I think standard lighting... but emphasizes on shadow...

the color is also tempered a bit...and its all was shot in digital

This post has been edited by Abdul Rahman: Mar 18 2014, 01:51 AM

drama pun cantik jugak

Posting in gay thread

don't watch the dramas

Its the standard now

possible by local production

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This post has been edited by blues88: Apr 16 2014, 05:20 PM

Malaysia drama and movies also good, the only improvement need to make is lighting.

This post has been edited by ironmaid89: Mar 18 2014, 02:20 AM

Camera TS..everything lies on the camera. You have cheapo camera you have low quality image. Korea and Japan have awesome camera investment even from their low and mid tier film house.

Well everything need budget, our Malaysian mentality is 50% budget for 100 % work, such low budget, how to have enough fund to buy or rent such good cam.

And thus the mystery of shitty film image quality in Malaysia is solved

Not sure is it a good camera or ....

we also ada talent cinematography hebat2.

just never used for local films. i wonder why.

Maybe because they are early adopters of digital HDTV.

Are you kidding me??

no budgetttt.

their budget for an episode can cover a whole season of drama in Malaysia.

plus most of the talented tend to work in commercial line where the pay is better.

Go watch Japan Movies & Dramas la, Korean cinematography is just slightly better than Taiwan, much better than Hong Kong & Singapore, but in Asia Japan still no.1.

Taiwan is better than HK because they were under Japanese influence. But their acting sucky suck.

if you watch enough Asian TV & Drama, you'd realize in Drama except Japan, most uses very sharp lens with little bukake effects, the object & background are both clear, this really takes away the focus. People always think the Sharper the image the better, but not really the case.

notice Hollywood movies they purposely make the screen abit blurry by adding noise etc so the image looks more natural, only those B-Movies look sharp all the way.

also higher FPS doesn't mean better, Movies purposely stick to 30fps to make things go slower, if you look at those demo Bluray they boost the fps to 60Hz or 100Hz, everything looks strange, like it's no longer a movie but you are watching them taking the shots beside, everthing looks real but awkward that you don't feel like you are watching a movie.

u serious meh? lol

malaysia drama give me cancer

huh i always thought they played around with the brightness and lighting to make the images look sharp.

What bukake... Bokeh u mean? like this?

u mean story like hanti kak limah pulang or bro ada jumpa motor gua?

kawan, normal fps is 24 or 25 fps. 30 is normally for animation. And 60hz and 100hz got nothing to do with fps. It's just the TV rate with imho dont make a difference to Me.

the hobbit are one of the first film to release 50fps digitally, so i dont think what u said got anything to do with It.

So far, I think lighting and cinematography of Istanbul Aku Datang is the best. (Well, for me.)

color cantik

bandar sri damansara club house

dude the hobbit is 48fps, there are demos purposely made for higher than 48fps to showcase the tv technology, which result is more realistic but less cinematic feel.

frequency = fps, whether it's accelerated or not is another story.

what to expect when he confuse bokeh with bukake, frame rate with refresh rate.

imho japanese/korean have a very "feminine" approach to cinematography.
emphasis on softness, intimacy, light-play.

i stay there for more than a decade yo now staying on a tree in sabah

both are the same, you can't see clearly with one as the other.

you notice American Drama uses the same cinematography as movies, while asian drama except Japan, has totally different cinematography with their movies? In their Soap opera everything is so unatural & fake because they didn't use bukake to mask the props, background & use it to focus on objects. They might be using expensive cameras but the technique is totally not there.

sorry kawan yup it's 48fps.

but fps = frequency?? I donno what u talking.

I'm looking at latest Korean soap opera, apart from being more bukake, i don't see how the cinematography is superior than Taiwan soap operas.

I'm not K-fag but i try to be honest.

Their acting is at best slightly better than Taiwan too.

Cool, so easily spotted the location.

