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zimhibikie
post Jan 27 2014, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Jan 27 2014, 01:47 AM)
for more tactical, send hornets as bait, while they're distracted by the hornets..scorpenes can easily fire torpedo on them..btw what is that china's heli? looks big..  hmm.gif
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QUOTE(LTZ @ Jan 27 2014, 09:34 AM)
We'll avoid any means of military action with China.... they are more more superior. We just show our presence to maintain soverignity while they show their presence to claim soverignity.
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true true..jgn dijolok sarang tebuan..

anyway maybe our country's ahlil nujum figures that China, not the US, will be the number 1 superpower in 10 years time
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post Jan 27 2014, 10:23 AM

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...should send PASKAL to the James shoal..station there...buat mcm pulau layang-layang...or hantar mig buat fly pass/buzz kat kapal tu kasi ajar sikit jangan senang2 masuk rumah orang..hhuhuhuhuhuu
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post Jan 27 2014, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(periuk_api1209 @ Jan 27 2014, 10:23 AM)
...should send PASKAL to the James shoal..station there...buat mcm pulau layang-layang...or hantar mig buat fly pass/buzz kat kapal tu kasi ajar sikit jangan senang2 masuk rumah orang..hhuhuhuhuhuu
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Shoal are not an island. Most of the time, James Shoal submerge under the water. Only surface few hour on super low tide.

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azriel
post Jan 27 2014, 10:52 AM

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100% price escalation on Rafale fighter aircraft to Rs 1.75 lakh crore likely to dent IAF's strike capability

Sunday, Jan 26, 2014, 7:02 IST | Place: New Delhi | Agency: DNA
Pradip R Sagar 
 
India’s biggest deal of procuring 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) for $18 billion (Rs90,000 crore) has hit rough weather. Two years after French aircraft maker Dassault Aviation bagged the deal for its Rafale fighter jets on account of being the lowest bidder, its cost has now shot up by 100 per cent.

In January 2012, when Rafale was declared the winner, its price was quoted between $60-65 million (Rs373-Rs400 crore). A top defence ministry official said the price of a fighter jet made by Dassault could now cost $120 million (Rs746 crore). The second bidder, Eurofighter, had quoted $80-85 million (Rs497-Rs528 crore).

The price hike would mean that the deal would cost India nothing less than $28-30 billion (Rs1.75 lakh crore-Rs1.86 lakh crore),” said an Indian Air Force (IAF) official, who is privy to discussions of the cost negotiation committee.

The defence ministry headed by AK Antony has developed cold feet after the cost doubled compared to the original estimate. With the general elections just months away, Antony is unsure about the fate of the deal, a defence ministry official said. “As the negotiations continue, the cost is spiralling out of hand. It is a major worry,” he said.

An IAF official said that in 2007, when the tender was floated, the cost of the programme was $12 billion (Rs42,000 crore). When the lowest bidder was declared in January 2012, the cost of the deal shot up to $18 billion (Rs90,000 crore).

Eighteen of the 126 planes will be purchased directly from Dassault, while Hindustan Aeronautics Limited will manufacture the other 108 under a licence, at an upcoming facility in Bangalore.

The IAF, which is fighting its depleting combat strength, was banking on Rafale as this was going to be the force’s leading fighter plane for the next four decades. “With chances of the MMRCA deal getting inked appearing dim, there seems to be no

solution to the immediate problem of shrinking squadron numbers as existing aircraft are forced into retirement,” said another IAF official.

The air force is seeking to replace its ageing MiG-21s with a modern fighter and MMRCA fits between India’s high-end Sukhoi-30MKIs and its low-end Tejas LCA lightweight fighter. The IAF has a sanctioned strength of 45 fighter jet squadrons. However, it only has 30 squadrons operational as old aircraft have been retired.


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post Jan 27 2014, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(pcboss00 @ Jan 27 2014, 10:27 AM)
Shoal are not an island. Most of the time, James Shoal submerge under the water. Only surface few hour on super low tide.
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..ya i know it a shoal...it doesn't stop us to to build Station Lima right??same like layang2...
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post Jan 27 2014, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(periuk_api1209 @ Jan 27 2014, 11:01 AM)
..ya i know it a shoal...it doesn't stop us to to build Station Lima right??same like layang2...
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22m underwater when sink. how many tons of granite or concrete you think we need to build a structure/shelter?
Station Lima is a coral atoll and above the sea level all the time.

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post Jan 27 2014, 11:17 AM

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Sunday, January 26, 2014

India's Arjun Mk.II Debuts At Republic Day 2014

The Arjun Mk.II main battle tank made its debut at India's 65th Republic Day Parade today. Incorporating over seventy improvements over the Arjun Mk.I, the improved variant is in a final phase (hopefully) of user trials, according to the DRDO. In a statement put out yesterday, the DRDO stated, "Arjun Mark II incorporates enhanced firepower with Automated Target Tracking and greater variety of ammunition including Gun-fired anti-tank missile and the devastating Thermobaric ammunition; enhanced protection that include Explosive Reactive Armor, Laser Warning come Countermeasure System, a Mine Plough, a Remotely operable Anti-Aircraft weapon, a Roof mounted driving seat; Advanced Land Navigation System and Enhanced night vision capabilities."


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post Jan 27 2014, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(LTZ @ Jan 27 2014, 09:34 AM)
We'll avoid any means of military action with China.... they are more more superior. We just show our presence to maintain soverignity while they show their presence to claim soverignity.
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i know..i know..just my strategy..lel..but if this dispute still not settle, then when will any of us (countries that claims sovereignity in the islands) going to explore the rich natural gas and petroleum in the spratlys? sad.gif
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Jan 27 2014, 12:05 PM)
i know..i know..just my strategy..lel..but if this dispute still not settle, then when will any of us (countries that claims sovereignity in the islands) going to explore the rich natural gas and petroleum in the spratlys?  sad.gif
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the best deal you can hope for is to cooperate with china and do joint venture.

