It's other related companies meaning is see who is the 'owner'....
in this case PMCorp and PMHoldings.

Just an exercise la...
and again I am not the least interested....

You need to learn TA.............................. heeeeehehe

Cannot always narrow mind one.
Cannot always think 'time the market'.

I, myself , don't time the market.

Explore yourself...
Enrich yourself....
Improve......

They say...
to improve is to change
to be perfect to keep on changing

so embrace yourself with TA.

I got buy book and read. But after try a for some time with a net loss, then give up liao. maybe need sifu like u to guide me  

Paper trade laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ...................................

Do not trade with real money until you are 107 % sure you are ready.

paper trade mana ada kick? paper trade maybe u can trade rationally coz no fear and greed. Care to train me become ur successor?  

I got buy book and read. But after try a for some time with a net loss, then give up liao. maybe need sifu like u to guide me  

Boon with his poison again eh. Need..... to find...... antidote....

shit!

then you come forum for what la?



obvious answer is to be poison maaaa................................... heeeehehe

I always open my mind to accept new knowledge as I still young and inexperience.   

Errr....

Firstly do refer my above comments.

I am a trader and I get paid when I observe...........

Hence, I could just post stocks WITHOUT any prejudice and it's up to you all to decide YOURSELF if what I am saying make sense or it's utter KETAM! 
But jokes aside, never ever trust anyone in any stock forums.
Trust own self.
Make your own research + reasoning.
I see forums where one so-called head speak, and the rest follow blindly...
I do not wish to see this here....
simply cos... I am human and I could be always be WRONG!

Yes, using TTM, Elsoft PE is high at 26.7
Not much justification.

Regarding Elsoft, I am aware what I wrote here post #1272

That was before it's latest earnings.



hehe86 also note...
Compared to my last notes.
That time I was looking at a TTM eps of 5.39.
Now the TTM has jumped incredibly to 6.33.
There is growth.
as can be seen in the above table.

Isn't it the similar to IQGroup's earnings?



See how the most recent earnings TOWERS above the other 3 most recent earnings.

Well, common sense thinking here (err...this is not 100% foolproof and yes, sometimes.... it might fail one..... )

IF (big IF hor - and this is what is betting one on ) assuming this turnaround is real...
then it's not logical that to expect the next couple of earnings to repeat its earlier poor earnings.
complicated?

Take Elsoft (easier to see)

2014 Q2 eps 3.84
2014 Q1 eps 0.68
2013 Q4 eps 1.01
2013 Q3 eps 0.80

the next quarter is 2014 Q3.
it should compare against 2013 Q3, in which Elsoft only had an eps of 0.80 sen.

Using the assumption that we see a real turnaround, Elsoft 'should' possibly record an eps of maybe at least 3.84 sen.
If you replace that 0.80 sen with say 3.8 sen...
we could see a new TTM eps table like this below...

2014 Q3 eps 3.80 <<-->> estimated eps
2014 Q2 eps 3.84
2014 Q1 eps 0.68
2013 Q4 eps 1.01

now if count the TTM, it then becomes 9.33 sen!!!! (the working = 3.8 + 3.84 + 0.68 + 1.01)
see how the TTM jumps?
and if we repeat it 2 more times...
Elsoft PE doesn't appear too expensive, yes?

Same thing...
run it with IQ numbers...
you will see a difference...

which is why ...
for me la.....
Elsoft annualised eps (assuming turnaround is real) = 15.36 sen!!
IQGroup annualised eps (assuming turnaround is real) = 35 sen!!
p/s: Warning: This is just example and not ask you die die buy these 2 stocks!

US very red. tomorrow KLCI also red.

Ah Boon... the revenue for elsoft and iqgroup is inconsistent.. how can one predict the revenue for upcoming quarters if the revenues are inconsistent? 

Elsoft had a contract worth 25 mil which will start to contribute in the earnings from next quarter results.. the latest quarter results is not including the revenue from this contract.. am i right? question is the contract will spread over how many years? how can one find this info? if we have this info and info of contracts expiring, then we can estimate the revenue for coming quarters?

IQGroup annualised eps of 35sen looks good. But can it really achieve that given that the previous quarter it reported a loss? 

Pls enlighten 

Ah Boon... the revenue for elsoft and iqgroup is inconsistent.. how can one predict the revenue for upcoming quarters if the revenues are inconsistent? 

Elsoft had a contract worth 25 mil which will start to contribute in the earnings from next quarter results.. the latest quarter results is not including the revenue from this contract.. am i right? question is the contract will spread over how many years? how can one find this info? if we have this info and info of contracts expiring, then we can estimate the revenue for coming quarters?

IQGroup annualised eps of 35sen looks good. But can it really achieve that given that the previous quarter it reported a loss? 

Pls enlighten 

Having said all that...

in the first place...

these companies rescinding their deals...
these aren't really investment grade companies at all in the first place......

And Robert Tan is probably gonna get lots of red marks since he has two companies (PDZ and GBH) involved......

good, give you chance to top up more

And you sort of wonder why people are so surprised anyway.

This is Malaysia we are talking about. Turnaround is easier said than done. Why the rich are interested to rescue a money losing company?

too bad no extra money to top up more. haha

Do not simply top up when you see a stock decline.



In some cases...
It could be our fault...
ie we bought the wrong stock at the WRONG price.

Topping up in such incidents won't help.