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TStoh2020
post Jan 20 2014, 05:51 PM

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make it simple..

the rich gets richer (anticipating property bubble to burst. the faster the better. buy forclosed properties at undervalue prices. sell them of good reasonable prices for handsome profit when market regains momentum)

the poor gets poorer (when will we ever get a home sweet home. price hike is inversely proportional to income. so the goals are beyond reach)

the mid incomer caught in dillemma between 2.
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post Jan 20 2014, 06:55 PM

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QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ Jan 19 2014, 06:04 PM)
You have the experience and you have a point there. No matter what, we have to be prepared for the worst. But right now we are talking about prices which is way beyong affordability. It is different as maybe when you bough properties, prices we were talking would be around Rm100k to 300k. Now we are looking at around Rm600 to >RM1 Mill in prices. Could you imagine if one were to be so highly in debt for example, servicing a Rm1Mil Loan and that someone were to loose his source of income? Its not that the Rm1 Mil loan would be so easily servicable. Nowadays, our salaries are of the same amount 10 years back. But properties prices has increased ten folds. So would it be advisable to just buy what you need and definately buy within your means so that even if the economy goes down, you could still afford to service your loan and not become a bankrupt.

The main question again is, is it the right time or not to buy now. Times now are properties prices at at the peak (at the moment), Economy hsas slowed down tremendously, Government and leaders has no apparent idea what they could be doing to improve our countries' economy and the worse part is banks are getting very stringent on their loans with the high NPLs.
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For own stay go ahead Buy,
For investment long term Buy,
For flipping you can forget about it.

U need to accept the fact you have been downgraded so don't expect you can afford what your bros/sis or Senior can 3-4 years ago.
Imagine this if u earn 10K per month now equal to 5K 3-4 years ago, 7-8K equal to .3-4K, below 5K then better don't dream buying house or you going be in high risk.
U have the choice to choose a reasonable size house but expect far far away paying lot's of toll & petrol plus spending hours to & from work place, or U can accept pigeon hole size house closer to city.
Sorry to says our economy r managed by businessman now particularly developer, they can decide country policy. (just look at min wages & Iskandar foreigners cap on properties).
Just pay the price & hopefully u can complete the mortgage without the need to go AKPK...lol
Don't eat Kai Lan or Sawi switch to Kangkung maybe can save some extra for house fund. ..wakakaka
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post Jan 20 2014, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ Jan 19 2014, 06:04 PM)
You have the experience and you have a point there. No matter what, we have to be prepared for the worst. But right now we are talking about prices which is way beyong affordability. It is different as maybe when you bough properties, prices we were talking would be around Rm100k to 300k. Now we are looking at around Rm600 to >RM1 Mill in prices. Could you imagine if one were to be so highly in debt for example, servicing a Rm1Mil Loan and that someone were to loose his source of income? Its not that the Rm1 Mil loan would be so easily servicable. Nowadays, our salaries are of the same amount 10 years back. But properties prices has increased ten folds. So would it be advisable to just buy what you need and definately buy within your means so that even if the economy goes down, you could still afford to service your loan and not become a bankrupt.

The main question again is, is it the right time or not to buy now. Times now are properties prices at at the peak (at the moment), Economy hsas slowed down tremendously, Government and leaders has no apparent idea what they could be doing to improve our countries' economy and the worse part is banks are getting very stringent on their loans with the high NPLs.
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Your salary is the same now as 10years ago? Really? Even Indon maid earned more in Malaysia compared to 10 years ago.
Also I wonder what residential property increased 10x over 10years in Malaysia

This post has been edited by Minolta: Jan 20 2014, 07:04 PM
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post Jan 20 2014, 07:57 PM

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QUOTE(Minolta @ Jan 20 2014, 07:02 PM)
Your salary is the same now as 10years ago? Really? Even Indon maid earned more in Malaysia compared to 10 years ago.
Also I wonder what residential property increased 10x over 10years in Malaysia
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Actually the difference in salary 10 years ago is really marginal, graduate salary is like 10-15%, U r right foreign labour actually enjoy more increment than local, that why I agreed with Tun Mahathir that FDI from property development actually bring more benefits to foreigner than Malaysians ib general.
As for properties price I think 10X is a bit over exaggerated, 3-6X more likely.

But if u talk about money value base on inflation figure, he is not totally wrong by saying 10% salary adjustment & 10X house price, 5K salary 10 years ago allowed u to live a decent living but 5K today mean living in real budgeted life & anything below that meaning u live as poor fellow in the city.

