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TSBoon3
post Oct 28 2014, 06:06 AM

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QUOTE(spring onion @ Oct 28 2014, 01:03 AM)
bro, every stocks will reach a growth limit where growth will not be that great anymore, is not saying that i'm not believing the statistics, but rather to put a safe margin into account.

ok ok talk about other stock ok? fitters this joker after got it's bonus unit issue the price did plunge down alot. now will sbccorp follows it's path? interested to see sbccorp movement before and after releasing their bonus share

in your opinion, should we buy a share before or after bonus/split?
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1) Yes, it's ok to use a lower estimate but all I am showing is the current stats and yes, not all growth will last forever. However with the company due to report it's last quarter profits for the year and current 3 quarters profit already more than 76 percent, for it to achieve just 30 percent growth for the year, for this to happen, you are implying a very serious decline in Q4 profit numbers. Whwn this happen (and I don't think you would want it to happen, the stock should see a huge decline in stock price!

2) If you are interested you should also look at Censot. Case same. Stock fell after the so called free warrants.

3) I don't know. Bonus do not add value to a stock but it can create some positive vibes on it.


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post Oct 28 2014, 06:33 AM

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QUOTE(wenqing @ Oct 27 2014, 09:03 PM)
They also no other stock to talk liao.hahaha biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
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Good? Coverage!

Bad? Situuuuuupiiiiiit writeup is suggesting privatisation. Your dream will koyak lor. laugh.gif



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post Oct 28 2014, 08:36 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Oct 28 2014, 06:33 AM)
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Good? Coverage!

Bad? Situuuuuupiiiiiit writeup is suggesting privatisation. Your dream will koyak lor. laugh.gif
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Aiya. Wan privatize early already privatize liao lor. I remember when I first buy almost 50%+ is hard cash.That time privatize lagi untung mah.
And if they got plan to privatize, they wont keep selling out or transfer their share.
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QUOTE(wenqing @ Oct 28 2014, 08:36 AM)
Aiya. Wan privatize early already privatize liao lor. I remember when I first buy almost 50%+ is hard cash.That time privatize lagi untung mah.
And if they got plan to privatize, they wont keep selling out or transfer their share.
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LOL!

Unlike me, you is investor. laugh.gif
Me trader.
You should not want privatization.
Why?
Cos you will never get to see your dreams... whistling.gif
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post Oct 28 2014, 11:35 AM

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ho ho
homer is on red
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post Oct 29 2014, 12:05 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Oct 28 2014, 06:06 AM)
1) Yes, it's ok to use a lower estimate but all I am showing is the current stats and yes, not all growth will last forever. However with the company due to report it's last quarter profits for the year and current 3 quarters  profit already more than 76 percent, for it to achieve just 30 percent growth for the year, for this to happen, you are implying a very serious decline in Q4 profit numbers. Whwn this happen (and I don't think you would want it to happen, the stock should see a huge decline in stock price!

2) If you are interested you should also look at Censot. Case same. Stock fell after the so called free warrants.

3) I don't know. Bonus do not add value to a stock but it can create some positive vibes on it.
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hi boon, 1st of all, the profit for 2013-08-31 accountable for more than 40% profit for year 2013 and 30% for profit of TTM

which this quarter profit might be slightly lower if revenue stays or flat if revenue increase due to forex. a forecast of slightly lower margin will affect the TTM profits, making it lower then before. so your 76% also cannot follow blindly lah laugh.gif

my opinion only, feel free to shoot

about bonus issue, dilution of share is understandable, but how come people still chase after bonus issue announcement?
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post Oct 29 2014, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(spring onion @ Oct 29 2014, 12:05 AM)
my opinion only, feel free to shoot

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You ultra sensitive one ah? tongue.gif
This is a stock forum la.
A forum is a place for everyone to share opinions, ISN'T IT?
and YES, hopefully the forum in particular, is one where there is DIFFERENT opinions being voiced out.
this equates to a healthy forum.
An unhealthy forum?
One speak and everyone blindly follows.
You want that?
If this thread becomes that, I will quit the thread.
It means the thread becomes redundant.
It becomes a bunch of cheerleaders!
LOL!
Pointless.

