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post Jul 3 2006, 08:40 PM, updated 20y ago

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Hi all, I want to what are the career paths that an IT graduate can go for.

Here's what I have in mind:

- Programmer / Developer
- Support / Helpdesk
- Sales
- Database Engineer
- Network Engineer
- Tester
- System Analyst

Feel free to suggest any other choices available and if what I stated above is not right, please let me know.

Thanks.
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go for auditor or accountant if u r good in account..
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If you have experience on business application (accountant), being a consultant on business application is another good choice as well.
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go for programmer is the foundation for IT .
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- Multimedia Content Author
- Web Author
- Animator
- Consultancy
- Media Production
- Game Design
- etc etc

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graduate
-> unemployed -> join gov retraining programme -> unemployed again
-> hired as IT officer, service everything that has a power plug on it
-> bored at work, dream to get rich someday
-> earned enough money to buy a land
-> quit job, work your land into a farm and become a farmer

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Yeah, unless you can get a CPA else it's still the same as working in IT line you still under cinapek boss tossing you around to be allrounder.
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QUOTE(rexis @ Jul 4 2006, 01:20 PM)
graduate
-> unemployed -> join gov retraining programme -> unemployed again
-> hired as IT officer, service everything that has a power plug on it
-> bored at work, dream to get rich someday
-> earned enough money to buy a land
-> quit job, work your land into a farm and become a farmer

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post Jul 4 2006, 04:11 PM

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Graduate --> Sys Admin --> Cus. Support Analyst
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QUOTE(Shinichi @ Jul 3 2006, 08:40 PM)
Hi all, I want to what are the career paths that an IT graduate can go for.

Here's what I have in mind:

- Programmer / Developer
- Support / Helpdesk
- Sales
- Database Engineer
- Network Engineer
- Tester
- System Analyst

Feel free to suggest any other choices available and if what I stated above is not right, please let me know.

Thanks.
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Normally ppl will start with programmer if they like programing else will choose to work as helpdesk.

For System analyst (I mean "real" system analyst), normally require you have few years of programmer/ developer experiences.


QUOTE(rexis @ Jul 4 2006, 12:20 PM)
graduate
-> unemployed -> join gov retraining programme -> unemployed again
-> hired as IT officer, service everything that has a power plug on it
-> bored at work, dream to get rich someday
-> earned enough money to buy a land
-> quit job, work your land into a farm and become a farmer

:/
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Yes, this is what an IT gradute usually will go thru.... except the last sentences... which is become a farmer biggrin.gif
Becoz, most of them will become sales person or run thier own business rclxm9.gif
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post Jul 5 2006, 12:24 PM

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U r lucky is 1st job is system analyst or network admin (i mean exactly the same with ur major)

Grad-->IT TECHNICAL SUPPORT
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post Jul 5 2006, 02:48 PM

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post Jul 5 2006, 05:32 PM

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Grad -> Analyst -> Consultant
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post Jul 5 2006, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(say_it @ Jul 5 2006, 09:54 AM)
Normally ppl will start with programmer if they like programing else will choose to work as helpdesk.
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Hi, then may I know what is the next path an IT helpdesk can do?

Thanks smile.gif
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QUOTE(Shinichi @ Jul 5 2006, 09:27 PM)
Hi, then may I know what is the next path an IT helpdesk can do?

Thanks smile.gif
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Normally ppl do not like to workin as IT helpdesk for thier whole life.... some of them will try to switch to networking, server admin and other hardware related job. But it is depends on your luck and what kind of IT helpdesk you are.

But I do see some of them still working as helpdesk after 5-6 years in call center biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(say_it @ Jul 6 2006, 01:41 PM)
Normally ppl do not like to workin as IT helpdesk for thier whole life.... some of them will try to switch to networking, server admin and other hardware related job. But it is depends on your luck and what kind of IT helpdesk you are.

But I do see some of them still working as helpdesk after 5-6 years in call center  biggrin.gif
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i from sys admin to it helpdesk
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they say IT == DEAD END...

