could be a start..better than calling less profit right? That aimint dude looks lost when he blurted his petty 700k example..

tigerr on the other hand believe DDD wants to drop below purchase price.. too much too ask thou..
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the drop in a way also mean lesser profit. not right meh? eg, last year 1 prop can make 200K, this year maybe 150K. You wan to say this is bad?
few % drop in green terrain still higher than developer price few years ago right? so what is the big deal for those who buy from developer? If your lawyer friend do not wait few years ago and buy from developer, now he (or she? your gf?) no need to come out with more money to buy at few % drop price right?

Your lawyer friend buy so many unit to flip ah? he ki siao ah?


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post May 5 2014, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ May 5 2014, 05:08 PM)
i personally think by those time, effect of GST would have blend in..
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assuming no other factor, gst will cause housing price to increase. why you wait till it increase then only buy? or you think gst will cause the price decrease???
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thunder storm at KLCC area. Lucky i take LRT. never worry of jam. who say future mrt no use?
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post May 5 2014, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ May 5 2014, 05:26 PM)
well , correct lor.. lesser profit... but longer the owners hold, profit getting lesser and lesser with no tenant... it will break even eventually or minimal profit with risk of not able to sell off..

prop getting old, as i recommended GT vs Emerald residence example.. there is a limit to the price to GT.. after certain increase it turtle just to cover loan.. too high of tutling up will make you far and farer away from bank valuation, thus losing it attractiveness and old features and competative market surrounding with 1400 at least number of units coming excluding GT..
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people hold on and dont wan to sell now sure they know how to calculate. what if price shoot up again in the next few months? you guarantee it will drop further ah? even if it drop till breakeven point also not at rugi position what. why worry?

wei, why your friend buy more unit since you say it is so bad. I personally don't know about this condo.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ May 5 2014, 05:51 PM)
For him current unit he move in di..  another 1 units purpose dunno.. if for investment.. good luck to him.. sufficient lectures already given..
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You own friend also don listen to you ah.... you really need to fan xing fan xing
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ May 5 2014, 09:40 PM)
so is the market now relying on these demand?
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The market is relying on various level of people to buy variuos class of property.
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QUOTE(Minolta @ May 13 2014, 08:42 PM)
This thread Sien edi.
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After ah b00n cooling measures. It really cool now.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ May 13 2014, 09:51 PM)
have you seen amaya kah? he is like missing together with his service apartments...
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Not see him too. Kena buang negeri? Haha...

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