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post Jun 13 2014, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jun 13 2014, 01:32 PM)
ooo.. my bad. I read the thread too quickly, been a while since I log in to LYN... tongue.gif
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Sibuk dengan apa? Entertaining auditor kat pub? brows.gif
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post Jun 13 2014, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 13 2014, 02:37 PM)
Sibuk dengan apa? Entertaining auditor kat pub? brows.gif
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sibuk kerja and masalah keluarga la.. masalah always comes and goes

Seldom pi pub.. you still go often? Maybe can join you when stress out.. haha
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jun 13 2014, 01:40 PM)
sibuk kerja and masalah keluarga la.. masalah always comes and goes

Seldom pi pub.. you still go often? Maybe can join you when stress out.. haha
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At least 3 nights a week blush.gif
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post Jun 13 2014, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 13 2014, 02:43 PM)
At least 3 nights a week blush.gif
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so rich ar u... hahah
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post Jun 13 2014, 05:18 PM

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just a note....if the NAV of your Hwang fund dropped a lot today...dun be afraid...it may just be distribution.

sweat.gif Why it’s Okay to Invest Even at a Market High
......between 1983 and 2013.

Amazingly, the investor who dollar-cost-averaged at annual market peaks only performed slightly poorer than another investor who simply invested at the end of each year; the first investor would have gotten annualised returns of 9.5% while the second investor had earned 9.9%.

http://www.fool.sg/2014/06/10/why-its-okay...-a-market-high/
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post Jun 13 2014, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jun 13 2014, 05:18 PM)
just a note....if the NAV of your Hwang fund dropped a lot today...dun be afraid...it may just be distribution.

sweat.gif Why it’s Okay to Invest Even at a Market High
......between 1983 and 2013.

Amazingly, the investor who dollar-cost-averaged at annual market peaks only performed slightly poorer than another investor who simply invested at the end of each year; the first investor would have gotten annualised returns of 9.5% while the second investor had earned 9.9%.

http://www.fool.sg/2014/06/10/why-its-okay...-a-market-high/
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So it mean we better go in after distribution or just add-on every month?

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post Jun 13 2014, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(cappuccino vs latte @ Jun 13 2014, 05:37 PM)
So it mean we better go in after distribution or just add-on every month?
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hmm.gif add in every month would be encouraged.
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post Jun 13 2014, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jun 13 2014, 05:50 PM)
hmm.gif add in every month would be encouraged.
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smile.gif That is what I did on PRS distribution.
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post Jun 13 2014, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jun 13 2014, 05:18 PM)
just a note....if the NAV of your Hwang fund dropped a lot today...dun be afraid...it may just be distribution.

sweat.gif Why it’s Okay to Invest Even at a Market High
......between 1983 and 2013.

Amazingly, the investor who dollar-cost-averaged at annual market peaks only performed slightly poorer than another investor who simply invested at the end of each year; the first investor would have gotten annualised returns of 9.5% while the second investor had earned 9.9%.

http://www.fool.sg/2014/06/10/why-its-okay...-a-market-high/
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Date Fund Name Gross Distribution
4-Jun-14 Hwang PRS Moderate Fund RM 0.015 per unit
4-Jun-14 Hwang PRS Growth Fund RM 0.02 per unit
4-Jun-14 Hwang Select Dividend Fund RM 0.03 per unit
4-Jun-14 Hwang SGD Income Fund - MYR RM 0.005 per unit
4-Jun-14 Hwang AUD Income Fund - MYR RM 0.005 per unit
4-Jun-14 Hwang Select Bond Fund RM 0.005 per unit
4-Jun-14 Hwang AIIMAN Select Income Fund RM 0.01 per unit
4-Jun-14 Hwang Asia Pacific (Ex Japan) REITS and Infrastructure Fund RM 0.015 per unit
4-Jun-14 Hwang Select Income Fund RM 0.005 per unit
4-Jun-14 Hwang AIIMAN Income Plus Fund RM 0.005 per unit
4-Jun-14 Hwang Select Balanced Fund RM 0.02 per unit
4-Jun-14 Hwang AIIMAN Growth Fund RM 0.05 per unit
4-Jun-14 Hwang Select Opportunity Fund RM 0.05 per unit

