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 4 Critical Signs of a Bubble Market V6, Signs are already there in Malaysia

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TSicemanfx
post May 3 2014, 04:24 PM, updated 12y ago

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This is a continuation from V5:
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3182390

The collapse of the US housing market bubble emphasizes how important it is to figure out what property is really worth, from a fundamental perspective. Make sure you’re not over-paying!

There are 4 yardsticks of bubble markets:

•Price to Rent Ratio (or Yield)
•Relative Prices
•Affordability
•Price of new builds


VALUATION TOOL 1: THE PRICE TO RENT RATIO

The gross rental yield) is the housing parallel to the price/earnings ratio. Here is a set of rules of thumb for the housing market:

VALUATION YARDSTICKS FOR THE HOUSING MARKET

PRICE/RENT RATIO GROSS RENTAL YIELD (%)

5 20 Very undervalued
6.7 15 Very undervalued
8.3 12 Undervalued
10 10 Undervalued
12.5 8 Borderline undervalued
14.2 7 Fairly priced
16.7 6 Fairly priced
20 5 Borderline overvalued
25 4 Overvalued
33.3 3 Overvalued
40 2.5 Very overvalued
50 2 Very overvalued

But there are exceptions to this. When strong future growth in value is expected e.g in areas where transport infrastructure is being upgraded then relatively weak present earnings can be acceptable.

There are several good reasons why people should pay attention to the 'valuation parameters':

Higher rental yields push the housing market higher

If rental yield levels are high, this will tend to mean that the interest cost of buying a house is low, compared to the cost of renting a house:

•Potential buyers will pay less to borrow from the bank (in order to buy) than they pay when renting a house. Many will move from being renters to buyers.
•Entrepreneurs will find it makes sense to buy houses to make money, i.e., buy in order to rent them out.

Both these factors put upward pressure on house prices.

Lower rental yields put downward pressure house prices

If rental yield levels are low, this will tend to mean that the interest cost of buying a house is high, compared to the cost of renting a house:

•Potential buyers will find that to buy a house involves paying much more to the bank, than it costs to rent a house. Buyers, especially first-time buyers, may have difficulty financing housing. Banks will be worried about over-lending at loan-to-income ratios which mean that a slight increase in interest rates will mean financial crisis for the borrower.
•Entrepreneurs will find that buying-to-let won't pay.

The house price can be viewed as a kind of circle, with houses prices moving from yields of (say) 4% to 11%

•Yields shifting down to 4% would represent danger.
•Yields rising to 11% would signal opportunity.


VALUATION TOOL 2: RELATIVE PRICES

People tend to actively look for cheaper and better alternatives. Where houses are very highly priced, people will seek more affordable alternatives. So if you’re buying property that’s amazingly expensive on a sqaure foot basis compared to its surrounding developments – BEWARE!


VALUATION TOOL 3: AFFORDABILITY

If house prices are so high that few people can actually afford to buy them, then their value will likely fall in future. A reasonable measure of value is a country’s GDP per capita. In a country where the ratio of house prices to GDP/capita is high, it’s a fair bet that houses are overvalued.

Relative to GDP/Capita levels:
•House prices in Luxembourg, Belgium, Norway, Denmark and Austria seem cheap.
•House prices in the UK, Italy, France and the Netherlands seem comparatively expensive.


VALUATION TOOL 4: PRICE OF NEW BUILDS

If house prices are much higher than the cost of building (construction costs), developers are motivated to put up buildings. So when you see a rush by developers to build, that’s a danger sign. As new supply comes into the housing market, that tends to put pressure on prices. So when house prices are far greater than new-build costs, it's a very clear signal that prices are likely to come down.

This post has been edited by icemanfx: May 3 2014, 04:25 PM
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New successor... lets countdown for prop correction
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post May 3 2014, 06:25 PM

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Price won't drop la

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post May 3 2014, 06:26 PM

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Another topic discuss till v12 or maybe v30 if mod don't close it
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post May 3 2014, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(zuiko407 @ May 3 2014, 06:26 PM)
Another topic discuss till v12 or maybe v30 if mod don't close it
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I only said till v10 maybe oso no bubble burst. U lagi best.


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post May 3 2014, 06:34 PM

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Today news on sinchew. House hold saving is dropping fast, while house hold debt continue to go up fast. Another round of measures are suggested to remedy this situations.
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post May 3 2014, 06:41 PM

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Just for sharing. What's the point getting a luxury home when u get such problem and treatment from the Malaysia authority shakehead.gif

http://realtymalaysia.blogspot.com/2014/04...seless.html?m=1
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According to OSC (online portal), i can count more than 80 new highrise project submission around inner klang valley coming on-stream.

