Hi Forumers,

I am choosing between a Toyota Altis 1.8 and a Kia Cerato 1.6. Both are C-segment cars.

Advantages of buying a Kia Cerato 1.6
- Cheaper price of RM99,888
- Cheaper installment
- Cheaper road tax
- Cheaper insurance
- Free 3 years services including parts and labour
- 5 years warranty
- More gadgets and safety - cruise control, vehicle stability management, 6 airbags
- Better dealer discount

Advantages of buying a Toyota Altis 1.8 (RM116,990 with navigation)
- Better resale value, lower depreciation rate
- Perceived better quality
- Good after sales service
- Good Brand

So far my concern is on after sales service by Naza Kia. While resale value is better for Toyota, given that we have to buy at higher price plus some other spending over the first 5 years (road tax, insurance, services etc.), this factor is not significant. Quality is subjective, both seems good from first hand test drive and feeling. Brand is less important compared to other factors.

Anyone can shed some lights on the after sales service? And if any other concern that I should be aware of when choosing these two cars?

Thank you.

So far I have been in facebook groups of Kia Rio,Cerato, Forte, K5 and I dont see any complaints regarding their service centre.. Mostly the owners there spend money modifying the cars..

Diffent situation at VW and Peugeot group though.. So I can say Kia is still pretty reliable

You should compare with 2.0 Cerato..Since the price gap would be closer with 1.8 Altis

if got budget for altis might as well go for cerato 2.0.

Altis looks better than Cerato.

Yeap ! Strange fellow comparing car with difference of 16K ??
Most definately

The more i look at Cerato the urglier it get, totally no character.

Naza service at Kota Damansara is top notch. Service here instead.

Toyota again? Not afraid stolen a few weeks / months driving it?

if there is one thing I would really complain about the Cerato's design, it's the tail lamp when switched on during the night.
It looked like a really swollen pair of eyes.

Toyota altis all the way bro. I test drove the latest 1.8 and the engine is so freaking smooth, it makes the cerato 1.6 i test drove before feel like its from the 90s.

Nothing beats toyota service centres!

If the extra 16k is not an issue, you should go for the Altis.

Lesser accessories, lesser headache in the long run. Not to say the Altis looks better than Cerato, but this is just my personal opinion.

This is really a reason need to concern
Take care of this baby altis every1 , my insurance agent said that Thailand already facing the stealing flood of this altis @@ btw the car been stole will send to where ?

Ok back to topic , comparison for the 1.6 cerato and 1.8 altis really not make sense , rm16k different that's a lot

This month damn bad luck for 5 of my close friends and relatives. Their cars stolen from homes and offices.

1. Toyota Camry 2.4
2. Toyota Alphard 2.4
3. Toyota Estima 2.4
4. Toyota Hilux 2.5
5. Toyota Altis 2.0

All stolen within this month.

Oh man !

Btw I try to put 1 more toyota fortuner , it also a hot model

Thanks for the comments. My rationale to compare these two cars is cerato 1.6 cheaper than altis 1.8. If I have to pay rm11x,xxx, I will definitely go for altis. But given that kia car has lower resale value, lesser brand value, unknown quality and after sales service, I will consider it only if kia car is significantly cheaper, such as in this comparison.

if u like gadgets like air cool seats or sunroof, choose cerato...

if u prefer refinement on the move, the new altis is way ahead of cerato...

this might step on alot of toes but the new altis has marginally better handling characteristic then the cerato... and yeah it surprises me too...

This post has been edited by kcng: Jan 29 2014, 11:45 PM

If you are someone who love playing all those features in the car, take Cerato.

Altis would be bald, reliable and good resell value car....

UMW really sucks, why makes cars that thieves like to steal and easy to steal....
Those people who don't like Toyota, this is good reason to avoid Toyota cars.

Better buy those cars that even thieves will ignore then no need to have headaches ( since there is really no full proof way to prevent car theft, better option is to buy cars which thieves have no interest at...)

I dunno what you think about this:

to me, toyota service is just average. For example, repairs are only done during weekdays. That makes the car owner "carless" to go to work. they will only do servicing on Saturdays.