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post Jan 20 2014, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ Jan 19 2014, 06:04 PM)
Economy hsas slowed down tremendously, Government and leaders has no apparent idea what they could be doing to improve our countries' economy and the worse part is banks are getting very stringent on their loans with the high NPLs.
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given them credit - top skills with spending, wasting and taxing, consultant fees, task forces and more taxes. it sucks to be a tax payer these days...

oh... usd today 3.32, if 3.4, 3.5, will they raise rates?

some people say we have usd100 billion reserves, no scared. but when will they use all that to keep rm less weak? do they actually have that reserve or just smoke n mirrors like usually? tongue.gif
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post Jan 20 2014, 09:06 PM

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tot our current beloved ruling govt already had Government Transformation Programme (GTP), which includes monitoring the performance of ministries and six national key result areas (NKRAs) through Key Performance Indicators (KPIs).

by then things should be better or otherwise?

we know those under GTP oversee the overall govt KPI are highly overpaid compared to ministers.

p/s: the banking sector predicted 2014 OPR will go up from current 3% to 3.5%. i presume BLR to raise above 7.7%.
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post Jan 20 2014, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(toh2020 @ Jan 20 2014, 09:06 PM)

p/s: the banking sector predicted 2014 OPR will go up from current 3% to 3.5%. i presume BLR to raise above 7.7%.
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that would be a killing... no meh?

even from current BLR 6.6% to 7% already a massive raise!
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post Jan 21 2014, 12:11 AM

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seriously to be honest if you are to do the same job for rest of your life. u be paid the same amount or lesser even for years to come. basically it comes down to demand and supply. if the company willing to keep u. that's fine, consider yourself lucky. when they opt for automation u are consider redundant and out of the job. basically it comes down to one's own mindset.

when you see yourself doing above more than you are paid, keep learning and improving. the company management does not give a damn about been appreciative to your efford. instead of finding justification to brainwash you into thinking this is what u deserved. henceby taking all your credits to promote themselves. to keep their jobs safe. dumping their workload on you taking things easy themselves. it's your own wisdom and decision either to move out for better prospect. or perhaps stay down being obedient under suppression.

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QUOTE(toh2020 @ Jan 21 2014, 01:11 AM)
seriously to be honest if you are to do the same job for rest of your life. u be paid the same amount or lesser even for years to come. basically it comes down to demand and supply. if the company willing to keep u. that's fine, consider yourself lucky. when they opt for automation u are consider redundant and out of the job. basically it comes down to one's own mindset.

when you see yourself doing above more than you are paid, keep learning and improving. the company management does not give a damn about been appreciative to your efford. instead of finding justification to brainwash you into thinking this is what u deserved. henceby taking all your credits to promote themselves. to keep their jobs safe. dumping their workload on you taking things easy themselves. it's your own wisdom and decision either to move out for better prospect. or perhaps stay down being obedient under suppression.
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post Jan 21 2014, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(lamode @ Jan 20 2014, 11:49 PM)
that would be a killing... no meh?

even from current BLR 6.6% to 7% already a massive raise!
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this is anticipated by major banker. eitherway it's BNM decision give way to them or the rakyat.

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post Jan 21 2014, 12:28 AM

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QUOTE(lamode @ Jan 20 2014, 11:49 PM)
that would be a killing... no meh?

even from current BLR 6.6% to 7% already a massive raise!
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QUOTE(toh2020 @ Jan 21 2014, 12:19 AM)
this is anticipated by major banker. eitherway it's BNM decision give way to them or the rakyat.
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As I mentioned before, the government is adopting deflationary monetary policy now. Being so, measures by increasing BLR and so on and so forth would discourage spending and in the long term curb overspending beyond means and debt ratio as well as npl and in the long term help curb inflation as well.
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post Jan 21 2014, 01:00 AM

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I always like Crystal ball expectation and I do believed the blr will raise till 7.7% before 2015 .

For those taking Dibs and fixed BLR with 3-5years lock in package ppls , definitely hope that the market slow down and BLR raise sky high in this period . Don't you ? Flippers?

No offence in all time , I'm personally thinking of the top5 property talk ddd campers in this forum , actually is the 1 who going to flip the most -.-a


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post Jan 21 2014, 06:43 AM

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QUOTE(Actchan @ Jan 21 2014, 01:00 AM)


No offence in all time , I'm personally thinking of the top5 property talk ddd campers in this forum , actually is the 1 who going to flip the most -.-a
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It's so true and the fact is some nicks r fr the same person. U can c lotsa old timers with new nicks here arguing the same old topics. brows.gif
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post Jan 25 2014, 02:22 PM

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http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/busines...eady-next-week1

My friend's comment :

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Money market is flushed with excess funds. Bank Negara has to intervene to stabilise the OPR. If there is no artificial intervention, interest rates should come down instead of the expected increase in 2014. The policy curbing property market is affecting the loan market. Inflation has also affected people from spending unnecessarily hence causing less loan and credit being extended. Banks now have too much money. But the banks still maintain the BLR which should have come down if everything works in accordance to free market.

