Wanna ask if a degree in education is needed if i have interest in being a lecturer (possibly pre-uni or bachelor's).

A degree and masters in sciences is enough or I must have a PhD or any education degree?

The pathway to be a lecturer is not the same pathway to be a teacher.

You don't need to get a specialized degree in Education to be a lecturer.

First of all, which field are you interested in?

Say, if you are interested in psychology, then you need to have at least a Master's degree in Psychology and perhaps a doctoral degree in Psychology.

i'm interested in biology. was thinking if a degree in biotech and masters in bioscience enterprise will still land me this job, since i'm more inclined to teach a more general pre-uni biology compared to undergraduate

As long as you have a Master's or undergraduate degree in a similar field to biology, I'm pretty sure you can teach biology at the foundation level.

when u're talking about "pre-uni", what exactly are u talking about? a-levels/stpm?

if so, u need either a degree in education specialising in biology or a biology degree itself. eventually a masters to top it off and secure ur position in the long run.

a-levels/ausmat/other private pre-uni courses. but most probably ausmat coz i kesian my bio lecturer, he's alredi 65 and still lecturing. i heard a lot of people complaining him now. If i do a degree in biotechnology, it will be fine to enter the private education line right? i'm worried i will be a dead man in PhD, it's unnecessarily tough.

You see, degree in biology dun exists in a good private uni here in KL ~,~

u know why they dont offer the course in private unis?

i'm afraid not. pretty worrying since there's a high chance i'm ending up in private. I will definitely need a high ranking private uni here, just for advanced acceptance as lecturer into previous uni if i apply there.

Go for a Science - related degree/masters which doesn't only allow you to teach biology. If it's too narrow, you may have problem getting a job in the future. Science related courses are limited here in Malaysia.

Degree in Education - you'll most likely be teaching in School of Education


ps: An ex lecturer with a MSc in Health Sciences (infectious diseases)

What's the difference between both? I'm planning to go into B.Sc. Medical Biotech, then Masters of Biosciences Enterprise. is this ok? or a second Masters is needed to get above the rest? PhD takes longer...is it worth the extra 2 years?

To be honest, if you wanna teach beyond Biology, having a Masters itself will not take you far as majority of the university in Malaysia only takes in those with PhD to teach Degree students. If it's only Foundation/A-level programs, then yeah, it will be suffice. But then again, bear in mind that you won't be paid much for it (teaching lower level of education).

The question now is, how far do you want to go? Are you willing to sacrifice your time? For our field (science), the ideal would be to obtain a PhD.

Approximate time:

-Bachelor : 3 years
-Masters : 1.5 - 2 years
- PhD : min 3 years

For degree in Education (majoring in Science), I dont think so you can teach Foundation in Science leading to Medical/Pharmacy/Biomedical pathway. Form 6? Yeah most likely.

it's simple: these courses are less popular.

less popular means less applicant and less students. roughly translates into less money making opportunities.

with that said, it also applies to IPTAs. these courses are less popular amongst school leavers in general, so the competition is less. a 3.00 should stand a good chance of getting into IPTA for these courses.

If so, can I take a PhD in a field completely different from what I'm studying? I got interest to do a research plan to seems not 100% bio-related. I don't feel like taking Education degree, tbh. I love biology too much to go into Education. Besides, I cannot tahan the generation after my Generation Z punya

But said Bachelor's as mentioned by me ealier will suffice, right? Really only that can help?

bachelor is sufficient. but here's the thing: how long do u wanna stay teaching pre-uni?

pre-uni is neither university level nor 2ndary school. atleast those two have better prospect as a full time profession.

Yes you can take a completely different PhD. But by doing so, it may or may not affect your future employment as universities still prefer to take in those in the same pathway due to MQA requirement. When the day arrived, you just need to work something somewhere out to tackle this. I myself is facing this dilemma now.

What do you mean by you cannot tahan the generation after Z?

If you are sure this is your path- to teach biology related subjects, I guess taking those two mentioned by you is a good start.

sorry, i meant with Masters, it will be fine to be in uni, right? wondering if pre-uni llecturing is actually nothing more than a part-time profession

very sure. at least i can score in that field of bio. Was thinking at least a slightly related PhD can broaden my chances.
After my generation punya, average kids are alredi very rowdy, hamsap and very daring without considering the actions. i have heard how rowdy these new batch are in schools. damn, if they reach college and mess it up.....

Then it's up to you how to tackle these type of students. That's why teaching is not easy if you do it for the sake of money/merely treating it as a job rather than your career + passionate about it. You will give up fast.

Good luck!

Shouldn't you factor in the time for pending viva in Master and Doctorate?

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