Also, most of the time, the queue is super long. usually gotta leave the car there and find your way back. there is no drop off service.

cerato is too new to predict its rv. but current kia sportage rv is not that bad. more or less used honda crv year 2011.

based on your comparison, cerato 1.6 is the more sensible choice as it's cheaper

Anybody can say anything here. No proof gtfo

Yeap, altis refinement is amazing

Of course u have to leave ur car thr lah. Which sc provide taxi home unless maybe rolls royce! LOL

U try VW sc once n u will be dying to come bck to Toyota

my brother in law service in proton and they have shuttle service to drop the customers at shopping complexes.

that's from Proton eh... Toyota apa ade?

Asking a question like this here in LYN will not get you any closer to a decision. Both Toyota and Kia fanboys will come in here and slug it out claiming each is better. So im not gonna walk down that path. What i will give you is the 13 key criteria's in choosing a car and you can then decide from that which car to go for:

The key word with any car purchase should be VALUE FOR MONEY meaning what ure getting for what ure paying for. Generally there are 13 criteria which are important when choosing a car:

1) Price
2) Safety
3) Specifications
4) Design
5) Interior space
6) Build quality / durability
7) Ride, handling, power
8) After sales service
9) Overall maintenance cost (not just periodic maintenance)
10) Warranty terms
11) Comfort
12) Resale value
13) Future models / facelifts

There is no car in the market which has all 13 criteria’s. So the idea is always to list your choices against these criteria and then compare against how much ure paying for it.

You also need to take into account your specific needs. For instance, if ure not a driver who drives fast, long distance or spends a lot of time in the car then don’t bother getting a car which is powerful and excels in ride & handling. It will be a waste.

Also give importance to long term needs not just the present. Look at least 5 years ahead and see where ull be. Cars are a 100% loss from Day 1 so the idea is always to minimize losses by choosing the car which satisfies most of the criteria above and yet keeps the price affordable. In saying this, I don't mean that resale value should become the primary criteria hence why its No 12 on that list.

Use these 13 criteria’s when listing down your choices. Never ever choose a car based on 3 or 4 criteria’s. U'll just increase the risks of making the wrong choice. Test drives actually don’t help much because most of the time ppl don’t know how to test drive or what to look for in a test drive. But do your homework and then test. Ull get a better idea then.

Hope this helps you in your decision.

And btw, ive been a Optima K5 owner for the past 21 months after being a loyal Toyota customer for 9.5 years. Do i regret my decision to switch? Except for after sales service which Toyota excels in, i dont. And please give alot of importance to safety and especially the Stability Control function. It saved my life last year.

From ur checklist look like u're definitely not willing to pay for an expensive cars...
U use 4 times "cheaper" word, 1 x discount, 1 x free...
From there, u should know aldy that u should go for cerato...
Trust me, u'll nvr get ur answer in this thread...

Based on your budget, the Altis 1.8 at RM116k. Is this the right comparison with Cerato 1.6L? Not Cerato 2.0L?

Please note, C-segment 1.6L is not that much difference from C-segment 1.8L as the 1.6L engine will need to rev more to move from idle. Both returns around 9.2km/L to 10km/L in 100% city jam traffic depends on how jam. 1.6L engine only wins in idle only FC. Cerato wins on gearbox maintenance as Altis is CVT.

If you go for Cerato, NASA after sales, only few good sub-franchised SC that do things fast. Others, you'll might take longer wait. Spare part wise, plenty as spare part suppliers outside already bring in bulk cheap parts. After warranty or confirmed the car is not defective, you can send to Korean car mates or trusted workshops with qualified engineers for service. Hyundai-Kia reliability & durability is good, better than other Japanese brands but behind Toyota.

If you go for the new Altis, after sales and spare parts are fine but if there's any unexpected dispute like unusual defective wear & tear while under warranty, less likely you'll win against them should they want you to pay. Altis FC is good.

It's up to you which to choose. Go for Altis, it's newly launch, you'll get more attention. Go for Cerato, you'll get more package. If you're ok with Elantra 1.8, you should check that one too.

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Jan 30 2014, 03:55 PM

Mind sharing which sc provide that? Tq

Don't thrust this fellow who had only driven 1 low specs obsolete car @ NASA Forte EX 1.6 4AT come with black steel rim..lol

1.8 vs 1.6 in fact quite different, 1.6 usually quite struggle on highway, a decent C segment should be at lease 1.8 ltr capacity.