"Abdul Rahman said the breakdown according to job sector showed ICT with the highest number of unemployed graduates with 3,942 (19.5%) yet to find jobs."

http://sun2surf.com/article.cfm?id=14660
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QUOTE(Mavik @ Jul 5 2006, 05:32 PM)
Grad -> Analyst -> Consultant
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What kinda consultant are you talking about here? smile.gif
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you can also work in the field that's not related to it. in the end, eexoerience does matters.
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post Jul 9 2006, 11:27 PM

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"mute" programmers -> sys analyst -> CTO if lucky
"talking" programmers- > sys analyst/business analyst -> consultants

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QUOTE(jing_kohkoh @ Jul 9 2006, 11:27 PM)
"mute" programmers -> sys analyst -> CTO if lucky
"talking" programmers- > sys analyst/business analyst -> consultants
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hmmm communications are really important for a programmer if they want to proceed to a better career path...
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post Jul 9 2006, 11:43 PM

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Sorry to tumpang your thread ya. How about Bachelor Of Information System (Hons) Communication and Networking? How about the job prospect in future? It easy to secure job in future?I need asap replies thanks
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Some helpdesk are highly paid, and easy job.

Programmer job, some work like hell until night ....paid not good.
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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Jul 9 2006, 11:43 PM)
Sorry to tumpang your thread ya. How about Bachelor Of Information System (Hons) Communication and Networking? How about the job prospect in future? It easy to secure job in future?I need asap replies thanks
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No matter you are BIT or BIS or BSc in CS all eating the same bowl of rice...
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QUOTE(rexis @ Jul 10 2006, 09:39 AM)
No matter you are BIT or BIS or BSc in CS all eating the same bowl of rice...
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Yup, I agree with rexis. As an IT graduate, I would say this .. things we have learned in college doesn't mean itz the same outside. It just provides us the foundation of knowledge. Be prepared to learn hard and work hard in order to gain more competent skills.

Choosing the right track is not easy. I have seen friends and college mates who took up IT courses just because it was the easiest course to attain a degree. But when they came out to work, they were not adequately prepared to deal with the demands of the job e.g. long hours, sit whole day, etc..

My advice ... look for what you want to do in the future .. say 10 years from now ... whether itz a technical or managerial position ... if you think you can proceed up to managerial, then learn more about business-related IT management ... else if you intend to focus on technical, then go for either hardware or software specialization.

Here's what my career path is like (7 years exp.) :

Grad --> Software Developer --> E-commerce consultant --> Team Lead --> Senior App Developer (otherwise known as One Leg Kick) rclxm9.gif


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Software developer is programming?
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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Jul 10 2006, 01:35 PM)
Software developer is programming?
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Imo programming is a subset of software developer. SW Developer can include programming, planning, design, testing and installation of the sw...

Correct me if im wrong...
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Icic under Computer Science isit?
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QUOTE(Shinichi @ Jul 10 2006, 04:26 PM)
Imo programming is a subset of software developer. SW Developer can include programming, planning, design, testing and installation of the sw...

Correct me if im wrong...
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If a company is well organised, you will see a distinct delegation of the above task to various resources.

Of course, most companies run in a way where the 'Consultant' or 'Executive' or 'Software Engineer' plays the role of:

- Programmer
- Database administrator
- Software Architect
- System Analyst
- Tester
- Documenter
- Coffee maker (at times)
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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Jul 10 2006, 08:12 PM)
Icic under Computer Science isit?
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Yup, I guess so. Maybe someone here who's know more than me can give you a better answer. I'm just a fresh grad anyway tongue.gif
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I think Programmer. thumbup.gif Because can do parttime(Developing System). $$$$$ whistling.gif
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please do remember that not only it graduates are programmers. my uncle, former accountant, become a software engineer in iris. yes, he has no it degree. he learn it all by himself.

maybe it graduates can work that's not related to it?
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QUOTE(sunbeams @ Jul 10 2006, 09:38 PM)
If a company is well organised, you will see a distinct delegation of the above task to various resources.

Of course, most companies run in a way where the 'Consultant' or 'Executive' or 'Software Engineer' plays the role of:

- Programmer
- Database administrator
- Software Architect
- System Analyst
- Tester
- Documenter
- Coffee maker (at times)
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In some of my previous companies, the work I had to do in one company encompass most of the job functions u see above (i make coffee for myself) drool.gif .. there's also 2 more left out ... consultant as well as trainer.