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jun 13 2014, 06:50 PM)
| Date | Fund Name | Gross Distribution  |
4-Jun-14 Hwang PRS Moderate Fund RM 0.015 per unit 
4-Jun-14 Hwang PRS Growth Fund RM 0.02 per unit 
4-Jun-14 Hwang Select Dividend Fund RM 0.03 per unit 
4-Jun-14 Hwang SGD Income Fund - MYR RM 0.005 per unit 
4-Jun-14 Hwang AUD Income Fund - MYR RM 0.005 per unit 
4-Jun-14 Hwang Select Bond Fund RM 0.005 per unit 
4-Jun-14 Hwang AIIMAN Select Income Fund RM 0.01 per unit 
4-Jun-14 Hwang Asia Pacific (Ex Japan) REITS and Infrastructure Fund RM 0.015 per unit 
4-Jun-14 Hwang Select Income Fund RM 0.005 per unit 
4-Jun-14 Hwang AIIMAN Income Plus Fund RM 0.005 per unit 
4-Jun-14 Hwang Select Balanced Fund RM 0.02 per unit 
4-Jun-14 Hwang AIIMAN Growth Fund RM 0.05 per unit 
4-Jun-14 Hwang Select Opportunity Fund RM 0.05 per unit 
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Hwang AIIMAN Prs Syariah Growth and Hwang Prs Conservative
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jun 13 2014, 07:01 PM)
missed 2 more?
Hwang AIIMAN Prs Syariah Growth and Hwang Prs Conservative

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Date Fund Name Gross Distribution 
4-Jun-14 Hwang PRS Moderate Fund RM 0.015 per unit 
4-Jun-14 Hwang PRS Growth Fund RM 0.02 per unit 
4-Jun-14 Hwang Select Dividend Fund RM 0.03 per unit 
4-Jun-14 Hwang SGD Income Fund - MYR RM 0.005 per unit 
4-Jun-14 Hwang AUD Income Fund - MYR RM 0.005 per unit 
4-Jun-14 Hwang Select Bond Fund RM 0.005 per unit 
4-Jun-14 Hwang AIIMAN Select Income Fund RM 0.01 per unit 
4-Jun-14 Hwang Asia Pacific (Ex Japan) REITS and Infrastructure Fund RM 0.015 per unit 
4-Jun-14 Hwang Select Income Fund RM 0.005 per unit 
4-Jun-14 Hwang AIIMAN Income Plus Fund RM 0.005 per unit 
4-Jun-14 Hwang Select Balanced Fund RM 0.02 per unit 
4-Jun-14 Hwang AIIMAN Growth Fund RM 0.05 per unit 
4-Jun-14 Hwang Select Opportunity Fund RM 0.05 per unit 
4-Jun-14 Hwang AIIMAN PRS Shariah Growth Fund RM 0.03 per unit 
4-Jun-14 Hwang PRS Conservative Fund RM 0.01 per unit 
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post Jun 13 2014, 09:21 PM

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Thanks sifus for all the info... although I am lost about all the interest compound, rollover, etc etc lol...

I will leave my holdings in KGF and CMF as is for the moment...

I will keep monitoring this thread on the sideline.. watching all the gurus discussing money... tongue.gif
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post Jun 13 2014, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(RO Player @ Jun 13 2014, 07:11 PM)
IMO, higher distribution is better..i.e. more units is given to the holder. No doubt, total amt profit/loss is the same, but once NAV is gaining, your profit is getting fatter & fatter..
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er.. U serious ar?
There is a difference if
Distribution, more units BUT lowered NAV, then NAV grow say 9%
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No distribution, same units, no lowered NAV then NAV grow same 9%
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post Jun 13 2014, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(RO Player @ Jun 13 2014, 07:11 PM)
IMO, higher distribution is better..i.e. more units is given to the holder. No doubt, total amt profit/loss is the same, but once NAV is gaining, your profit is getting fatter & fatter..
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Completely and totally incorrect.

If you have more units, your NAV decreases accordingly. No doubt NAV will grow in future, but your DECREASED NAV will grow less accordingly, in future. So that overall, you are no better and no worse off.

To say "NAV is gaining" while ignoring that fact the NAV has shrunked has nothing to do with "IMO" opinions. It's just plain wrong.

If giving distributions will make investors better off, they will do it everyday. Why not? Because it makes investors better off, doesn't it? So why not did it everyday?

