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 RPGT for property disposed >1year, Can it be 0% if no profit made???

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AppreciativeMan
post Mar 14 2014, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(Chaud @ Mar 14 2014, 10:09 AM)
30% is on your sales price, not profit. so if you make no profit, you still have to pay 30% RPGT tax if you buy and sell fast. (rugi)
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post Mar 14 2014, 10:38 AM

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Property will always go up , due to land is scarce as a commodity. You cannot create land out of thin air.

price may stagnate a little, and you might get some bargain all the time from people wanting a quick fire sale.

If Malaysians have holding power , how long do you think we can hold off our purchase of home ? Seems to me Malaysians in general have holding power , as we all still have jobs and no mid level heavy retrenchment and jobless.

Speculators are currently holding on their property , hoping that they can outlast the slowing down of property purchasers demand. They are tightening their belts , spending less in the retail markets and paying off their investment dues.

So let's see how long they can continue to scale down their lifestyle , or would they be victorious as buyers cannot wait to own their first home without sacrificing their lifestyle by living further away.
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post Mar 14 2014, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(Chaud @ Mar 14 2014, 10:09 AM)
30% is on your sales price, not profit. so if you make no profit, you still have to pay 30% RPGT tax if you buy and sell fast. (rugi)
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Waa very smart explanation lol...

So u mean if u bought a property for 1 M later sell at 1.2 M but need to pay 360K RPGT, which mean U actually loss 160K ? correct ?

Real Property "GAIN" Tax not Real Property "SALES" Tax, understand ? Tax from the "Gain" not from "Sales" ..



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post Mar 14 2014, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Mar 14 2014, 10:43 AM)
Waa very smart explanation lol...

So u mean if u bought a property for 1 M later sell at 1.2 M but need to pay 360K RPGT, which mean U actually loss 160K ?  correct ?

Real Property "GAIN" Tax not Real Property "SALES" Tax, understand ? Tax from the "Gain" not from "Sales" ..
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oh...I misinterpreted sweat.gif

means buy at 1m sell at 1.2m have to pay 30% of the 200k?

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post Mar 14 2014, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(PACINO @ Mar 14 2014, 10:38 AM)
Property will always go up , due to land is scarce as a commodity. You cannot create land out of thin air.

price may stagnate a little, and you might get some bargain all the time from people wanting a quick fire sale.

If Malaysians have holding power , how long do you think we can hold off our purchase of home ? Seems to me Malaysians in general have holding power , as we all still have jobs and no mid level heavy retrenchment and jobless.

Speculators are currently holding on their property , hoping that they can outlast the slowing down of property purchasers demand. They are tightening their belts , spending less in the retail markets and paying off their investment dues.

So let's see how long they can continue to scale down their lifestyle , or would they be victorious as buyers cannot wait to own their first home without sacrificing their lifestyle by living further away.
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The longer the flipper hold the higher their cost, when their spending getting less economy will get worse, soon economy will be having contraction, people start getting pay cut or retrenchment, the first thing they do is fire sales their extra property, if not they might even loss their own staying house.
Only first house buyer would be desperate, the rest of us can wait for dead chicken. .Muahahahha
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post Mar 14 2014, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(PACINO @ Mar 14 2014, 10:38 AM)
Property will always go up , due to land is scarce as a commodity. You cannot create land out of thin air.

price may stagnate a little, and you might get some bargain all the time from people wanting a quick fire sale.

If Malaysians have holding power , how long do you think we can hold off our purchase of home ? Seems to me Malaysians in general have holding power , as we all still have jobs and no mid level heavy retrenchment and jobless.

Speculators are currently holding on their property , hoping that they can outlast the slowing down of property purchasers demand. They are tightening their belts , spending less in the retail markets and paying off their investment dues.

So let's see how long they can continue to scale down their lifestyle , or would they be victorious as buyers cannot wait to own their first home without sacrificing their lifestyle by living further away.
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government can reclaim lands... tell you only if they can hold longer than 10 years they survive the wave, holding below 10 years especially 5 years and below, see how they burn their hands in this market..

every market so silence di, no worries, they can hold osos no use, new developments coming, their credit locked in old properties one so competition lesser, with current market flippers sure be very careful couple with developers maximum profit means entry price high, this will make them shy away..

sure got ppl firesales one, many actually plan only to sell off upon VP, those times are still here, but the price quoted beats potential buyers...
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post Mar 14 2014, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(Chaud @ Mar 14 2014, 10:45 AM)
oh...I misinterpreted  sweat.gif

means buy at 1m sell at 1.2m have to pay 30% of the 200k?
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yes only from gain, but need to include loan penalties, legal fees (sales & purchase & loan), stamp duties (loan & s&p).. when you bought from developer, and then another round of S& P legal fees when you sell...

and also, minus your initial deposit paied say 500k (50K), and any loan that you have service , say you pay 2.2 k monthly, you paid 10 months, that is 22k..

PROVIDED YOU CAN SELL, minus everything you get the nett, then divide by minimum 3 years or 2 years completions dates for new prop landed and high rise..

other than this it rugi kes... every month bleed 2.2k , sumore insurance fire, quit rent and assessment, and havent include MLTA and MRTA another extra RM200 per month, if flipping they wont bother..

all above this, you as an owner will then buy from them the inflated price, your burden will double of them.. good luck choose wisely, if deal is really good grab it..

first hurdle is the bank valuation anyting less tha 80% not worth it at all even 90% also need to kfully see the surroundings..

my 2 cents
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post Mar 14 2014, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Mar 14 2014, 11:03 AM)
yes only from gain, but need to include loan penalties,  legal fees (sales & purchase & loan), stamp duties (loan & s&p).. when you bought from developer, and then another round of S& P legal fees when you sell...

and also, minus your initial deposit paied say 500k (50K), and any loan that you have service , say you pay 2.2 k monthly, you paid 10 months, that is 22k..