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post Jan 27 2014, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(MAD GOD @ Jan 27 2014, 11:36 AM)
More like "PENGECUT" much.

WW3 in 2015 is 100% Guarantee !! I be ready.
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sapa cakap? john titor ke? tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif

we are taking a more pragmatic approach with China..they are our closet superpower and will overtake US in economy within a decade and military in 15 years..
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post Jan 27 2014, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(MAD GOD @ Jan 27 2014, 12:33 PM)
Even superpower need oil to run their engine of mass destruction. So now claiming the SEA waters .. what can Malaysia do ? Nak mintak duit royalty from China for taking their oil ?? Ada biji ke ?? Or just yak yak yak about maintaining their ketuanan melayu more than the region security itself.
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you arr really need to study a bit about international relations, dasar luar negara malaysia..
we will not provoke china and start a war, that's against our policy
we will continue to object china's breaching our sovereignty
befriend to China will be more benefiting than against them
even if the whole SEA joint forces, still can't outmatch the number in China's South Sea Fleet
imo, a cooperation should be created with China to explore the rich oil in spratlys via joint venture
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post Jan 27 2014, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(MAD GOD @ Jan 27 2014, 01:03 PM)
Heloooo ~~ REality check .. they already did breach our sovereignty. For China, Action is more powerful than words. Mana Bijan buat bising? Mana ATM ? Why did they not deploy our Navy just to see their Military at sea?
Is That million dollar Subs is just for show, nothing more.
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FYI, our scorpene always on duty in the area..watching very silently..
during ops daulat, china ships retreat from the area quickly after knowing scorpene is in the area..
which might explain why they brought 3 ASW helicopter now

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post Jan 27 2014, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Jan 27 2014, 12:20 PM)
sapa cakap? john titor ke?  tongue.gif  tongue.gif  tongue.gif

we are taking a more pragmatic approach with China..they are our closet superpower and will overtake US in economy within a decade and military in 15 years..
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What to say....military expert. Even we at mindef cant predict that... btw, we are not pengecut. Just to save everybody including publics. If war with China...its finish. Dont provoke...our action is based on self defense.
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post Jan 27 2014, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(MAD GOD @ Jan 27 2014, 01:03 PM)
Heloooo ~~ REality check .. they already did breach our sovereignty. For China, Action is more powerful than words. Mana Bijan buat bising? Mana ATM ? Why did they not deploy our Navy just to see their Military at sea?
Is That million dollar Subs is just for show, nothing more.
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Good judgement from keyboard warrior.... are u the one to be sent if crisis happen?? Who said no action from us?? Ops has been established there...but we still remain neutral. We know the disaster...we already simulate various scenarios in CBT thru JMAP. U know the result right...

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post Jan 27 2014, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(LTZ @ Jan 27 2014, 01:28 PM)
Good judgement from keyboard warrior.... are u the one to be sent if crisis happen?? Who said no action from us?? Ops has been established there...but we still remain neutral. We know the disaster...we already simulate various scenarios in CBT thru JMAP.  U know the result right...
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LTZ bro..navy ada arah hantar subs pegi scout kapal china tuh tak? smile.gif
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post Jan 27 2014, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Jan 27 2014, 01:34 PM)
LTZ bro..navy ada arah hantar subs pegi scout kapal china tuh tak?  smile.gif
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Dlm forum lain mentioned...kenapa baru sedar hal ni, nape x intercept awal2... jawapan dia, we have been shadowing their ships long2 time ago since their claim. We maintain our ships incl sub 24hrs within visual range. Nape tak intercept?? When u intercept u provoke them...our policy clear, neutral... maintain diplomacy. Act only self defense. This story baru discover la... benda dah lama. TLDM & TUDM know what to do.... ade plak org nk ajar ape nk buat. As usual mindef maintain silent all the time.
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post Jan 27 2014, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(MAD GOD @ Jan 27 2014, 01:39 PM)
When Sulu people go to Sabah .. got simulate they start war is it ? No .. kasih minum teh and kopi and proclaim them not a threat and terrorist. Last-last.. kena pakai jet to drop bomb, and call in battalionss of ATM on them cause cant handle the 300 Suluk Sparta who start the shooting first. 

Your simulation suck banana.
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Ok...understood ur deep knowledge in military.
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Jan 27 2014, 09:10 AM)
dun worry. Instead of taking a unified ASEAN stand against China's aggresive move into south china sea, Malaysia have decided to more 'China-friendly"..
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Realisticly, our options are very limited. ASEAN is a joke. and forming an ASEAN military alliance is as near to impossible as you can get. Asking the west for help mean's they will ask something of us in return, and most probably it'll be more then we can afford.
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QUOTE(LTZ @ Jan 27 2014, 01:44 PM)
Dlm forum lain mentioned...kenapa baru sedar hal ni, nape x intercept awal2... jawapan dia, we have been shadowing their ships long2 time ago since their claim. We maintain our ships incl sub 24hrs within visual range. Nape tak intercept?? When u intercept u provoke them...our policy clear, neutral... maintain diplomacy. Act only self defense. This story baru discover la... benda dah lama. TLDM & TUDM know what to do.... ade plak org nk ajar ape nk buat. As usual mindef maintain silent all the time.
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i knew it..our armed forces alredy act.. notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Jan 27 2014, 01:49 PM)
i knew it..our armed forces alredy act..  notworthy.gif
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But some forumer stupid enough by hoping us to sink PLAN ship by submarine.

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