So shoot? LOL!


QUOTE(spring onion @ Oct 29 2014, 12:05 AM)
1st of all, the profit for 2013-08-31 accountable for more than 40% profit for year 2013 and 30% for profit of TTM
Yes.

QUOTE(spring onion @ Oct 29 2014, 12:05 AM)
which this quarter profit might be slightly lower if revenue stays or flat if revenue increase due to forex. a forecast of slightly lower margin will affect the TTM profits, making it lower then before. so your 76% also cannot follow blindly lah laugh.gif
My statements:
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However with the company due to report it's last quarter profits for the year and current 3 quarters profit already more than 76 percent, for it to achieve just 30 percent growth for the year, for this to happen, you are implying a very serious decline in Q4 profit numbers.


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And then you can double check.

Last reported profit is for fy 2014. (FY stands for Fiscal year)
Now the nine month total profit is at 17.614 million.
When compared to the previous year's total (previous year total is 9.954 million), the nine month profit showed a GROWTH OF 76.95%.


Did you see where I have made the 76% into a forecast of mine?
I am merely stating the facts dude.
Did you seriously check the last reported profit?
The profit stated clearly... this fiscal year nine month profit stands at 17 million. Previous year was 9.9 million.
The calculator will show that the profits increased 76%.

THIS IS MERELY STATING THE FACTS.
NOT A PREDICTION.

DID I STATE ANYTHING THAT ONE SHOULD USE AND TURN THIS 76% INTO A STONE CAST RULING?

I CERTAINLY HOPE NO ONE IS THAT BLIND.

laugh.gif laugh.gif

*whistle*

understand mah?

look, in financial markets, remember, comparisons is made between the current reported quarter and compared against the same quarter the previous year.
This is how they do it.

And it's in my opinion, I feel you do not understand the 'seasonal earnings'.

Some companies... they will see increase in sales .... the same months every year.

For example....
a beer company...
the company will most likely see increase in sales during festive periods.
and immediately after the festive periods, the following months will show a slowdown.
This is the seasonal impact.

Same with companies exporting.
Some countries will see better sales during winter.
So the few months before winter, those countries, will BUY more... to stock up... to be ready for their festive year end sales.

Same with Homer.
Every year, the 4th quarter, this is their boom time.

Do check the 4th quarter earnings each year.
Their earnings will be better than the previous years (and also better than the previous quarter - the seasonal factor!)

See how the earnings boost up.

2012 Q4 was 5.689 million vs 2011 Q4 3.914 million
2013 Q4 was 6.950 million vs 2012 Q4 5.689 million.

2014 Q4?

Now I am just highlighting it as it is.

I dare not predict anything.

Too many Homeraddicts in this forum thread liao! LOL! LOL! LOL!

And look.... the facts, as it is, shows...

fy 2011 -- 10.811 million profit
fy 2012 -- 14.700 million profit
fy 2013 -- 15.118 milion profit
ttm -- 22.005 million profit

Your original statement (which is the CRUX of the issue) states: "at stagnant growth rm1, if a growth of 30%"

remember, the 3 quarters of 2014 already shows that Homer made 17 million.

So for Homer to record a stagnant growth...
if my under the standing of your england is ngam,
you are suggesting fy 2014 earnings to be 15 million also. (no growth ma... so 2014 earnings equals 2013 earnings)
the problem with this scenario is ytd 3 quarters, Homer already made 17 million.
So for total fy 2014 profit to be 15 million, you are suggesting Homer to rugi 2 million for Q4.
errr..... can ah?
*whistle*

same with 30% growth.
for fy 2014 to record a 30% growth, you are suggesting total fy 2014 profits to total 15*1.3 (30% growth) = 19.5 million.
which means, you are saying fy 2014 q4 profits to total only 2.5 million (19.5-17)
Which means, if I use the earlier table...