Basically, if you don't mind hard work n have the capacity to learn, then absorb all you can. But do remember not to overload yourself. Always choose a specialty which you can focus.

For myself, being a software developer (ya, itz programming) .. it has its ups and downs. Here are some of mine ..

Ups :
1) Sit in office whole day
2) Surf, check email and chat (when free)
3) Office environment allows more interaction with colleagues, promotes great social environment
4) Perks in finishing a project i.e. knowing you can actually finish a job from top to bottom rclxm9.gif

Downs :
1) Can be boring for some people and at certain times yawn.gif
2) Job demands and deadlines can be quite excessive at times
3) Working-social life balance

QUOTE(Shinichi @ Jul 10 2006, 09:41 PM)
Yup, I guess so. Maybe someone here who's know more than me can give you a better answer. I'm just a fresh grad anyway tongue.gif
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Well, I studied Comp Sci and then Bachelor of IT in my final year .. i don't see any difference except the specialization is more for IT (e.g. multimedia, e-commerce, graphics etc).

My specialization was in Multimedia but I ended up doing programming .. loved multimedia but not enough creativity blink.gif
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there is a niche market for graphic designer ..
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Quintessential and jasonlts,wanna ask u two what do u think of Bach Of IT (Hons) Communication and Network? The job prospect in future? I scare no job le
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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Jul 11 2006, 01:00 AM)
Quintessential and jasonlts,wanna ask u two what do u think of Bach Of IT (Hons) Communication and Network? The job prospect in future? I scare no job le
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as per course title, you can work in networking related jobs.i doubt that there's no more job left since alot of it graduates choose networking. if you're a patient man, you can choose others.
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Wa no job in future..Wat ur suggestion quessential
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QUOTE(bcteh @ Jul 10 2006, 09:02 AM)
Some helpdesk are highly paid, and easy job.

Programmer job, some work like hell until night ....paid not good.
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who said helpdesk easy job..... when they get scold mad.gif from user/customer that time you know it ? Almost everyday you know ?

you see they're highy paid bcoz of they can claim OT.

For programmer, if you choose a better company, you will treated better as you can't imagine.


QUOTE(jasonlts @ Jul 10 2006, 09:49 AM)
Yup, I agree with rexis. As an IT graduate, I would say this .. things we have learned in college doesn't mean itz the same outside. It just provides us the foundation of knowledge. Be prepared to learn hard and work hard in order to gain more competent skills.

Choosing the right track is not easy. I have seen friends and college mates who took up IT courses just because it was the easiest course to attain a degree. But when they came out to work, they were not adequately prepared to deal with the demands of the job e.g. long hours, sit whole day, etc..

My advice ... look for what you want to do in the future .. say 10 years from now ... whether itz a technical or managerial position ... if you think you can proceed up to managerial, then learn more about business-related IT management ... else if you intend to focus on technical, then go for either hardware or software specialization.

Here's what my career path is like (7 years exp.) :

Grad --> Software Developer --> E-commerce consultant --> Team Lead --> Senior App Developer (otherwise known as One Leg Kick)  rclxm9.gif
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I wonder why you move backward to become a App Dev after you're consultant.
My guess is Senior App Dev in some MNC having highly pay ??? rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(say_it @ Jul 11 2006, 04:18 PM)
who said helpdesk easy job..... when they get scold  mad.gif  from user/customer that time you know it ? Almost everyday you know ?

you see they're highy paid bcoz of they can claim OT.

For programmer, if you choose a better company, you will treated better as you can't imagine.
I wonder why you move backward to become a App Dev after you're consultant.
My guess is Senior App Dev in some MNC having highly pay ???  rolleyes.gif
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My guess is Senior App Dev in some MNC having highly pay ... RM6K - RM8K, normally. More than that should be system analyst.
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QUOTE(cyberlearner @ Jul 11 2006, 04:26 PM)
My guess is Senior App Dev in some MNC having highly pay ... RM6K - RM8K, normally.  More than that should be system analyst.
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hahah mean my guess is correct. biggrin.gif
But some of the senior SA only have Rm8k and senior App Dev even lower like 4-6k.