KIA engine r by far behind compare with the japs T,H,N,M.

To ensure your right choice you should conduct a range of test initial by Dr. Jayraptor De Mad Scientists, 2 ltr run till engine stalled FC test, Reserve gear uphill GB test, 100kgs sand bag drag race test, Zigzag handling test with 5 full size adult..before deciding ..lol

Hi, may I know why you refer NAZA as NASA? Thanks

It's Dr. Jayraptor secret code. .lol

Let me give u short lesson while waiting for Choy San.

NASA = NAZA
Honta = Honda
N Brand = Nissan

Our Jayraptor afraid those companies will sue his pants off if he use the correct spelling, while criticising their products, I wonder what had he possess apart from a 5 years old Forte EX 1.6 4AT which still have 4 years loan (he took max 9 years loan to buy that car in 2009)..lol

COSE.... Proton HQ off Kesas highway.

Thanks jolokia for sharing all the origin of the brand names

If u insist on Altis, get the 2.0V. The 1.8 no VSC, and little airbags. However, I would personally go for cerato 2.0, cuz it's packed with gadgets and safety features. Design wise, it's subjective though

this, quote for truth

but too bad in bolehland i dont think many people care

This post has been edited by pds_disi: Jan 31 2014, 01:36 AM

Toyota sc in pj got this service too, they can send you anywhere within 5km.

Plus, many toyota sc got kuih mihun n nasi lemak, u can tambah if u wan. Proton got?

Kia Cerato if u dun give a damn abt resale value

got.

It's the SC in Shah Alam, near the Kesas highway Proton Excellence centre.

In Proton Manjalara got - there Astro also got.

C-segment 1.6 is for those who can't afford 1.8L or 2.0L but wanted a C-segment anyway. So you're saying your crap 3rd nation Lavina 1.6L with poor aerodynamic and kerb weight as heavy as C-segment struggle on highway? Not just the 1.6L, even your 1.8L struggle on highway due to 4AT where FC won't go pass 14km/L unless you use cheat the fuel pump nozzle method in lightfoot contest.

I went for Forte 1.6EX because of less gadget and smaller tyres aka cheaper maintenance. Also, already predicted that NASA lousy marketing causing the 2.0L RV drop to just slightly higher than 1.6SX on first year.

Local Kia engine is in fact more advanced than Honta and N-brand but beaten by Mazda/Ford GDI engines. However, they already have downgraded injectors for their GDI engines and the Hyundai i40 has been altered to suit our local fuel grade. Toyota already has the tech available in Lexus, but not willing to use on Toyota in mass yet.

The name NAZAK and later NASA was given by you. Honta means Ultar while N-brand refers to 3rd nation junks. Nissan refers to Altima, Sentra US.

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Feb 2 2014, 12:05 PM

That name was given by jolokia and N-brand marketing staff back in AW forum. At first they used NAZAK, then NASA. I just follow them. They are afraid of lawsuit probably.

Ah ha ! Now ur statement is contradict with the previous statement that 1.6 & 1.8 no differences.
Grand Livina is a MPV@Wagon, the main purpose r for those who need a 5+2 vehicle, aka those who need to fetch extra passenger but not on regular basis, therefore 1.6 is more that adequate though 1.8 is also available.
Nissan fuel economy test is conduct by various renowned auto website include AW, Paultan.org & CBT therefore the results is reliable.

U went for Kosong specs EX because even base on max 9 years loan you r not qualify for SX loan.

N brand r renowned for its ultra reliable engine that why it is the preferred brand for long distance Taxi (light blue taxi), this year TC will launch Altima & New Sylphy aka US Sentra with latest dual VVT tech.

The record in AW clearly shows U R the one who started NASA for NAZA as u afraid getting disciplinary/legal action.

Few months ago u dare to says Forte can sell good price ..lol now 4 years Forte 2.0 aleady loss 50% resales value..wakakaka

Is it ? How much 2010 sylphy price now ?

Nissan Sylphy 2010 can still get 55% of selling price, Naza Forte is currently the most teruk RV 2.0 C segment.

Cannot imagine RV for those taking 7-9 years loan when they complete their loan.

When I said Forte would end up like Spectra no one believe, now I can say "I told u so" ...lol

So expect Cerato to faced the same future. .sigh

Most teruk ? How ur calc ? Can u show some sample here...