Banks are short-changing us. They go out of the way to give new loans at -2.xx% instead of adjusting the BLR, so that their margins are not affected on the old loans. And business loans are still at BLR + x.xx%. If the banks adjust BLR based on the market rate, then the banks will earn less than otherwise would be in an non-manipulated market

Malaysian banking system is still lacking compare to the advanced country banking system. While FD rate has come down from 4.xx% to 3.x in the past 1 year, BLR should have come down correspondingly by at least 50 basis point.
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post Jan 25 2014, 02:32 PM

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i don't think it come down. if you average up the figures. the BLR stand at 2.995% which still the same 3.0% currently. this why BLR still stood at 6.6%.

any increase of decrease of BLR are dictated by overall OPR movement. the profit and lost are also taken to consideration. so the financial institution can keep afloat.
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post Jan 25 2014, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(toh2020 @ Jan 25 2014, 02:32 PM)
i don't think it come down. if you average up the figures. the BLR stand at 2.995% which still the same 3.0% currently. this why BLR still stood at 6.6%.

any increase of decrease of BLR are dictated by overall OPR movement. the profit and lost are also taken to consideration. so the financial institution can keep afloat.
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Yes it didn't come down. That is all because BNM wants to maintain it by intervening the market. That is what the link is saying.

Whereas the FD rates has come down from 4.xx% to 3.xx%. Clearly indicating banks has too much money in the market. And the banks taking cheaper deposits while lending at same BLR, they are making even more money sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jan 25 2014, 02:39 PM)
Yes it didn't come down. That is all because BNM wants to maintain it by intervening the market. That is what the link is saying.

Whereas the FD rates has come down from 4.xx% to 3.xx%. Clearly indicating banks has too much money in the market. And the banks taking cheaper deposits while lending at same BLR, they are making even more money  sweat.gif
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as previous posting 3.6% set aside for bank operational cost. with profit margin of 0.6%. if they give BLR (6.6%) - 2.4% = 4.2%

make sense FD went down to 3.xx% as u said. we know low FD discourages savers. if they banks give u better FD rate. hence why banks must charge more for loans. there has to be a balance which BNM are to moderate. however stiff competition among banks are good too for consumers.

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post Jan 25 2014, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(toh2020 @ Jan 25 2014, 03:13 PM)
as previous posting 3.6% set aside for bank operational cost. with profit margin of 0.6%. if they give BLR (6.6%) - 2.4% = 4.2%

make sense FD went down to 3.xx% as u said. we know low FD discourages savers. if they banks give u better FD rate. hence why banks must charge more for loans. there has to be a balance which BNM are to moderate. however stiff competition among banks are good too for consumers.
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No lah. When FD at 4.xx%, housing loan is BLR - 2.xx%. Credit card loan at 18%pa. Car loan (new car) 2.x%-3.x%

Now FD at 3.xx%, housing loan still same rate. Credit card also same rate. Car loan also same rate. Bank's margin is larger

Now bank's loan affected by rulings. Inflation affect spending. Banks got excess money. BNM has to absorb the excess. That is what the link I provided is saying. So that BNM's OPR is maintained at ~3%. If BNM don't intervene and let market decide the rate, BLR should have come down. Along the way, banks make more money. That is what my friend's quote says.
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jan 25 2014, 03:28 PM)
No lah. When FD at 4.xx%, housing loan is BLR - 2.xx%. Credit card loan at 18%pa. Car loan (new car) 2.x%-3.x%

Now FD at 3.xx%, housing loan still same rate. Credit card also same rate. Car loan also same rate. Bank's margin is larger

Now bank's loan affected by rulings. Inflation affect spending. Banks got excess money. BNM has to absorb the excess. That is what the link I provided is saying. So that BNM's OPR is maintained at ~3%. If BNM don't intervene and let market decide the rate, BLR should have come down. Along the way, banks make more money. That is what my friend's quote says.
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the contribution factor are inflation. where goes with our purchasing power? even SG dollar fares better than ringgit. inefficient money management by our govt. always ask parliment supplementary budget and mismanagement. the growing national deficits we lose out paying interest to dev nation like japan for example.

the very high presence of foreigners/illegal aliens in our streets/city/town/factories. they work and take huge amount our monies out back home. so what can you say?

we cannot compare the past with current and future times. we can only look forward. entrust our hopes to ruling govt majority vote for betterment.

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post Jan 25 2014, 03:47 PM

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if u are into property buying. be always prepare for good and bad times. be alert always.

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