Mai siao siao lah...
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post May 3 2014, 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ May 3 2014, 06:34 PM)
Today news on sinchew. House hold saving is dropping fast, while house hold debt continue to go up fast. Another round of measures are suggested to remedy this situations.
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so whats the latest household debt. the last figure is at 86% ...
or the article is based on this figure?
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QUOTE(accetera @ May 3 2014, 06:48 PM)
According to OSC (online portal), i can count more than 80 new highrise project submission around inner klang valley coming on-stream.

Mai siao siao lah...
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When a manufacturing company starts to construct houses, it is a clear bubble sign
Now everywhere we see "Ah Too" "Ah Cow" and "Ah Ngiau" become developer, it is dangerous
One of my college mate whom in FMCG marketing line becomes property guru, I almost fainted doh.gif

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QUOTE(UFO-ET @ May 3 2014, 06:55 PM)
When a manufacturing company starts to construct houses, it is a clear bubble sign
Now everywhere we see "Ah Too" "Ah Cow" and "Ah Ngiau" become developer, it is dangerous
One of my college mate whom in FMCG marketing line becomes property guru, I almost fainted doh.gif
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Some say I also become property guru liao.

Anyway besides chui sui, my employer will continue to roll out Homes that are Affordable. We have 2 coming soon.
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QUOTE(accetera @ May 3 2014, 07:06 PM)
Some say I also become property guru liao.

Anyway besides chui sui, my employer will continue to roll out Homes that are Affordable. We have 2 coming soon.
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Chief, I think you are much more knowledgeable than my fren, kudos to you for sharing so much informations, very useful indeed icon_rolleyes.gif
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Hmm i was thinking today. Malaysia is only 57 years old. Technically we've only had like what, 2-3 generations of urban house buyers? Ie those buying from developers in towns and through financing. We are relatively 'young' and already household debt is threatening to choke the current generation. How much further can the market go i wonder?
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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ May 3 2014, 06:54 PM)
so whats the latest household debt. the last figure is at 86% ...
or the article is based on this figure?
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Yeah, the 86% is the old news. But the household saving is the first time I read. It actually shows decreasing holding power.
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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ May 3 2014, 07:54 PM)
so whats the latest household debt. the last figure is at 86% ...
or the article is based on this figure?
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Brother if add those shadow banking the rate could be as high as 120%

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post May 3 2014, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(tikaram @ May 3 2014, 07:50 PM)
Brother if add those shadow banking the rate could be as high as 120%

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Do we have shadow banking here ? ohmy.gif ohmy.gif ohmy.gif shocking.gif shocking.gif shocking.gif shocking.gif

Sorry, do you mean ah long ?
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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ May 3 2014, 09:10 PM)
Do we have shadow banking here ?  ohmy.gif  ohmy.gif  ohmy.gif  shocking.gif  shocking.gif  shocking.gif  shocking.gif

Sorry, do you mean ah long ?
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QUOTE(tikaram @ May 3 2014, 08:31 PM)
Thanks for sharing!
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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ May 3 2014, 06:54 PM)
so whats the latest household debt. the last figure is at 86% ...
or the article is based on this figure?
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What actually is this household debt of 86% ? Does it mean total debt (housing loan, car, credit card, personal loan, etc) divide by gross annual household income ?
If yes, then I see no issue if the percentage rise to 100% or even 200%. Say a household with RM120,000 gross annual income (RM10K per mth)...will have close to 0% if they do not have house or car loan, but the moment the buy a RM400,000 house and took up a housing loan of say RM360,000, the percentage will shot up to 300%. But this is no issue as they can easily pay the mthly housing loan instalment with thier RM10,000 income.

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QUOTE(topearn @ May 3 2014, 09:29 PM)
What actually is this household debt of 86% ? Does it mean total debt (housing loan, car, credit card, personal loan, etc) divide by gross annual household income ?
If yes, then I see no issue if the percentage rise to 100% or even 200%. Say a household with RM120,000 gross annual income (RM10K per mth)...will have close to 0% if they do not have house or car loan, but the moment the buy a RM400,000 house and took up a housing loan of say RM360,000, the percentage will shot up to 300%. But this is no issue as they can easily pay the mthly housing loan instalment with thier RM10,000 income.
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