wow... not easy to take out leh... anyway if u wanna try

1. pull out the panel with the 5 buttons... i think u can pull out from the bottom part. bihind there got 2 screws
2. u got to pull out the air cond controls. there are clips behind them so got to use a bit of force.... a bit difficult if u have not seen anybody doing it yet. this is beoz the air cond thingy is behind the head unit so got to bend the plastic a bit....

after that u are home free... just 4 screws...

BTW, why wanna take it out...

i think FC will depend mostly on how and where u drive... if u are stuck 100% in traffic then u may get worse FC... on everage a stock gen2 would get 9-10L/100km in 100% jam and city driving. but the best i got was 7.3L/100km on the highway... so it all depends. but this may go up if u drive erm..... agressively. my worse/ or best looking at how u put it... haha... was 30L going for 220km, but of course this will not happen to a stock engine...

for manual or auto.... the character of the campro engine is a high revving one in nature. i got not much experience in an auto campro but i think it owuld be more or less the same

for the 1.3, well i dunno, but my guess would be that an auto and a lower powered car will for sure drink more fuel given all things equal to the 1.6.

haha, just saw this post....
power windows ahh, haha, trademark proton, but to all fairness my last car, waja, 3yr old did not have any power window problems as well as my 1.5yr old gen2...

gen2 or waja,
u got family, u want comfort then pls go for the waja... it has a better interior and the ride is more suitable for a family man..
then gen2 has better dynamics, better handling but ride would suffer a bit. however u are rewarded with a great driving experience.

any major problems,
dunno what u mean by major, but engine blowing up is quite a rarity, but it has happend (so has toyota's and BMW's), engine wise its still quite good. no problems. the only problems u may find is quality issues especially rattles and stuff, but then again u get what u pay for, overall no major problems

mantainence
definately cheaper than other makes in the same catagory, that is if u are going back to the official SC, but some makes are giving 3 yres free service which makes it a good deal. but if u see how it worlks it not that worth it and it comes back to square one (toyota gave free service for its vios a month back but then interest rate went sky high.). like shakks said, if u know where to get parts then i may be cheaper and sometimes better too....

good luck

hey, read the page 90 la, a lot ppl give comments there rite.

at that budget, not much unless its 2nd hand

5-7 ppl.... the gen2 4 ppl already a bit cramp.... but if u are talking 5 small young girls behind then no problem la, and also tell me where u are going:P

ya hor, i tot only lenox black and the red got airbags, ABS and leather seats etc etc

so urs is HL or not?
power? there is power but lack of torque in the lower revs. urs is auto or manual? if its a manual, try upshifting at 4000-4500 rpm.... it will help a lot

not really, becoz our engine is a high revving unit and max torque comes in at 4Krpm.so thats theorically the best point to upshift. if u strain the engine, more fuel will be wasted and u are going nowhere. on top of that engine wear will be higher as well. since urs is auto, just press the accelerator harder

haha.. yalor... but dont worry. the people at proton have done 180km/h in ur car on the rollers

haha, good one, that #@##* EMS700,

but i would say rev it kaw kaw just b4 the 1st service... why???

like usual too long to explain lah, but the short story is...
older cars u got to drive like aunty becoz the tolerence is really high, so piston rings, seals etc etc needs to be embeded i nicely and slowly, high revving those engines will sure cause higher wear due to the high tolerences. wear is also cause due to the machining process which is quite rough in the older days.

newer cars on the other hand have tight tolerences, almost every component in each cylinder is the same so it is more or less balanced. it u dont rev it kaw kaw in the early stages, the seals and piston rings and other parts will not be embeded properly. so why cannot take it easy when new, coz u no need to and also its better to do it before contaminats such as carbon and stuff gets into ur engine. if this happens and if ur car is not run in properly, u will lose a few horses along the way

Btw, this is only good for cars with an iron block. cars with aluminium block's have to take it easy too for a few hundered kilometers...

hmmm, just wondering what has piggyback got to do with open pod and oil catch tank? who told u this?

basically a piggyback is just to change the AF ratio of the engine across the rev range and at various throttel position points.

putting a cam pulley may help pull out a few horses but the others i dont think so.
oil catch tank is to trap oil vapours that flow through the intake manifold from the engine valve cover.... wonder how this effects the piggyback?

and also i have see audi's with ABT piggybacks and they dont have open pods.... yes open pods are more efficient but then they have to be isolated in our weather conditions. but i guess a good drop in with a large snorkel will do just fine.

wanna know what... 120hp is not impossible without a piggyback... hehe

good luck.

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Added on March 20, 2007, 6:37 pmyes all campro are ems700 but different batch have slightly different tuning i think

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Added on March 20, 2007, 6:40 pmLOL... worse than stock. yeah, i can belive it. it may seem great at first but then when the EMS700 re-learn the character of the car then i may be worse

so the best is still standalone...

This post has been edited by pacer: Mar 20 2007, 06:40 PM

bro, oil catch tank dont give u more power la, it only help to mantain the clenliness of the engine in the long run.... and even an open pod if done the wrong way dont give any improvement either. trust me i have tried, for our hot climate its best to stick to drop in. unless u are going got pipercross viper series or the CDA airbox... hehe... which i think is too much money...

anyway, if thats the case, i suggest u go for more internal engine upgrades (P&P, cams, engine balancing) first before the piggyback. becoz piggyback can only do so much to help improve without anything mechanically done (less than 10%). i belive that the management system should me the last thing done. dont forget that our campro and the 4G18 in the waja are not like conti's or high end jap cars where they give a lot of room for electronics enhancement. cars below 2.0L are almost made to the limit already in in stock form in terms of performance...

This post has been edited by pacer: Mar 21 2007, 08:52 AM

ahhh, damn stress... my foglamp broke and my bumper got a few stone chips.

was crusing slowly on the highway abt 80km/h and then suddenly this empty truck with loose stones on its tires came barreling down thowing stones all over the road... wanna avoid but too late....

any idea how much they cost each?

haha... u gave me an idea, but no $$ to o a proper airbox now la... CAI to the ori airbox not much difference rite... see how first
anyway thanks, will tell u if i want them

wait lah this weekend if god give me another sign... haha... then only got $$ to buy a pipercross airbox

haiyo, wanna change the batt position to beside the strut tower ahh, but just wondering if there is anything that needs welding? i mean the batt base/tapak how? or is it just like relocating screws and doing simple brakets

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Added on March 22, 2007, 10:22 pmhaha, any numbers to buy? maybe we can have a pool and win more haha, everybody untung

This post has been edited by pacer: Mar 22 2007, 10:22 PM

go check la, petrol le, don play play.
did u install any fuel regulator or fuel enhancement stuff or not?
last time my fuel return line had a small leak when i had a fuel regulator

but anyhow go check it out fast

This post has been edited by pacer: Mar 22 2007, 10:29 PM

most fuel injected cars has it... its the fuel pump making the noise.... dont worry about it.... but that will not cause petrol smell...

icic... u wanna recocate to the back izzit, i think thats a better option than putting it beside the strut tower... then got more space for other stuff ,
yeah and heat is terrible la... maybe insulate it with some insulating material will be good if i ever get an aftermarket airbox

for me i cannot do it now, have to use the car often so got to keep it in order, LOL... Not like last time, half the car is in the house also nevermind... haha

wei, ur mods getting ver expensive leh.... so i guess its still cheaper if not the same to put in a bmc/pipercross box. LOL.
ceramic coating will not help much lah, it will only reduce heat on the extractor but then the engine will still be hot, dont forget the campro runs a bit hot.