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Life Sciences Future of a Biomedical Science graduate in M'SIA, what is next after the basic degree

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TSsnowz28
post Feb 13 2014, 12:40 PM, updated 12y ago

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I considered Biomedical Science as my undergraduate degree course.
I haven't registered myself but the intake is a month away. icon_question.gif icon_question.gif

Those biomedical students or graduates, please do help smile.gif

What can I do after completing the basic 3/4 years of biomed degree? flex.gif

As far as I was told, biomedical science students usually end up in labs doing research.
I am not a very lab kind of person, nor do I love biology.
But compared to medicine and pharmacy, this seems like a lighter and brighter path to take.

I would like to know the opportunities of a biomed graduate.
I've heard of furthering one's studies.
What if I don't..?
What am I left to choose..? shakehead.gif

Plus, pharmacy and medicine fields are said to be getting VERY saturated with umemployed graduates.
Is this the same with biomed..?
This is a big concern for me as I am planning to stay in Malaysia unless I am THAT smart to earn myself a scholarship.
Meanwhile, I need to know the ugliest fact before I throw myself into this course.

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post Feb 13 2014, 12:42 PM

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Better you do accounting cert and start working part time; do a degree in accountancy in the evening that way no problem with job.
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post Feb 13 2014, 12:58 PM

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Really hard to find any job that specifically require biomedical degree, such as science officer@research officer position normally they will open to several other courses such as microbiology, biochem etc. so u have to fight with other people from diff courses for the same position. Biomedical lack of focus on something, jack of all trade,master of none. U can use ur flexibility as biomedical graduates to enter into many other post grad courses, become expert on something such as invitro fertilization, natural products or many others in order to make urself more valuable. Speaking from my own experience, currently i'm finishing my master on computational chemistry with application on sensor, previously working as SO for natural products, b4 that i'm doing works on endophytes as RA and yes, i'm biomedical graduates
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QUOTE(snowz28 @ Feb 13 2014, 12:40 PM)
As far as I was told, biomedical science students usually end up in labs doing research.
They tend to end up in doing sales for biomed companies. icon_idea.gif
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post Feb 13 2014, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(zheng88 @ Feb 13 2014, 12:42 PM)
Better you do accounting cert and start working part time; do a degree in accountancy in the evening that way no problem with job.
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yes I've heard of how beneficial is the accounting course.

unfortunately, I've tried accountings in SPM.
Maybe it was my problem, since I didn't put as much effort in it as I did in science. ( since accounts was an elective subject, which I dropped at last before registering my final confirmed subjects for SPM)
Boy, I would say I can't do all the journals and bills.
Dont get me wrong, I love maths and figures, but somehow I couldn't do that.
But I wouldn't deny that I did not have the heart for it.

Recently I read back accounts materials in my college library, the ones for ACCA students.
I realized, I still don't have the grasp for it.
So, I think I shall just study a science degree.

THANK YOU for your feedback (:
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post Feb 13 2014, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(trosicky @ Feb 13 2014, 12:58 PM)
Really hard to find any job that specifically require biomedical degree, such as science officer@research officer position normally they will open to several other courses such as microbiology, biochem etc. so u have to fight with other people from diff courses for the same position. Biomedical lack of focus on something, jack of all trade,master of none. U can use ur flexibility as biomedical graduates to enter into many other post grad courses, become expert on something such as invitro fertilization, natural products or many others in order to make urself more valuable. Speaking from my own experience, currently i'm finishing my master on computational chemistry with application on sensor, previously working as SO for natural products, b4 that i'm doing works on endophytes as RA and yes, i'm biomedical graduates
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I am sorry but I am having a hard time digesting what you've written. lol.
Can you make it simpler..? biggrin.gif
It's okay if you don't get my point.

Anyway, what do you mean that biomedical is lack of focus..?
I understand that it isn't a professional degree unlike a pharmacy degree.
However, I've also been told that biomed graduates are more flexible than pharmacy graduates.

One of the reasons I doubt pharmacy, is because I couldn't and wouldn't want to see myself guarding a pharmacy.
I don't have the financial ability anyway.
But a senior told me, an engineer graduate who doesn't want to end up as an engineer has other great opportunities such as working in a bank or other companies that need great math minds.
But as for pharmacy, besides working in clinics, retail pharmacy, or selling medicines.. there are not many other options left.

What would you say about Biomed..?
And your masters.. what is that exactly about..? computational chemistry with application on sensor..? that sounds.. so NOT familiar at all hahaha.
Forgive me If I sound dumb, I am actually biggrin.gif tongue.gif
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post Feb 13 2014, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Feb 13 2014, 12:59 PM)
They tend to end up in doing sales for biomed companies. icon_idea.gif
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What does a biomed company do/sell?
How does one differs with a pharmacy which sell drugs..?