Based on all 6 cars below in same 2.0cc spec (selling price in 2010 is stated inside) :-
http://paultan.org/2009/11/25/kia-forte-he...alue-for-money/
http://paultan.org/2008/05/30/nissan-sylph...ls-and-pricing/
http://paultan.org/2009/03/19/new-honda-ci...ed-in-malaysia/
http://paultan.org/2009/06/10/mazda-3-spor...ed-in-malaysia/
http://paultan.org/2009/02/16/facelifted-p...le-in-malaysia/
http://paultan.org/2010/03/15/ford-focus-2...shift-rm128888/

I dunno any trusted source for 2nd hand car price... Maybe u can calc from mudah.my...

This post has been edited by sitescope: Feb 3 2014, 03:23 PM

Eh friend dont u get tired with this same crap over n over again ah? Dont u have more important things to worry about? Keep on and on about resale value. Instead of just talking about poor resale value why dont u provide actual figures comparing original purchase price with current 2nd hand selling price for each make e.g Forte, Sylphy, Civic and Altis? Provide at least 3 examples for each (with links) then let them see for themselves. Figures cannot lie so why dont u just provide them the actual info instead of going on and on trying to prove them wrong? Damn sien listening to the same nonsense on all Kia threads la.

Do a simple table with the original selling price vs the current 2nd hand selling price for each make. U can get info from Mudah. Give at least 3 examples for each. Then easier for everybody to see and judge for themselves. If not this will just be a never-ending boring discussion.

Ya lorrr... I suspect he's desperate Nissan salesman...
Try to boost his Almera sales...

The old Cerato I'm sure it is a true C-segment car, but the current Cerato I doubt it is a C-segment car. The most can say is B-segment size with C-segment equipment.
Do I need welcome light? Yes, to attract I or my other half get robbed.

Segments are not determined by the equipment range in the car la. Segments are mainly based on dimensions. Equipment range is not always determined by an individual's wants and needs. Its given to add value. Its silly to start this discussion about wats needed and whats not needed. Most Malaysians will say they dont need stability control also. How many of us have been in accidents that require airbag deployment? Does that mean we dont need airbags also. My point is dont bother with the 'i dont need this' argument. Doesnt get you anywhere.

I dunno what u refering to as old Cerato. There is only one Cerato in Malaysia and thats the current version. Both the Forte and Cerato are C segment cars the same as the BMW 320i.

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Feb 3 2014, 03:32 PM

No it's not. The Ford Focus will be much worse.

This post has been edited by dares: Feb 3 2014, 03:31 PM

Is it? When I want to sit to the old Cerato on driver side, I have no problem entering it. Steering also never hit my leg with the seat pull to the middle.
While the new Cerato I have problem entering it and steering still hitting my leg even with the seat push to back totally.
BTW, I use Lancer/Inspira as benchmark. Unless I'm using Myvi as benchmark, yes, I do agree with you that current Cerato is a C-segment car. Even Myvi have way more legroom than Cerato.

I sat on cerato showroom before... Feel cabin quite smaller inside... like B segment size...
The rear lamp is weird... due to the LED lamp quite big...

Do you know how many different dimensions are taken into consideration? U are only refering to legroom. What about hip room, head room, shoulder room, etc? What about the total length of the car, wheelbase, width, etc? All these need to be taken into consideration. You need to also consider seat design, dashboard overhang, size of side panels, etc as well. So you cant just use legroom. What about the legroom in the BMW 320i? Have u sat in one? Go sit and tell me how much legroom you have inside. If u only compare legroom, then the Sylphy is surely D segment while the BMW 320i is B segment cuz its quite cramped in there. What about the new Ford Focus? Thats gotta be the most cramped C segment in the market.

Btw, i dont know what problems you get entering the new Cerato unless ure very tall. Im 183cm and ive had no issues entering the Cerato.

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Feb 3 2014, 03:43 PM

This old cerato refer to Forte... when come to msia, naza chg it to forte...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kia_Cerato - 2nd generation

At last I see someone don't fooled by what others said.
Well, normally when i want to see a car, I don't ask my other half to go. Instead, I ask another 4 friends that having same size as me(80-90kg, 175-180cm).
Then sit on it and see who will make noise first. So, old Cerato passed on this but new Cerato I not even invited my friends, just go alone only already I know it sure failed.