2012 Q4 was 5.689 million vs 2011 Q4 3.914 million
2013 Q4 was 6.950 million vs 2012 Q4 5.689 million.
** you are saying **
2014 Q4 to be 2.5 million vs 2013 Q4 6.950 million.

err..... that would be a drastic drop, yes?

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about bonus issue, dilution of share is understandable, but how come people still chase after bonus issue announcement?


LOL!

People chase after stocks all the time.
Most of the time... I have no idea why also.
Do you?

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This post has been edited by Boon3: Oct 29 2014, 08:49 AM
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post Oct 29 2014, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Oct 29 2014, 08:47 AM)
laugh.gif

You ultra sensitive one ah? tongue.gif
This is a stock forum la.
A forum is a place for everyone to share opinions, ISN'T IT?
and YES, hopefully the forum in particular, is one where there is DIFFERENT opinions being voiced out.
this equates to a healthy forum.
An unhealthy forum?
One speak and everyone blindly follows.
You want that?
If this thread becomes that, I will quit the thread.
It means the thread becomes redundant.
It becomes a bunch of cheerleaders!
LOL!
Pointless.

So shoot? LOL!
Yes.
My statements:
Did you see where I have made the 76% into a forecast of mine?
I am merely stating the facts dude.
Did you seriously check the last reported profit?
The profit stated clearly... this fiscal year nine month profit stands at 17 million. Previous year was 9.9 million.
The calculator will show that the profits increased 76%.

THIS IS MERELY STATING THE FACTS.
NOT A PREDICTION.

DID I STATE ANYTHING THAT ONE SHOULD USE AND TURN THIS 76% INTO A STONE CAST RULING?

I CERTAINLY HOPE NO ONE IS THAT BLIND.

laugh.gif  laugh.gif

*whistle*

understand mah?

look, in financial markets, remember, comparisons is made between the current reported quarter and compared against the same quarter the previous year.
This is how they do it.

And it's in my opinion, I feel you do not understand the 'seasonal earnings'.

Some companies... they will see increase in sales .... the same months every year.

For example....
a beer company...
the company will most likely see increase in sales during festive periods.
and immediately after the festive periods, the following months will show a slowdown.
This is the seasonal impact.

Same with companies exporting.
Some countries will see better sales during winter.
So the few months before winter, those countries, will BUY more... to stock up... to be ready for their festive year end sales.

Same with Homer.
Every year, the 4th quarter, this is their boom time.

Do check the 4th quarter earnings each year.
Their earnings will be better than the previous years (and also better than the previous quarter - the seasonal factor!)

See how the earnings boost up.

2012 Q4 was 5.689 million vs 2011 Q4 3.914 million
2013 Q4 was 6.950 million vs 2012 Q4 5.689 million.

2014 Q4?

Now I am just highlighting it as it is.

I dare not predict anything.

Too many Homeraddicts in this forum thread liao! LOL! LOL! LOL!

And look.... the facts, as it is, shows...

fy 2011 -- 10.811 million profit
fy 2012 -- 14.700 million profit
fy 2013 -- 15.118 milion profit
ttm -- 22.005 million profit

Your original statement (which is the CRUX of the issue) states: "at stagnant growth rm1, if a growth of 30%"

remember, the 3 quarters of 2014 already shows that Homer made 17 million.

So for Homer to record a stagnant growth...
if my under the standing of your england is ngam,
you are suggesting fy 2014 earnings to be 15 million also. (no growth ma... so 2014 earnings equals 2013 earnings)
the problem with this scenario is ytd 3 quarters, Homer already made 17 million.
So for total fy 2014 profit to be 15 million, you are suggesting Homer to rugi 2 million for Q4.
errr..... can ah?
*whistle*

same with 30% growth.
for fy 2014 to record a 30% growth, you are suggesting total fy 2014 profits to total 15*1.3 (30% growth) = 19.5 million.
which means, you are saying fy 2014 q4 profits to total only 2.5 million (19.5-17)
Which means, if I use the earlier table...