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QUOTE(snowz28 @ Feb 13 2014, 01:26 PM)



What does a biomed company do/sell?
How does one differs with a pharmacy which sell drugs..?

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make one post enough la...make so many different post, all same story geh -,-

Anyway, simple.

Biomedical sciences can be use for non-sciences jobs a.k.a. medical underwriter, etc and don't have to take Masters.

Pharmacy allows license for own retail pharmacy BUT requires Masters for license.
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post Feb 13 2014, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(TheDuckster @ Feb 13 2014, 01:31 PM)
make one post enough la...make so many different post, all same story geh -,-

Anyway, simple.

Biomedical sciences can be use for non-sciences jobs a.k.a. medical underwriter, etc and don't have to take Masters.

Pharmacy allows license for own retail pharmacy BUT requires Masters for license.
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Ahhh I see.. nod.gif

Well the posts are not exactly same. haha (:
I hope to help those that have similar doubts as myself lol.

Plus, does the different posts thing trouble you..?
Sorry if it does, then you can choose to only read one. (:

Thanks though! smile.gif
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post Feb 13 2014, 01:58 PM

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There is no such thing as Biomedical Officer..if u grad from pharmacy, medic, dental, optometry..the job already waiting for u, unlike biomedical grad. What i meant by lack of focus is, after u grad, u have no expertise on something, u do learn pharmacology, physiology, microbiology, biochemistry etc. BUT u are not the expert on those specific subject.There is specific course for microbiology, biochemistry, pharmacy and those graduate become expert on their field. eg When a company want to hire a microbiologist, u also can say u can do microbe but microbiology graduate will have the advantages here, unless the company want to hire multi-skill worker such as microbiologist+biochemist, biomedical graduates do have advantage..My master do involve some quantum+analytical chemistry, i'm doing my master at Department of Chemistry, like i said, biomedical graduates very flexible..one more, sales executive become one of the most popular job for biomed grad...if u really like selling stuff
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post Feb 13 2014, 02:03 PM

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I'm a biomedical science graduate, currently working as a lecturer in IPTS.

I don't think this course is for you if you don't like doing lab works. There will be no less than 80% of subjects offered in this course require lab session. Furthermore, all of these subjects require the student to pass practical examination (apart from written final examinations).

Most of my fellow classmates during undergrad days now work as Science/Research Officer or Lab Managers. Some went for PG after graduation and embarked their career in teaching or research in IPTs. Some ended up being sales or technical reps for medical/lab equipments or drugs. Less than 10 of us now working as medical underwriter for insurance company.

Since you dislike labwork, there isn't much for you as a biomedical graduate in Malaysia at current moment. Furthermore, there is no proper human resource management in malaysia, hence you will be surprised if you could not get a decent job related to biomed after graduating.

The best you could do for now is to learn to love labwork.
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post Feb 13 2014, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(trosicky @ Feb 13 2014, 01:58 PM)
There is no such thing as Biomedical Officer ..if u grad from pharmacy, medic, dental, optometry..the job already waiting for u, unlike biomedical grad. What i meant by lack of focus is, after u grad, u have no expertise on something, u do learn pharmacology, physiology, microbiology, biochemistry etc. BUT u are not the expert on those specific subject.There is specific course for microbiology, biochemistry, pharmacy and those graduate become expert on their field. eg When a company want to hire a microbiologist, u also can say u can do microbe but microbiology graduate will have the advantages here, unless the company want to hire multi-skill worker such as microbiologist+biochemist, biomedical graduates do have advantage..My master do involve some quantum+analytical chemistry, i'm doing my master at Department of Chemistry, like i said, biomedical graduates very flexible..one more, sales executive become one of the most popular job for biomed grad...if u really like selling stuff
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There is one under SPA. Google Pegawai Sains Bioperubatan
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post Feb 13 2014, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(trosicky @ Feb 13 2014, 01:58 PM)
There is no such thing as Biomedical Officer..if u grad from pharmacy, medic, dental, optometry..the job already waiting for u, unlike biomedical grad. What i meant by lack of focus is, after u grad, u have no expertise on something, u do learn pharmacology, physiology, microbiology, biochemistry etc. BUT u are not the expert on those specific subject.There is specific course for microbiology, biochemistry, pharmacy and those graduate become expert on their field. eg When a company want to hire a microbiologist, u also can say u can do microbe but microbiology graduate will have the advantages here, unless the company want to hire multi-skill worker such as microbiologist+biochemist, biomedical graduates do have advantage..My master do involve some quantum+analytical chemistry, i'm doing my master at Department of Chemistry, like i said, biomedical graduates very flexible..one more, sales executive become one of the most popular job for biomed grad...if u really like selling stuff
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If you don't mind, will a B.Sc. in Medical Biotechnology suffice as a specialist degree? Was thinking of topping up with Masters, but not sure which will help out in job.

QUOTE(touix @ Feb 13 2014, 02:03 PM)
I'm a biomedical science graduate, currently working as a lecturer in IPTS.