I do know that.

Nobody is getting fooled and nobody is blindly supporting anything. You are connecting the wrong dots here. For you segments are determined by legroom which is NOT the case. There are about 10-15 different dimensional criteria which determine segmentation. Legroom is just one of them.

Ok maybe C segment but with smaller cabin inside...

Not smaller but way smaller than Forte.

Even within the segments there are different classification now. There is compact, entry level, luxury, etc. All this you can get even within the same segment. Previously segments were driven mainly by the engine capacity. ANything which was 2.0L and above was D segments. BUt now its different. There are C segment cars with 2.0L engines. There are also B segment cars which are as powerful as D segment cars although engine capacity may be smaller thanks to the inclusion of turbo engines.

The point im trying to make is that segmentation of vehicles is determined by a range of criteria. Legroom is only one of those criteria.

Nope sorry. I dont agree with you here. Why dont you provide us with actual dimensions both external and internal to back up your claims? There are many websites which will provide these dimensions so you should be able to easily find it.

But you are trying your best to justify you are right.
If first test(legroom) already failed, doing other test are kinda wasting my time.
Ok, even I close 1 eye and let it passed, rear headroom also failed. So comfort already failed for rear passenger.
Then hip room like you said? This is affected greatly by legroom. So, it will be the same.

What does the dimensions tell? Nothing. Comfort or not still have to sit on the actual car.
If I were to look at those numbers, I already bought it before it launched.

You only using a Forte still in the Year of the Horse?

I am right. You said that based on legroom, the Cerato is NOT a C segment. 100% wrong. Then you said this Cerato is MUCH SMALLER than the previous Forte. Also 100% wrong. Now suddenly u are changing your line of argument and talking about comfort. Common la friend.

Let me give you some actual dimensions to prove my point to you. This is comparison between Cerato vs Forte. First set of data is for Cerato and all in inches.

Front head room - 39.1,40.0
Front leg room - 42.2, 43.3
Front hip room - 53.8, 53.0
Front shoulder room - 56.1, 55.7
Rear head room - 37.3, 37.6
Rear leg room - 35.9, 35.0
Rear hip room - 53.1, 53.3
Rear shoulder room - 54.9, 54.7
Width - 70.1, 69.9
Length - 179.5, 178.3
Wheelbase - 106.3, 104.3

Ive given you actual FACTS. So now please share with me how you came about with your statement that the new Cerato is MUCH SMALLER than the previous Forte? Lets see your facts.

Dimensions tell you something, comfort tells you something else. Both are different set of criteria and influenced by different factors. I suggest you do some reading up before commenting further.

I didn't sit at the rear seat that time so can't comment on rear space...
But in front confirmed feel smaller, or is it bcoz cerato dashboard more bigger than forte so dashboard use more front space ? I believed manufacturer didn't provide dashboard size, do they ?

Well, he just merely want's to prove me wrong. Will he slap his own face on this to provide you the figures? I doubt so he will.
Anyway, the sales of the new Cerato is a good point to prove us how good they are. Till today, Altis numbers till standing top when comparing Cerato.

If you can provide the numbers of the seat size, dashboard size would be better, if you can.
BTW, you buy a car based on what? Based on those numbers?

Those numbers to show both in same segment which is C segment...

I see, guess I stuck in the time where comfort comes first. Now people buy a car based on numbers and forget about comfort.

U are just being childish. The purpose of my last few posts is to prove you have made a mistake in 2 things:

1) Legroom is not the ONLY factor which determines vehicle segmentation
2) The new Cerato is NOT MUCH SMALLER than the Forte

And i believe that i have proven my points above beyond doubt. I have never said that the Cerato is a good car, or that it is better than the Altis or that its a worthy buy or that Cerato sales are better than any other car out there or that we should buy cars based on dimensions.

You have made 2 mistakes and i have proven you wrong. Learn to admit your mistake and move on. LYN is a forum to discuss and learn in a matured manner. Everybody makes mistakes. No big dea and no need to get emotional.

Cheers!

(Btw, you dont know what the actual sale numbers are for any of the makes in the country so try not to claim something when you do not have the data to back yourself up. And just to be clear in case you fail to understand simple English, im not saying that Cerato sales are better than Altis or any other car out there)

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Feb 3 2014, 10:14 PM

Tis again is another silly statement but this time im not gonna rebut using my argument. Ill let the expert Paul Tan deal with this false accusation of yours. So please read this article to the end and then come tell me that Paul Tan is wrong and you are right.