/kantoi-ed

Not sure u know the meaning of Bukake or.....

again, you might want to check what is bukake.

also don't simply think that movies using 24fps, is showing you 24fps, they could have reduced their fps by putting in clone frames so the movement is more cinematic than realistic, while i believe normal asian dramas shows pretty much their default fps with no modifications, that is another reason why soap operas look realistic like you looking at your macik next door while US/Japan dramas have more of a cinematic feel.

u got watch Discovery Channel? 1 episode they showcase tree houses, pretty neat & takes alot of effort.

go get urself a bukake treament, you'll realise you can't see as clear as you can normally, same thing as bokeh.

do you even know the basics of how TV works?

Frequency is the number of occurrences of a repeating event per unit time.

The hertz (symbol Hz) is the unit of frequency in the International System of Units (SI). It is defined as one cycle per second.

60hz = 60 frame per second (fps).



This post has been edited by advocado: Mar 18 2014, 10:27 AM

i even know the precise location,next to the pool at the water bath there

oh well,i don't have a TV here

kawannn, 24 fps IS the movie frame rate. If u shot using film then that is the rate.

and doesn't matter they reduce the frame rate or not but end product they still want it to be 24fps.

people in production shot something with the end product in mind, they shot 50fps, 120 fps or even higher ie. with phantom because of certain effect.

and if we purely talking about movie, only the hobbit is release in 48fps.

I see what you did there

no worries, can always look at the stars.

ur house got lightning arrestor?

that is sitcom lighting where the scene is very evenly lighted and using large depth of field to keep everyone and object in the set in focus. this is done because comedy need to see everyone reaction.

for drama this will no be good. drama work better with shallow depth of field and focus on one character at a time when he/she is talking or reacting

HBO have the best cinematography in TV

This post has been edited by robertngo: Mar 18 2014, 10:34 AM

HD...

kawan itu iz tv. Nothing to do with camera. U shot la 120fps ke apa pipu will broadcast in 24/25fps.

because u said iz camera so tak kisah shot is what rate but later in post change to to 24/25fps the setting lor kawan.

i got spy cam there

no...star is beautiful here though

well i'm not sure local dramas uses what fps when released, but it's definately higher than 24fps, this is why Local dramas doesn't look cinematic, they also don't apply bukakeness in their shots so that makes it look cheap. Koreans is still behind Japan, but is probably no.2 in Asia. China is not bad too, but their plot & acting needs improvement, China shows usually more down to earth. HK maybe no.4, Singapore no.5, Malaysia dunno maybe no.10.

When TV playback 24fps movie, the TV still shows 60fps, but they replicate 2-3fps for each fps of the movie so to our eyes it's still look like 24fps whereas in actual there's 60fps, so meaning movie producers can use same technique to fill up their 24fps, to make the movie look even slower and more cinematic.

Higher FPS = more realistic but less cinematic.

That is Western standard, Asian standard still using this wide DOF on all their shots, drama sitcom news documentaries.

Only movies they apply less DOF but result still meh.

I 1st noticed the difference when i watched J-Drama, because somehow they just look totally different, take 2 snap shots i can immediately tell the difference, not just color tone, but DOF, lighting, framerate.

It's already so many years, yet local cameraman still can't learn this simple technique.

there is no way the cameraman dont know about this, more like production constrain with cost and time.

kawan i also never play with my tv i donno lol.

all i know is for asterok, teebeetiga or teebeesatu all is 24fps. Movie also iz 24fps normally laaaaaaaaaaaaaa if u see in cinema except it olang pendek mia movie.

and as i said laa all iz budget one. If u got involve u see laaa the budget.in melehsia our Camera so canggih we use 10 years tarak losak mia Camera i also sooo fuyooo with them.

itu bukakeness is see bajet la kawannn, no bujet use itu murah murah one. Now asterok also no accept 5D mia footage how to shot shiok shiok.

kawan itu f1.2 Lens can beli a car wooo. Not cheap mia.

also if Fast pace drama people lari here there everywhere need focus puller some more, do 36 episode x gaji itu focus puller better makan itu wang.

lighting might play an effect, but i think normal soap opera utilizes more lights than anything else, and it really doesn't add up much cost for the DOF since even handycam can do it, the fps thing is post edit i don't think is difficult task.

but one thing is with low DOF, there is little room for mistake, so you really need a cameraman who knows what he is doing, it's like taking a shot with DSLR in manual mode, out of focus, wrong DOF will result in a failed photo.

however even if one uses high DOF, photoshop nowadays allows user to modify the DOF post shots and turn it into Bukake shots.

i think it's the lack of insight from the director & producers, and you know Malaysian system la, just follow what has been done previously.

