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ar188
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Jan 4 2014, 10:30 PM
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QUOTE(kob3bryant @ Jan 4 2014, 10:26 PM) in front collision, your engine not supposed to fly anywhere..
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kob3bryant
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Jan 4 2014, 10:30 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:26 PM) if you slide your drawer out from the cupboard, means u detached the drawer? obviously during accident, the front end of the car body is deformed along with the engine mounting in the way that the engine moves into the transmission zone la..  drawer is meant to be slide for day to day operating purpose......
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desmond2020
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Jan 4 2014, 10:30 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:26 PM) if you slide your drawer out from the cupboard, means u detached the drawer? obviously during accident, the front end of the car body is deformed along with the engine mounting in the way that the engine moves into the transmission zone la..  so engine must detach from its mounting for this to happen right?
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ar188
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Jan 4 2014, 10:32 PM
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:30 PM) so engine must detach from its mounting for this to happen right? no.. the front folding crumple zone lump of metal along with engine mounting will hold it all together..
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mengsuan
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Jan 4 2014, 10:34 PM
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9W2NNS
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:24 PM) no safety organization recommends that engine detached out of the car body during an accident as being a safe design rule.. pls show me the white paper if you say so. We do not have first hand observation of the collision, there's not much to tell about this engine on the road. Your concern about disconnected engine is valid, you have passion in transportation safety, you can publish a written paper about your theory so that vehicle manufacturer and safety organization can further improve road safety. I wouldn't stop you as it benefits all, otherwise we are just keyboard warriors, and trolls like this kind of posts. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_it_likely_tha..._break?#slide=2Answer: Yes This post has been edited by mengsuan: Jan 4 2014, 10:37 PM
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ar188
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Jan 4 2014, 10:35 PM
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QUOTE(kob3bryant @ Jan 4 2014, 10:30 PM) drawer is meant to be slide for day to day operating purpose...... aiyoh.. use abit of imagination can or not? engine mounting and front chassis will deform la.. while guiding the heavy mass under the floorpan.. why need to break into 2?? metal can deform wan ma.. must break off cleanly wan meh??
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dares
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Jan 4 2014, 10:35 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:22 PM) yes, dats why i say detach is not a good thing. slide under the transmission tunnel, sure..that';s ideal... still contained within the vehicle. The engine mount collapse, the engine went under the car..... THEN THE CAR ROLLED OVER, leaving the engine behind which slide/roll/bounce along on it's own momentum. Can you imagine if the car rolling and the engine still attached, flip-flopping like a dead fish on the undercarriage. Is that so hard to imagine? Engine detach feature itself might not be a standard NCAP testing criteria, but it helps reduce cabin intrusion and contributes to the rating indirectly. This post has been edited by dares: Jan 4 2014, 10:36 PM
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kob3bryant
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Jan 4 2014, 10:36 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:35 PM) aiyoh.. use abit of imagination can or not? engine mounting and front chassis will deform la.. while guiding the heavy mass under the floorpan.. why need to break into 2?? metal can deform wan ma.. must break off cleanly wan meh?? not i can't imagine, but it must be something similar. QUOTE(dares @ Jan 4 2014, 10:35 PM) The engine mount collapse, the engine went under the car..... THEN THE CAR ROLLED OVER, leaving the engine behind which slide/roll/bounce along on it's own momentum. Is that so hard to imagine? Engine detach feature itself might not be a standard NCAP testing criteria, but it helps reduce cabin intrusion and contributes to the rating indirectly.  this one!
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ar188
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Jan 4 2014, 10:37 PM
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QUOTE(dares @ Jan 4 2014, 10:35 PM) The engine mount collapse, the engine went under the car..... THEN THE CAR ROLLED OVER, leaving the engine behind which slide/roll/bounce along on it's own momentum. Is that so hard to imagine? Engine detach feature itself might not be a standard NCAP testing criteria, but it helps reduce cabin intrusion and contributes to the rating indirectly.what contribute? then show me photo proof which 5 star NCAP front collision test came with engine drop out of the engine bay?
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dares
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Jan 4 2014, 10:45 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:37 PM) what contribute? then show me photo proof which 5 star NCAP front collision test came with engine drop out of the engine bay? Many have already posted comments and links to manufacturer's website citing it to be a deliberate safety design. Perhaps Volvo and Subaru should consult you instead.
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kurangak
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Jan 4 2014, 10:46 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:37 PM) what contribute? then show me photo proof which 5 star NCAP front collision test came with engine drop out of the engine bay? NCAP only for under normal condition la bro if ure driving in high speed, accident n fly/rolled over couple of times, anything can happen.
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nuekkacak
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Jan 4 2014, 10:47 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:37 PM) what contribute? then show me photo proof which 5 star NCAP front collision test came with engine drop out of the engine bay? Still burning butthurt
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ar188
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Jan 4 2014, 10:48 PM
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QUOTE(kurangak @ Jan 4 2014, 10:46 PM) NCAP only for under normal condition la bro if ure driving in high speed, a ccident n fly/rolled over couple of times, anything can happen. that is true la.. but dont go say engine detach is a safety feature.. you u go airborne anything goes liao.
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ramboramsey
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Jan 4 2014, 10:48 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 11:37 PM) what contribute? then show me photo proof which 5 star NCAP front collision test came with engine drop out of the engine bay? Have you done one before at Idiada? Appreciate if you could attach your report as well
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ar188
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Jan 4 2014, 10:50 PM
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QUOTE(ramboramsey @ Jan 4 2014, 10:48 PM) Have you done one before at Idiada? Appreciate if you could attach your report as well well if they have the guidelines for engine detach gaining more points, then it would be easy to show right? This post has been edited by ar188: Jan 4 2014, 10:50 PM
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CoffeeDude
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Jan 4 2014, 10:50 PM
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Actually the engine should absorb some of the impact and then burst into small pieces. But in this case the engine ran away for it own life.
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ar188
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Jan 4 2014, 10:52 PM
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QUOTE(CoffeeDude @ Jan 4 2014, 10:50 PM) Actually the engine should absorb some of the impact and then burst into small pieces. But in this case the engine ran away for it own life.  exactly.. the engine is the barrier between the cabin and the bekside of the other car.. if no engine there.. the drive would have makan the bekside of the other car..
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dares
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Jan 4 2014, 10:52 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:50 PM) well if they have the guidelines for engine detach gaining more points, then it would be easy to show right? Already said it indirectly reduces cabin intrusion liao....there is no NCAP guidelines that say "engine must detached", more like "cabin intrusion must be minimized" or something to that effect, regardless of what method is employed.
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dares
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Jan 4 2014, 10:53 PM
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QUOTE(CoffeeDude @ Jan 4 2014, 10:50 PM) Actually the engine should absorb some of the impact and then burst into small pieces. But in this case the engine ran away for it own life.  fckin coward campro
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faridr
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Jan 4 2014, 10:54 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:14 PM) you do know "slide under" means the engine/transmission is still held to the chassis right? when the tow truck comes, you dont have to pick the gearbox and engine few hundred feet away.. detach means come loose away from the car.. The Subaru Boxer engine contributes to safety, because it allows more crush room in front impacts. Subaru vehicles are designed to allow the entire powertrain to slide under the car along the floor tunnel in a severe collision, helping to prevent intrusion into the passenger compartment.Yeah, maybe i misuse the detach word. But it suppose to slide under the car chassis. Maybe because the car going too fast
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