Why not? Because it makes no difference. Or put it another way, there's no free lunch.

Or do I need to @summon Pink to explain to you further?

PS: ah, someone else beat me in replying.

But on an added note, this "more units the better" has been proposed by people who write financial blogs, and disturbingly, by agents I dealt with.

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jun 13 2014, 10:44 PM)

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I like this...real enlightenment.....Thanks
can this be "tagged" in post #1 for future continuously referenced when needed?
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post Jun 13 2014, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jun 13 2014, 11:07 PM)
I like this...real enlightenment.....Thanks
can this be "tagged" in post #1 for future continuously referenced when needed?
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If people bothered with actual figures, they would not jump to the wrong "IMO" that more units are better.

For some reason, they work on "IMO", not spreadsheet figures. hmm.gif
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post Jun 13 2014, 11:37 PM

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Never underestimate the lure of distribution to lay-person aka uncle and aunties.

To them, distribution = dividend. Manyak syiok wan.

Something for those UTC to talk about. "Hey auntie, auntie... see, your unit increase ady. Good rite?"

UT without Dividend ahem... I mean distribution is boring lar... like those stupid Insurance Investment Link type, never give distribution wan... NAV hit RM 3.XX... crazy wan.

Psycho psycho... investor where got wanna buy leh?

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post Jun 14 2014, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(RO Player @ Jun 13 2014, 11:31 PM)
thanks for your enlightment, but why we invest in UT in the 1st place?, since u guys mention no difference at all!
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It's already been explained to you.

Nobody said UT made no difference. People said distributions made no difference.

Obviously, you can't tell the difference.

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QUOTE(RO Player @ Jun 13 2014, 11:31 PM)
thanks for your enlightment, but why we invest in UT in the 1st place?, since u guys mention no difference at all!

before or after distribution, remains the same. Correct but  PLease dont tell me, you know better than me or any street person.  doh.gif

to me, there will be increase of profit gain..after distribution,

for example,

[visible to us, investors]

NAV 1.05   10000 units   = RM 10,500

after distribution of 0.05 per unit = 500 units
NAV back to 1.00 with 10500 units = RM10,500

[*] NAV goes up (if market drops), NAV goes even higher (if market goes higher), that why some UT yield better than others.
[not visible to investors]

other investor may buy at cheaper NAV (after distribution), so more $$ for FMgr to leverage for more profit. More $$, more mgt fee for them. Incentive to perform.

NAV = still increase, although KLCI or other market drops [*]

Thinking back, wasting time to inform those 'expert' who knows everything, thru the books 'spreadsheet', but other mechanism doesnt work.
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er.. U do know that UTs <> stocks right?
Thus, more $ from uncles & aunties into the fund does NOT mean more cash chasing up the NAV or billions more for fund manager to fling.
UTs' fund size is governed by SC - have U not seen some UTs being "closed" to new buys?
http://www.sc.com.my/legislation-guideline...stment-schemes/
search for "Application to increase fund size for a unit trust fund"

We're all here to learn.
I was just pointing out in numbers your stated logic earlier.
Please do share actual data and not anecdotes of invisible stuff - benda halus ke?
Just because i farted & thunderstorm started doesn't mean kaka - have to look into the actual underlying causation, right?

Anyhow, have U read the statistics that the bigger the fund becomes, the harder for it to maintain its profitability / CAGR?

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jun 13 2014, 11:37 PM)
Never underestimate the lure of distribution to lay-person aka uncle and aunties.

To them, distribution = dividend. Manyak syiok wan.

Something for those UTC to talk about. "Hey auntie, auntie... see, your unit increase ady. Good rite?"

UT without Dividend ahem... I mean distribution is boring lar... like those stupid Insurance Investment Link type, never give distribution wan... NAV hit RM 3.XX... crazy wan.

Psycho psycho... investor where got wanna buy leh?

Xuzen
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Dude - U gotta hand it to them marketing BS lor.
<insert curses and hexes for evil marketing BS people here> tongue.gif

Can con ppl about laying more eggs during distribution BUT didnt tell whole-truth - them eggs all smaller eggs and if one weighs them, dagnabit - total weight same! doh.gif

This post has been edited by wongmunkeong: Jun 14 2014, 12:18 AM

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