2012 Q4 was 5.689 million vs 2011 Q4 3.914 million
2013 Q4 was 6.950 million vs 2012 Q4 5.689 million.
** you are saying **
2014 Q4 to be 2.5 million vs 2013 Q4 6.950 million.

err..... that would be a drastic drop, yes?

wink.gif
LOL!

People chase after stocks all the time.
Most of the time... I have no idea why also.
Do you?

tongue.gif
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after reading, i realise boon3 is waiting to reap its fruit from homer after quarterly report out

lets do it together, trader! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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post Oct 29 2014, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(SpeechLess11 @ Oct 29 2014, 09:35 AM)
after reading, i realise boon3 is waiting to reap its fruit from homer after quarterly report out

lets do it together, trader!  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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And how would you know I own stocks in this one?

how sure are you?

LOL!

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post Oct 29 2014, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Oct 29 2014, 09:48 AM)
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And how would you know I own stocks in this one?

how sure are you?

LOL!

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becoz u look like confident in this stock just like me cheers.gif
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post Oct 29 2014, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(SpeechLess11 @ Oct 29 2014, 10:18 AM)
becoz u look like confident in this stock just like me  cheers.gif
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There are many other fishes in the ocean. biggrin.gif


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post Oct 29 2014, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Oct 29 2014, 08:47 AM)
laugh.gif

You ultra sensitive one ah? tongue.gif
This is a stock forum la.
A forum is a place for everyone to share opinions, ISN'T IT?
and YES, hopefully the forum in particular, is one where there is DIFFERENT opinions being voiced out.
this equates to a healthy forum.
An unhealthy forum?
One speak and everyone blindly follows.
You want that?
If this thread becomes that, I will quit the thread.
It means the thread becomes redundant.
It becomes a bunch of cheerleaders!
LOL!
Pointless.

So shoot? LOL!
Yes.
My statements:
Did you see where I have made the 76% into a forecast of mine?
I am merely stating the facts dude.
Did you seriously check the last reported profit?
The profit stated clearly... this fiscal year nine month profit stands at 17 million. Previous year was 9.9 million.
The calculator will show that the profits increased 76%.

THIS IS MERELY STATING THE FACTS.
NOT A PREDICTION.

DID I STATE ANYTHING THAT ONE SHOULD USE AND TURN THIS 76% INTO A STONE CAST RULING?

I CERTAINLY HOPE NO ONE IS THAT BLIND.

laugh.gif  laugh.gif

*whistle*

understand mah?

look, in financial markets, remember, comparisons is made between the current reported quarter and compared against the same quarter the previous year.
This is how they do it.

And it's in my opinion, I feel you do not understand the 'seasonal earnings'.

Some companies... they will see increase in sales .... the same months every year.

For example....
a beer company...
the company will most likely see increase in sales during festive periods.
and immediately after the festive periods, the following months will show a slowdown.
This is the seasonal impact.

Same with companies exporting.
Some countries will see better sales during winter.
So the few months before winter, those countries, will BUY more... to stock up... to be ready for their festive year end sales.

Same with Homer.
Every year, the 4th quarter, this is their boom time.

Do check the 4th quarter earnings each year.
Their earnings will be better than the previous years (and also better than the previous quarter - the seasonal factor!)

See how the earnings boost up.

2012 Q4 was 5.689 million vs 2011 Q4 3.914 million
2013 Q4 was 6.950 million vs 2012 Q4 5.689 million.

2014 Q4?

Now I am just highlighting it as it is.

I dare not predict anything.

Too many Homeraddicts in this forum thread liao! LOL! LOL! LOL!

And look.... the facts, as it is, shows...

fy 2011 -- 10.811 million profit
fy 2012 -- 14.700 million profit
fy 2013 -- 15.118 milion profit
ttm -- 22.005 million profit

Your original statement (which is the CRUX of the issue) states: "at stagnant growth rm1, if a growth of 30%"

remember, the 3 quarters of 2014 already shows that Homer made 17 million.