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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Jul 11 2006, 04:07 PM)
Wa no job in future..Wat ur suggestion quessential
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If you worried about getting a job, do an accounting and get ACCA. Yeah rite, theres a lot of people taking accountings but as long as people didnt stop their business, theres always a market place for accountants.

Even thou we say job market for IT cert is limited but imagine, almost all companies is depending on an IT business to run their business, they surely require a horde of IT workforce to run and maintain it. Theres a market value for IT grads, just that you have to freaking know some practical thing. Consider taking some CCNA, MCSE, or even a master to give you the cutting edge.

When you doing the same thing most people also doing, expect competition.
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DO NOT CHOOSE PROGRAMMER/SOFTWARE DEVELOPER if you arent interested in programming, thinking logics, repeating doing the same thing, chasing new technologies.

This is an easy job for ppl who like these and hell difficult for ppl who dont like them. Unlike account/business, once you graduate, you sleep for 10 years, then u go back to work, u still manage to work and understand what you are doing. If you are a programmer / SD, you are totally outdated. You always have to keep yourself with new technologies, learning new skills, ideas, logic, etc since technology is changing very rapidly. You cant just work, you will be outdated as well, you have to work and spend time learn by your own. If you arent interested in these fields, trust me, you wont learn by yourown after years of working. Unless you change to system analysis or project manager which do even more logic, experience, thinking and planning.

FYI, computer just has the like 10-20 years of history, think how fast technology is evolving, I have been a programmer for 5-6 years, yes, i like programming, and I like technologies, anyway I feel a bit tired chasing technologies. I have the knowledge of Barcode, RFID, fingerprint, CCTV, PLC, SMS, GPRS, GPS, Smartcard, MyKad, etc, imaging i still want to learn AI, image reconition, DirectX, etc, etc, etc.
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heloo all...
intro a bit about me..i also graduated from IT fields.
Can i have opinion from u all about how u all view for the IT field. What i mean is will it become commend until everyperson also will know to program themselve and without any advice from the IT expert.
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http://www.utar.edu.my/v2/portal/pdf/courses/CN.pdf How about this? Care to give your opinion? Hope all the sifu can give some advice and opinion about the syllabus
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QUOTE(jj_yes_2004 @ Jul 11 2006, 05:09 PM)
heloo all...
intro a bit about me..i also graduated from IT fields.
Can i have opinion from u all about how u all view for the IT field. What i mean is will it become commend until everyperson also will know to program themselve and without any advice from the IT expert.
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It won't be like that, for example like there is book or course for hair cut.. but you will never go n get those course n learn to cut ur hair all by urself... as u know u r not expert in it ...

QUOTE(nightzstar @ Jul 11 2006, 05:16 PM)
http://www.utar.edu.my/v2/portal/pdf/courses/CN.pdf How about this? Care to give your opinion? Hope all the sifu can give some advice and opinion about the syllabus
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becareful, sometime those 3 years course we wont get even a single diploma cert if you didnt complete 3 years..

read the link, 1st year is very basic for computing student.
2nd & 3rd year go in deeper on networking.
Actually this course is quite good, really majorin in networking.... not like others mix all those stuff together. By the way, in IT industry it didnt assess your cert or wat your're majoring during ur Uni time.... they just want the skill..... smile.gif
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Icic..thks for your opinion? What skill? Do you mean like CCNA and CCNP or rather the experience? No chance for fresh grad?
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[quote=say_it,Jul 11 2006, 05:38 PM]
It won't be like that, for example like there is book or course for hair cut.. but you will never go n get those course n learn to cut ur hair all by urself... as u know u r not expert in it ...

hm...i quite agree with u...but some how maybe one day it will become so popular and until like "take a bath". At that time, every people will need to learn about it...
just single opinion ...nvm..
but the problem what i facing is..just worrying about whether IT field still have how long lifespan. :-|

so wish all the people here give me and share ur opinion especially who already work in the IT field for quite a long time. Thanks a lot.
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it graduates work as it personnel? there's many other options, like marketing, sales, advertising etcetc.
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dear fresh grad.. there are a lot of vacancies in IT/Comp Sci field rite now.. the secret is that ur cgpa must at least above 3.00 to get shortlisted... and dare to challange urself.. fast learner.. self starter.. confident... don't worry.. training will be provided.. at least on job training..
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Let say i take Comm and Network course at Utar and start from three year ahead i will be graduated which is 2008. Will there be a chance for fresh grad?
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I am a BIT graduate with an "useless" MCSE cert working as a so-called web developer.. wanted to dive into technical line (eg. technical support, networking and not programming.. dislike programming but has programming background) but then went to a few interviews and most of them said prefer guys than girls.. so, ended up in what i'm doing now. kinda enjoy but then not sure about the future prospects in this field. anyone care to enlighten me?