I don't think this course is for you if you don't like doing lab works. There will be no less than 80% of subjects offered in this course require lab session. Furthermore, all of these subjects require the student to pass practical examination (apart from written final examinations).

Most of my fellow classmates during undergrad days now work as Science/Research Officer or Lab Managers. Some went for PG after graduation and embarked their career in teaching or research in IPTs. Some ended up being sales or technical reps for medical/lab equipments or drugs. Less than 10 of us now working as medical underwriter for insurance company.

Since you dislike labwork, there isn't much for you as a biomedical graduate in Malaysia at current moment. Furthermore, there is no proper human resource management in malaysia, hence you will be surprised if you could not get a decent job related to biomed after graduating.

The best you could do for now is to learn to love labwork.
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post Feb 13 2014, 02:15 PM

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Yes i know that one, Pegawai Sains Bioperubatan aka pegawai histologi..i went to the interview last year..they only require your knowledge on histology@cell science, not biomedical as a whole
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QUOTE(TheDuckster @ Feb 13 2014, 02:11 PM)
If you don't mind, will a B.Sc. in Medical Biotechnology suffice as a specialist degree? Was thinking of topping up with Masters, but not sure which will help out in job.
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What do you mean by specialist degree?

Afaik, Med Biotech graduates have an upper hand in terms of technicals compared to Biomed. Biomed students have better grasp on the disease biology (mechanisms behind pathogenesis, lab investigations and result interpretations), but this can differ from one uni to another.

Like in our molecular lab, we can easily pinpoint a personnel if he/she was a Biotech or Biomed graduate from the first few months. One is good with technical details, and another with background knowledge. After a few months, there will be no difference.

PG depends on what do you want to do later in life. You can take molecular if you want to work in molecular labs. A friend of mine took Masters of Dietetics and Nutrition and now she is a registered Dietitian.

If you want to do science, you have to further into PG although this cannot guarantee a secure job in our country.
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QUOTE(touix @ Feb 13 2014, 02:05 PM)
There is one under SPA. Google Pegawai Sains Bioperubatan
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QUOTE(trosicky @ Feb 13 2014, 02:15 PM)
Yes i know that one, Pegawai Sains Bioperubatan aka pegawai histologi..i went to the interview last year..they only require your knowledge on histology@cell science, not biomedical as a whole
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Come on man.

Do you know what are the job scope of a Biomedicine Science officer?
Different lab applies different specialty. Some even focuses on subspecialty.

Your interview clearly shows that they need manpower in histology/pathology lab. Internal transfers between labs is common. I wouldn't be surprised if you end up in blood banks after few years.
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QUOTE(touix @ Feb 13 2014, 02:30 PM)
What do you mean by specialist degree?

Afaik, Med Biotech graduates have an upper hand in terms of technicals compared to Biomed. Biomed students have better grasp on the disease biology (mechanisms behind pathogenesis, lab investigations and result interpretations), but this can differ from one uni to another.

Like in our molecular lab, we can easily pinpoint a personnel if he/she was a Biotech or Biomed graduate from the first few months. One is good with technical details, and another with background knowledge. After a few months, there will be no difference.

PG depends on what do you want to do later in life. You can take molecular if you want to work in molecular labs. A friend of mine took Masters of Dietetics and Nutrition and now she is a registered Dietitian.

If you want to do science, you have to further into PG although this cannot guarantee a secure job in our country.
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medical biotechnology is a Biotechnology degree with a set specialization, right?

I dunno la. I score perfectly in labwork, but dun feel like just doing the same thing over and over again. It's like a hobby turned into a job. But I feel like doing Masters. haiz.
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QUOTE(TheDuckster @ Feb 13 2014, 01:31 PM)
make one post enough la...make so many different post, all same story geh -,-

Anyway, simple.

Biomedical sciences can be use for non-sciences jobs a.k.a. medical underwriter, etc and don't have to take Masters.

Pharmacy allows license for own retail pharmacy BUT requires Masters for license.
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Plz clarify the bolded part i.e. masters for license

As far as i know If you wanna open a retail or wholesale pharmacy biz u need to have License Type A. Any pharmacist registered with the pharmacy board can apply.

Fyi registered pharmacist are those who holds the relevant qualifications recognized by the board (undergraduate degrees) n have fullfilled the pupillage training.
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QUOTE(abcde90 @ Feb 13 2014, 02:46 PM)
Plz clarify the bolded part i.e. masters for license

As far as i know If you wanna open a retail or wholesale pharmacy biz u need to have License Type A. Any pharmacist registered with the pharmacy board can apply.

Fyi registered pharmacist are those who holds the relevant qualifications recognized by the board (undergraduate degrees) n have fullfilled the pupillage training.
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Obviously you won't be getting a license if you only have Bachelor's, right? yawn.gif

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