But i'm suprised that despite the advancement of SIngapore shows, they still stick back to high DOF & Framerates.

By right SE Asia should be using lower framerate due to last time PAL 50hz, but seems NTSC 60hz is utilizing less framerates on their productions.

local drama look like their shots are taken with f18...

you don't need f1.2 man, i don't think hollywood uses f1.2 even if their lens is capable of doing this. Something like f5.6-10 makes more sense depend on what they are shooting. f1.2 is like really focus like on evidence or something, and you can easily post process it to increase the bukakeness.

most soap opera mana ada action one, talk more than tea.

I agree high FPS best for action movies, but for drama high FPS takes away the fantasy feel. I would say depending on the shots they are making, they can actually play around with different FPS in 1 movie, all they need is just chuck in filler frames when they need to shoot slow scenes and put full throttle frames when there's action sequence. however with cinemas, they are stucked with 24fps. but in bluray there's no such limitation.

For those not understand how high frame rate takes away the movie feel, just drop by a sony showroom, they usually show total recall on their tv with high frame rate, the feel is totally different.


This post has been edited by advocado: Mar 18 2014, 10:54 AM

Kawan itu movie look is everyone want to do but not everyone can do.

u need moneh and time.

good cemera, excellent lighting, good dop, good post prod.

and no one post process bokeness la kawan, itu satu minute videoX24fps=@&%$ of frame mau buat nobody do also.

why are we talking about cinemaphotography standards about drama?
korean movie(not drama) has good control on lightings
the fps stuff are very much standard
bokeh is not essential in movies, it only looks good in wedding videos

why japan can do it with every tv drama they are producing, even their normal new camera can do it...

i don't think the lens is that expensive, not f1.2 but f2.8 or f3.0 is enough.

the camera itself already cost alot, so lens is not that big cost.

i think it's the technique, you know local production lack innovation & motivation to improve, they just stick with the same methods they've been using 20 years ago.

time, effort & skills yes.

post production i don't think malaysia uses much other than cuts, still same as 10 years ago.

why can't you post process bukakeness? it's not as difficult as improving a shot making it look sharper, they just need to make the surroundings blurrer.

itu playing with fps thing i think too complex for u, u kno some action shots are shot with super high fps cameras, so some shots in the movie actually have more frames than the others like slo-mo scenes.

even with 24fps, you can chuck in replicate frames into that 24fps, so the same frame will showup longer time, which makes the movie look slower. you will still only see 24fps.

movie standard is built up from dramas, people shoot dramas to practise & use it as fundamentals, so if the drama quality is bad, movie quality won't be that great, that is why many production hire foreign talents.

nope, generally korean movies are dark & gritty themed, exploiting human taboo, revenge & full of plot twist. kdrama don't have the liberty to shoot these stuffs on public tv so its the usual weeping human relationship crap.

kawan i sudah reply lor, u Mau shot high frame rate mau ada bajet lor, ada bajet u use phantom 1000fps itu pistol pew peewwww pewwwwwwwww also u can slow down in post and see lor.

so everything is bajet.

and kawan later i use movie maker see if i can adjust bokeness in post okay.

Lolz. Its not bout expensive cam. Do you remember old skul movie? Citer hitam putih?

What we lack is good directer with good writer.