Can i bring your attention to Paul Tan's exact words in the this article in the 3rd last paragraph:

'On the comfort front, the Cerato has them all licked'

The article itself:
http://paultan.org/2013/07/04/driven-kia-c...alaysian-roads/

But then again, what does Paul Tan know about cars and comfort right? he's just a noob right? Ure so much more of an expert than him.

(Btw, again im not saying the Cerato is a great car worthy of top sales or purchase so dont mince my words yea?!)

He is being paid for such review. Why not get that UK jerk Jeremy Clakson's review?
Again, I said Cerato is smaller than Forte that's my real world testing, I don't give a sheet on those numbers. Which another member also agreed with me on this.

At any 1 time, out of 10 C-segment cars, I can see 3 Altis, 3 Civics and 0 Ceratos most of the time. Waiting time too long?

Why dont you get Jeremy's review and post it here? Till now you have yet to provide any tangible data to suport your argument besides your 'i feel it so it must be true' line.

Btw, did i ever say that the Cerato is bigger than the Forte? If i have, please copy and paste my exact comment here.

When its clear that you have been proven wrong and with proof, be man enough to admit and move on la. The more you argue the more ure embarassing yourself even to the extent of claiming that Paul Tan is biased in his reviews.

Again, did i say that Cerato sales are better than Altis or Civic? The more you talk the more ure embarassing yourself la. Aiyoo its not even funny at more.

Haiyaaa... ask forte & cerato owner meet at somewhere... ask them to swap car and comment...

Passing by.......damn crowded hor!

Obviously your feel on your real world testing only serve u and you alone thus pls be reminded to include 'that's just me' at the end of your review/comment in the near future as clearly to the rest of us, your review doesn't reflect to the actual.

Also there is no need to show your 'bruised ego' further by commenting and dragging all sort of unrelated topic into the argument without any supporting detail.

That my friend will show how a fool turn himself into a bigger fool.

Need meh? Because Forte owner knows already. I got a twin brothers that 1 own Inspira(thanks to him praising it till I buy) and another own the 1.6 Forte. Both of them never complaint. But when see the new Cerato, they both say : this is really a C-segment car or a Compact-segment car?

What a lame statement... Still cannot provide data, fact or link to support argument..

kia white knight is strong in this thread~
owai..

He already knows he has made a mistake and he knows he is screwed. Best thing is that he assumes that im a Cerato supporter just because i whacked him with facts which didnt support his notion that the Cerato was crap.

But wht really baffles me how he can claim that Paultan is biased and therefore his review is crap but what his 2 brothers and 'expert' friend are Gospel truth?

This is clearly a case of shooting ones mouth off without having sufficient knowledge about cars or doing proper research. In any case im still awaiting his response on the legroom factor which he brought up earlier. Ive provided the raw data and measurements of all dimensions but till now no response.

There are suddenly many white knights becoz there are ignorant person who said cerato is smaller car/ not C-segment car.
Same case when there are ignorant person who said altis just like vios in same segment b4.

Those people who said that usually will say it based on what I see; not based on actual fact.

Still pending his response.

Still prefer toyota instead of KIA. Better resell value.

Another mirror of jolokia... lolz...

Yes bro. Ure perfectly right. Resale value should be the ONLY factor which determines a car purchase. Safety, specs, value for money, etc should NEVER be considered at all. Great on ya!

For 10 years run, basically they are more or less the same. The only difference is you serve higher loan on Japan brands.

Want to ask. For example.

1.u buy altis 2014 10%dp with 5 year installment then you resell it before the next gen altis reveal(usually most each car model on road every 5 year then it will change with new model).
2..u buy altis 2014 10%dp with 9 yrs installment then u sell it before the next gen altis reveal.
3.u buy 2014 altis 10& with 5 year installment then you resell it after the next gen altis reveal.
4.u buy altis 2014 10%dp with 9 yrs installment then u sell it after the next gen altis reveal (around year 2021)

which option u think will give better resale value?

10 years Altis still can get buyer, 10 years Cerato like current Spectra give free also people had to think about it...lol