PROVIDED YOU CAN SELL, minus everything you get the nett, then divide by minimum 3 years or 2 years completions dates for new prop landed and high rise..

other than this it rugi kes... every month bleed 2.2k , sumore insurance fire, quit rent and assessment, and havent include MLTA and MRTA another extra RM200 per month, if flipping they wont bother..

all above this, you as an owner will then buy from them the inflated price, your burden will double of them.. good luck choose wisely, if deal is really good grab it..

first hurdle is the bank valuation anyting less tha 80% not worth it at all even 90% also need to kfully see the surroundings..

my 2 cents
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but i thought all these legal fees borne by the buyer?
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post Mar 14 2014, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(Chaud @ Mar 14 2014, 11:05 AM)
but i thought all these legal fees borne by the buyer?
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no... as a vendor, these is also legal fees to be bourne. dun believe try selling one..
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post Apr 2 2014, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(JoiceChow @ Mar 12 2014, 05:38 PM)
RPGT calculate based on your net profit of the amount you earn to tax it.
It's can after deducted lawyer fees, agent commission, only calculate your tax amount.
REAL PROPERTY GAINS TAX FOR 2014 Tax Rates
Personal (citizen & PR) Company
Disposed within 3 years 30% 30%
Disposed in 4th year 20% 20%
Disposed in 5th year 15% 15%
Disposed after 5 years 0% 5%

For non-citizen, disposal within 5 years is subject to a flat RPGT of 30%. Disposal after 5 years, RPGT is at 5%.

If you want to skip for RPGT, the only thing u can do is hold your house until 5 year.
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If i juz bought a subsale unit which only 1 year and sell it still under 30%??
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post Apr 2 2014, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(sherman1437 @ Apr 2 2014, 05:19 PM)
If i juz bought a subsale unit which only 1 year and sell it still under 30%??
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Boss, whats tripping you?
The post by @joicechow which you quoted clearly explained its 30%.

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post Apr 2 2014, 09:31 PM

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RPGT has nothing to do with property valuer. Is the taxable amount from nett gain. And nett gain is the amount u sell ( stated in snp) minus amount u buy (also stated in your old snp) and minus all the expenses incurred (such as leal fees, agent fees and renovation to the said property)

Please dont provide misleading information


QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Mar 12 2014, 04:52 PM)
Please note that the Tax dept has their own valuation of your prop.... Your valuer may value RM1 mil, Tax dept may value it as RM1.2 mil....
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post Apr 2 2014, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(edyek @ Mar 13 2014, 09:18 AM)
Sometimes it is not about UUU or DDD... Some people might just need the money for emergency hence selling way lower than market value for quick disposal.

So please dont make this an issue of UUU or DDD.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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That is right.. there are ppl who are desperately in need or emergency for money..

btw TS, is it a joint loan and joint ownership? If it is joint ownership.. edyek might come handy..
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QUOTE(gunh @ Apr 2 2014, 09:31 PM)
RPGT has nothing to do with property valuer.  Is the taxable amount from nett gain.  And nett gain is the amount u sell ( stated in snp) minus amount u buy (also stated in your old snp) and minus all the expenses incurred (such as leal fees, agent fees and renovation to the said property)

Please dont provide misleading information
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Ya lor dude must be meaning the adjidication of MOT.. if I m the one committing dat error.. ppl will spam me kao kao..

this is the 2nd incident di.. blatant errors in concept..
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post Apr 2 2014, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 2 2014, 10:06 PM)
That is right.. there are ppl who are desperately in need or emergency for money..

btw TS, is it a joint loan and joint ownership? If it is joint ownership.. edyek might come handy..
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Wei hor. Boss BBW.. Why you always bring up this joint ownership issue?

I provide comments when I like lor. No need you to lick my shoe lor...
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post Apr 3 2014, 07:09 PM

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QUOTE(gunh @ Apr 2 2014, 09:31 PM)
RPGT has nothing to do with property valuer.  Is the taxable amount from nett gain.  And nett gain is the amount u sell ( stated in snp) minus amount u buy (also stated in your old snp) and minus all the expenses incurred (such as leal fees, agent fees and renovation to the said property)

Please dont provide misleading information
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Excuse me..... U better speak to your lawyer before saying I'm feeding misleading information.....
If u transact your selling way below market price and declare without profits, TAX dept may impose their own market price as calculation......
Go ask first.....
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post Apr 4 2014, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Apr 3 2014, 07:09 PM)
Excuse me..... U better speak to your lawyer before saying I'm feeding misleading information.....
If u transact your selling way below market price and declare without profits, TAX dept may impose their own market price as calculation......
Go ask first.....
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Smart dude ... your world class work is framed here..I wonder now....tapao me balik pulak..

This post has been edited by bearbearwong: Apr 4 2014, 09:16 PM
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post Apr 4 2014, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 4 2014, 09:11 PM)
Smart dude ... your world class work is framed here..I wonder now....tapao me balik pulak..
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So wat is the problem with the statement? rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
Obviously u don't even understand wat I'm referring...... doh.gif doh.gif

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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Apr 4 2014, 09:25 PM)
So wat is the problem with the statement?  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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You dare accussed me dunno diffetentiate when I fact It was you.. linking valuer with RPGT which was correctly pointed out by gunh.. remembrr

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