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post Aug 3 2014, 09:06 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Aug 3 2014, 09:04 PM)
The ave nav is calculated after factoring sales charge..
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but sales charge already means less units, so if you change the no of units, and then you change the NAV.. wouldn't you be charging the sales charge twice?

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post Aug 3 2014, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 3 2014, 08:47 PM)
(1) Switch Buy if between different fund houses (e.g. sell RHB-OSK, buy Kenanga) is treated as 2 separate transactions, i.e. one Sell and one Buy. It will depend on the transaction processing time for the fund that u sell. E.g. T+4 for RHB-OSK, your Buy transaction will only processed on T+4. However, if it's Intra Switch (e.g. from RHB-OSK Global Equity Yield to RHB-OSK Equity Trust), usually processed on the same business day.

(2) I never bothered with the WAC. I only keep track/check the total number of units that I hold.
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But if you buy from CMF, is it slower than if you buy via FPX?

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post Aug 3 2014, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(cappuccino vs latte @ Aug 3 2014, 09:14 PM)
The WAC is higher after taken into consideration of sales charge.

Let say total cost of investment is RM1,000 and COI after sales charge is RM980.

No. of units will get if purchase price is RM1.00 = RM980/RM1.00 = 980 units.

The WAC = total COI RM1,000 / 980 units = RM1.0204

The NAV must reach RM1.0204 instead of RM1.00 itself in order to break-even.

It is a fair reflection of your investment cost and underlying value.
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So WAC = break-even point?

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post Aug 3 2014, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 3 2014, 09:52 PM)
No. Same.

Don't bother with the processing lag, what matters is the TRANSACTION DATE.
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Okay.. so if you switch from CMF after 10am, one day to switch right? but if you FPX before 3pm.. instant buy-in right? am I right about this?


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post Aug 3 2014, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 3 2014, 10:07 PM)
U CMF or FPX ANYTIME before 3PM on a business day, your transaction date would be THAT DAY.
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Ok I think I got it.. you actually get the price of the day you bought, regardless of the time it takes to settle smile.gif

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post Aug 3 2014, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 3 2014, 10:15 PM)
After 3pm, will be considered the following day.

3pm is the cut-off time. Money must reach by 3pm.
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So if I switch before 3 PM, it will be considered the same day?

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post Aug 3 2014, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(cappuccino vs latte @ Aug 3 2014, 11:20 PM)
Yes. higher NAV to recover the sales charge.
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Thank you so much lol smile.gif

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post Aug 4 2014, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Aug 4 2014, 01:10 AM)
does anyone set a TP for their funds? like sell off when hit certain return %? im in a dilemma whether to go for profit taking.. lol

got 4 funds which gave more than 12% return, should i leave it and do year end funds relocation or do it now?
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If you're going to do this sort of thing often why not trade in the market.. won't have to pay 2% to trade, you can pay 0.1% instead smile.gif people do UTs because they want to keep it for a long time, otherwise you just spend a lot on commissions smile.gif

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post Aug 4 2014, 06:13 PM

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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Aug 4 2014, 05:57 PM)
im trading in KLSE already, UT is an alternative to diversify into other markets, as i do not have time to trade in all ASIAPAC countries..  biggrin.gif

Agreed on UT = long term, but whats your target return after this 'term'? lets say 5 years, you expect a 50% return (10% PA), if you achieve 50% at 2nd year, do you sell? or stick to 5 years? dilemma laugh.gif
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Personally I intend to leave it to my descendants. Whatever they want to do with it is fine by me smile.gif

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post Aug 4 2014, 07:28 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 4 2014, 12:00 PM)
Eastspring:
GEM + Equity Income + Small Cap + Global Leaders icon_idea.gif

Hwang:
No good GEM and global fund on FSM platform doh.gif

Kenanga:
Only got Asia ex Japan + Kenanga Growth Sook Yee Fund biggrin.gif

RHB-OSK:
Got switching fee, so not attractive

So, only Eastspring has this good
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Kenanga has Asia ex japan? Also Eastspring has no switching fee?
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post Aug 4 2014, 07:43 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 4 2014, 11:47 AM)
hmm.gif just remembered...few weeks ago, i managed to talk to a FM during a seminar.
she hinted this strategy...might worth think it out.

if the fund had made 10% (value is just an example, could be of any value you want)
...cash / transfer out the 10% (keep this 10% at a safer asset)
rational....if you did not take it out.... if the fund made another 10% this 10% of earlier gains will just made another 1% of the amount.
ex....1000 + 10% = 1000 + 100

another 10% = 1100 + 100 + 10

if you take out that 10% gained earlier.....
and if the fund grow another 10%, you will just lose out the 1%

BUT,...you will have 10% of the BULLETS to shoot turkey in a corrections.....else all you invested amount + the 10% gained MAY be in "RED" during the correction.

what you think? i am still thinking about that too....
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You're assuming that you will run out of funds in the short term. If you have a salary and enough savings you can keep the fund and shoot corrections and still keep the 1% smile.gif
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post Aug 4 2014, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Aug 4 2014, 07:57 PM)
ah yes~ worth to consider. in some way this will become like profit taking in stocks trading.  thumbup.gif
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Yes it's worth doing that in stocks because it only costs 0.1% to take profit. If you are wrong it will only cost 0.1% to get back in again. But imagine you have to pay 2% to do this every time tongue.gif
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post Aug 4 2014, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 4 2014, 08:00 PM)
It works either way in portfolio re-balancing but taking profit or switching out will be the lowest cost.

If topping up and injecting fund, you have to SC.
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Yes, it's better in a cost/benefit kind of way, but not in an overall long-term profits kind of way smile.gif what is SC? smile.gif



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post Aug 4 2014, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 4 2014, 08:29 PM)
a positive enhancer for those who liked Asia X Jpn and EM region UTs....

The Start of an Asian Bull Run

Asia ex Japan equities and emerging market equities continue to rise steadily even as Europe and US markets erased a little of their shine. Year-to-date, if we compare Asia ex Japan, Europe, US and emerging markets, it is Asia ex Japan which are now the best performing market within this group.

https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/resea...SJBlog_20140804
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Start? how old is this article smile.gif

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post Aug 4 2014, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 4 2014, 08:45 PM)
Posted today:

WONG SUI JAU | 04 AUGUST 2014, 1700HRS (+800 GMT)
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So weird.. the run started in 2008, after the crash smile.gif

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post Aug 5 2014, 07:10 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 5 2014, 06:08 PM)
Please, I'm not even reach Silver status.
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Yea I received it too.. and not even bronze lol smile.gif I think everyone received it.. it got into the spam folder for some reason smile.gif

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post Aug 5 2014, 07:12 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 5 2014, 05:22 PM)
Frankly speaking, a lot of local fund house running on global/regional funds are not performing that good.
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Yes it seems like local fund managers are not really good at managing foreign funds smile.gif
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post Aug 5 2014, 07:40 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 5 2014, 07:18 PM)
There's no Bronze status.
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Oh well there used to be, never checked after that smile.gif

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post Aug 5 2014, 11:48 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Aug 5 2014, 10:26 PM)
Close ended fund a bit boring for me..  tongue.gif
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Yea, you have no control over anything. Too many Madoffs and LTCMs for us to even consider hedge funds tongue.gif

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post Aug 6 2014, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 6 2014, 11:14 AM)
High net worth investor spotted drool.gif
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Yes.. omg how many million do you need to have.

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