So for Homer to record a stagnant growth...
if my under the standing of your england is ngam,
you are suggesting fy 2014 earnings to be 15 million also. (no growth ma... so 2014 earnings equals 2013 earnings)
the problem with this scenario is ytd 3 quarters, Homer already made 17 million.
So for total fy 2014 profit to be 15 million, you are suggesting Homer to rugi 2 million for Q4.
errr..... can ah?
*whistle*

same with 30% growth.
for fy 2014 to record a 30% growth, you are suggesting total fy 2014 profits to total 15*1.3 (30% growth) = 19.5 million.
which means, you are saying fy 2014 q4 profits to total only 2.5 million (19.5-17)
Which means, if I use the earlier table...

2012 Q4 was 5.689 million vs 2011 Q4 3.914 million
2013 Q4 was 6.950 million vs 2012 Q4 5.689 million.
** you are saying **
2014 Q4 to be 2.5 million vs 2013 Q4 6.950 million.

err..... that would be a drastic drop, yes?

wink.gif
LOL!

People chase after stocks all the time.
Most of the time... I have no idea why also.
Do you?

tongue.gif
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Thanks for the detailed explanation again.. thumbup.gif
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post Oct 29 2014, 10:39 AM

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Ah Boon gor,

do you trade futures?

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post Oct 29 2014, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(johnnyzai89 @ Oct 29 2014, 10:39 AM)
Ah Boon gor,

do you trade futures?
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Nope.

..... and this is because .... over time I discovered I am not good at trading constantly..... I tend to make more mistakes. sweat.gif sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Oct 29 2014, 11:41 AM)
Nope.

..... and this is because .... over time I discovered I am not good at trading constantly..... I tend to make more mistakes.  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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Oppss, then I think i will make alot of mistakes too.

Am going to try paper trading futures first, because it's alot harder to trade I feel and it might go South easilyyy
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Boon gor,

do you have any counter that is within your radar? Mind share? I seems like cant find any counter to study.
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post Oct 29 2014, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(johnnyzai89 @ Oct 29 2014, 10:43 AM)
Oppss, then I think i will make alot of mistakes too.

Am going to try paper trading futures first, because it's alot harder to trade I feel and it might go South easilyyy
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I paper traded many years....................... tongue.gif

If you ask me..... do the same la...

practice, practice and practice......


know what you are NO GOOD at....
and know what you are good at........


NEVER EVER say it's ok to pay tuition fees.....

It's never ok.

Some tuition fees can become so huge that it NOT only takes you out of the game permanently....
but it can also put you into a financial ruins for many, many years.


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post Oct 29 2014, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(MoneyMaker prince @ Oct 29 2014, 10:45 AM)
Boon gor,

do you have any counter that is within your radar? Mind share? I seems like cant find any counter to study.
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Sorry hor....
this kind of sharing... I dunno how to share.


ok...
got one suggestion...
take your trading platform...
ie which broker you trade with....

look at their current research report....

well.... which stock is being recommended?

well.... you can study it.... and post here.... why you agree or disagree.... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Oct 29 2014, 11:54 AM)
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Sorry hor....
this kind of sharing... I dunno how to share.
ok...
got one suggestion...
take your trading platform...
ie which broker you trade with....

look at their current research report....

well.... which stock is being recommended?

well.... you can study it.... and post here.... why you agree or disagree.... biggrin.gif
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What's with the HYPE for YGL?

Will the GST implementation really contribute that much of an earnings?
Seems to be very much goreng-ed?

hmm.gif hmm.gif
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post Oct 30 2014, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(johnnyzai89 @ Oct 30 2014, 10:53 AM)
What's with the HYPE for YGL?

Will the GST implementation really contribute that much of an earnings?
Seems to be very much goreng-ed?

hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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GST all is goreng la...

You can do the maths....really. tongue.gif

How many companies gonna need software 'upgrade'?
How much?

How many software companies?

How much can one of these software company really benefit? whistling.gif


Having said that...
if you are a trader...
you will flush all the above into the jamban hole.... laugh.gif

All you need to know is .... prior to the correction...
which are the group of stocks being led by current market speculation?
which is the leader stock?

Compare now....
LOL!

Isn't it so predictable?

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