my current comp is giving less than RM1.5K. not that i really care about the pay but since the petrol rise + parking + expenses for working in KL.. couldn't help it.. tongue.gif
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Aiyah.... If you all so concern... go and work as a debt collector (Tai Yee Long)... Market bonus per full collection is 3% of the amount... Do the legal one.. Sure rich fast fast..
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QUOTE(say_it @ Jul 11 2006, 04:41 PM)
hahah mean my guess is correct. biggrin.gif
But some of the senior SA only have Rm8k and senior App Dev even lower like 4-6k.
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Haha .. the guess is on half correct ... pay is higher but not by a lot and certainly not at the range 6 - 8k. The fun part is the flexibility and the more knowledge.

I was from mostly at development front-lines most of the time till the current company where I support enterprise applications. A different environment altogether blink.gif
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If you strong in programming, you should start programming as your basic stand first. You know well in programming, learn basic common thing like, Windows, Linux cmd and SQL Database. After you learn this, you may start your own business because you are pro in many field
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Programming is the basic for IT grad yeah?
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QUOTE(ywyoon @ Jul 12 2006, 12:18 PM)
If you strong in programming, you should start programming as your basic stand first. You know well in programming, learn basic common thing like, Windows, Linux cmd and SQL Database. After you learn this, you may start your own business because you are pro in many field
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how to say that??? Mean want to know what kind of knowledge of Window XP??? can give example??
It is that easy to start a business???now IT field full of competitors already...

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post Jul 12 2006, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Jul 12 2006, 12:25 AM)
Let say i take Comm and Network course at Utar and start from three year ahead i will be graduated which is 2008. Will there be a chance for fresh grad?
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yes.. but cgpa at least 2nd class upper to get shotlisted in order to get the 'real' job.
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post Jul 12 2006, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Jul 12 2006, 12:43 PM)
Programming is the basic for IT grad yeah?
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not really.. it about hands on experience... fyp.. industrial training.. knowledge of current technology..
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post Jul 13 2006, 07:15 PM

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Icic..So me also need to know how to do programming?
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post Jul 13 2006, 07:36 PM

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QUOTE(ringgostar @ Jul 12 2006, 11:07 PM)
yes.. but cgpa at least 2nd class upper to get shotlisted in order to get the 'real' job.
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does that mean 2nd lower class ppl like myself can go eat myself d ? btw i m good in programin but other subj shakehead.gif

haf gone thru several interview but cry.gif no luck. plan to apply semicon bt most likely wont get it. but it doesnt hurt to try.
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post Jul 13 2006, 08:13 PM

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Jenhuei u are com science grad from utar? Utar don't have internship?
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post Jul 13 2006, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Jul 13 2006, 08:13 PM)
Jenhuei u are com science grad from utar? Utar don't have internship?
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they did haf plenty but i wanted to try other. somehow i m attracted to semicon industry. at least is not like programin 24/7. mayb once in a while do other R&D stuff would b very nice.

how did u found out i m from utar? notworthy.gif

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post Jul 14 2006, 01:00 AM

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QUOTE(jenhuei @ Jul 13 2006, 09:37 PM)
they did haf plenty  but i wanted to try other. somehow i m attracted to semicon industry. at least is not like programin 24/7. mayb once in a while do other R&D stuff would b very nice.

how did u found out i m from utar?  notworthy.gif
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From your earlier post, erm can i know which company have internship with Utar in Bachelor Of IT (Hons) Communication and Network? I have emailed them last week till now haven't got the answer yet. Oh I see, you like to work in semiconductor yeah? Why don't gain abit experience in smaller companies and hop to semiconductor when u have the sufficient experience.

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