Inb4, u tgk kamen rider. Easily tapau the best movie we had.

maybe this is question of taste but I do think Korean cinematography is better then both Japan and Taiwan

Japanese movies also have their own qualities but I think they choose not to temper too much with the rushes to have a more raw and realistic look

Korean movies for me have a distinct balance between realism and film images

seriously? go get a life

i will like to add Bunohan, Sell Out and KL Gangster...

what Gareth Evans, Matt Flannery and Dimas Imam Subhono doing for The Raid 2 is creating a distinctive Indonesian look...

what will be a distinctive Malaysian look for Malaysia?

Yeah I like how Newsroom looks... can't think of any channel that can challenge HBO...

agreed....

you guys dont even sure about the basics like TV standards and frame rates

already argueing about the cinematography

do elaborate...

i said high fps = more realistic less cinematic, 90% of the soap opera are drama so they don't need high fps, but they show it in higher fps than movies, making soap opera less cinematic. if budget is a problem they should use lower fps so they save budget and increase the cinematic of their shows, just like how USA drama looks like.

U see older US drama in the 80's, similar to what you see in asian drama today, all very clear. But still i think US 80's drama looks more cinematic than 2014 asian drama.

let us know if you can bukake in movie maker, i know you can in photoshop, so i'm sure if movie maker can't, something else can.

anyone know what is the tv standards in Malaysia...?

well folks insist need high budget to do good cinematic film.

go watch some youtube short indie films, i don't think they use million dollar equipment & expensive lights to achieve their effects, just need some skills, innovation, good taste and a BIG HEART.

local producers mind set, just doing their job. can deliver by dateline ok liao. meh...

really interested in what ur talking about... can u elaborate more on Korean movies cinematography...

about local productions... here is very pragmatic... they look at is a work not a passion project... but with that comes along a unique pragmatic visual style that could be Malaysia's own

True this. They also dun recieve a lot of budget to shoot but still produce quality shot.

Bukkake...?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bukkake

This post has been edited by damonlbs: Mar 18 2014, 01:09 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bokeh

i dunno much about Korean movies that is why i don't write alot about it.

but the ones i see is very colorful high contrast, except Old Boy, which is close to how Japanese dark films look like.

but overall it's a hybrid between Japan & Taiwan (newer) movies, where they have the darkness/low color tone of Japanese movies & sharpness of Taiwan movies & occasionally colorful scenes. HK movies you can see is all dark dark, they try to copy Japan & Hollywood but fail everywhere, they try to make their movies cinematic but they make their movies either too sharp (office indoors) or too blur (night scenes), also their camera works lacks bukakeness. Somehow i find older movies like 80's - 90's HK movie more cinematic (except the special fx & cg part), but even CG in 2014 HK films, still pretty meh, but still better than typical China film CG, which looks like graphics from 00's games. even with crappy CG, you can actually make it look good by applying layers of "noise" to mask the imperfection, this is why adding bukakeness in the shots make the scene more watcheable.

i reserve my comments on the so called pragmatic visual style. kampung style would be a better reference.

but still some of the older hollywood movies has better cinematography than newer ones.

newest one i can think of is Skyfall, the lighting can give orgasm...

Blade Runner is one classic example of good cinematography. Remember all those backgrounds are done with physical props. Very little CG used like navigation in car.

i think one of the best crews behind the movie.

This post has been edited by advocado: Mar 18 2014, 01:14 PM

and I don't watch much dramas...

the visual I think is similar to Takashi Miike's films

maybe because I didn't see it on IMAX... but SKYFALL just didn't do it for me... maybe oso because I rabun jauh...

as a kid I always thought that Road To Perdition had the best cinematography of all time... Conrad Hall is my favourite cinematographer of all time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVDxfDNq2VU

I watched at home 1080p, the lighting scene in Shanghai is really top notch, the countryside is not that woo-wa but the way they took the sceneray shots is very good.

This. LOL

they have 반사판 감독 aka reflector director. this dude only works with the reflector and always argue with the camera director

their only job is to make the actor/actress shine brighter

the surrounding area will be under the expertise of the camera director

same reason why their chicks and cocks look good

all heavily edited