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ar188
post Jan 4 2014, 06:39 PM

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QUOTE(faridr @ Jan 4 2014, 04:52 PM)
Its a safety design requirement that the engine must detach from body at during high speed impact to minimize injury. Volvo has been using this safety design for sometimes.

The reason why preve get a good safety rating.
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err.. no logic.. engine detach and fly 100feet whack other road users is safety feature??

it should stay in engine bay.. and not intrude into cabin la.. who teach you such things wan?? how many star if engine can fly out during NCAP testing? laugh.gif
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post Jan 4 2014, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Jan 4 2014, 05:36 PM)
u guys really dont know that when frontal accident the engine will drop so it will crush in and kill the passenger inside.
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go watch more NCAP videos la.. where got engine fly out wan???!! where got engine go inside the car seat???!!
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post Jan 4 2014, 06:52 PM

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QUOTE(razkal @ Jan 4 2014, 06:48 PM)
http://jalopnik.com/5907068/this-shelby-gt...hit-another-car

Utilizing Ford's newest ejection technology, the front end of the car separated from the rest of the Shelby. The Acura RSX trailing behind then collided with the supercharged powerplant and punted it down the road.
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The big V8 was then struck by an Acura causing another accident.

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post Jan 4 2014, 06:57 PM

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QUOTE(razkal @ Jan 4 2014, 06:53 PM)
Even ford cannot do it. Apa lagi proton lol. Both also fail la.
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obviously detaching engine is not a safety feature..

if detach also, supposed to break up in small chunks.. no hurl a 200KG mass at other road users like bowling ball.. biggrin.gif
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post Jan 4 2014, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(faridr @ Jan 4 2014, 09:51 PM)
Well... its suppose to detach and slide through under the car. The fly part is well... something unexpected, maybe because it just way to fast.

And no, engine should not stay in bay during high speed frontal accident. Engine is never designed to be part of crumple zone. Its a big and heavy metal block, and would raise the impact because of sudden stop.

And take a look on mercedes sandwich platform, and volvo philosophy design behind transverse engine. I think it was volvo who came out with the engine detach idea. I could be wrong though.
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dont be foolish and say it better for 200kg engine to fly around away from car la.. wtf logic is that?

you know detach means come loose from car right? show me which NCAP test proof that engine detach means high ratings?
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post Jan 4 2014, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jan 4 2014, 09:57 PM)
The driver survive crash while speeding at 160 km/hr and you want to argue about flying engine block?
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i;'m more concern the flying engine block dont come hurling down toward my lane..
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post Jan 4 2014, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(faridr @ Jan 4 2014, 10:08 PM)
As i said.... it suppose to slide under the car, maybe my bad for over-using detach keyword : sweat.gif , and the test is done under speed of 80km/h (64km/h according to euro ncap)
and the preve is going 160, so again, go figure.

http://www.euroncap.com/tests/frontimpact.aspx

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/2008...ap-ar35634.html

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you do know "slide under" means the engine/transmission is still held to the chassis right? when the tow truck comes, you dont have to pick the gearbox and engine few hundred feet away.. biggrin.gif

detach means come loose away from the car..

The Subaru Boxer engine contributes to safety, because it allows more crush room in front impacts. Subaru vehicles are designed to allow the entire powertrain to slide under the car along the floor tunnel in a severe collision, helping to prevent intrusion into the passenger compartment.
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post Jan 4 2014, 10:16 PM

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QUOTE(mengsuan @ Jan 4 2014, 10:13 PM)
Hard to avoid having collateral damage, most importantly is human safety. Even without the engine, there will be a lot of collision debris that you have to avoid/bear if you're nearby.

Even a small object like fallen helmet after a collision, can cause bad damage to near by cars, but no one thinks that helmet should not be allowed right?
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you do know a car's damage hitting a helmet or even a tire is different from hitting a gearbox and engine right?
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post Jan 4 2014, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:16 PM)
detach
dɪˈtat�/
verb
1.
disengage (something or part of something) and remove it.
"he detached the front lamp from its bracket"
synonyms: unfasten, disconnect, disengage, part, separate, uncouple, remove, loose, loosen, untie, unhitch, undo, unhook, unbutton, unzip, free, sever, pull off, cut off, clip off, hack off, chop off, prune off, nip off, tear off, break off, strip off, disunite; More
antonyms: attach
be easily removable.
"the screen detaches from the keyboard"
2.
leave or separate oneself from (a group or place).
"a figure in brown detached itself from the shadows"
synonyms: free, separate, segregate; More
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yes, dats why i say detach is not a good thing. slide under the transmission tunnel, sure..that';s ideal... still contained within the vehicle.


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post Jan 4 2014, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(mengsuan @ Jan 4 2014, 10:22 PM)
Let's say you have a better idea of safety, may you please consider to take part and contribute to transportation safety. Can join Proton or the other transportation safety organization.

Otherwise let's just say current compromise has been the best choice until a smarter man solves the problem.
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no safety organization recommends that engine detached out of the car body during an accident as being a safe design rule.. pls show me the white paper if you say so.
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post Jan 4 2014, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:23 PM)
Bro, if not detach how to slide under the car floor?
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if you slide your drawer out from the cupboard, means u detached the drawer?

obviously during accident, the front end of the car body is deformed along with the engine mounting in the way that the engine moves into the transmission zone la.. doh.gif
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post Jan 4 2014, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(kob3bryant @ Jan 4 2014, 10:26 PM)
do you seriously think that the engine flew away from the car? and not the other way round? Eg, accident happened, engine dropped, but the vehicle is just too fast and leave its heart. could it be this way? because when you have front impact crash, i dont think the momentum will cause the engine to fly forwards instead of backward.  hmm.gif  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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in front collision, your engine not supposed to fly anywhere..
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post Jan 4 2014, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:30 PM)
so engine must detach from its mounting for this to happen right?
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no.. the front folding crumple zone lump of metal along with engine mounting will hold it all together..
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post Jan 4 2014, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(kob3bryant @ Jan 4 2014, 10:30 PM)
drawer is meant to be slide for day to day operating purpose......
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aiyoh.. use abit of imagination can or not? engine mounting and front chassis will deform la.. while guiding the heavy mass under the floorpan.. why need to break into 2?? metal can deform wan ma.. must break off cleanly wan meh??


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post Jan 4 2014, 10:37 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jan 4 2014, 10:35 PM)
The engine mount collapse, the engine went under the car.....THEN THE CAR ROLLED OVER, leaving the engine behind which slide/roll/bounce along on it's own momentum.

Is that so hard to imagine?

Engine detach feature itself might not be a standard NCAP testing criteria, but it helps reduce cabin intrusion and contributes to the rating indirectly.
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what contribute? then show me photo proof which 5 star NCAP front collision test came with engine drop out of the engine bay?
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post Jan 4 2014, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(kurangak @ Jan 4 2014, 10:46 PM)
NCAP only for under normal condition la bro

if ure driving in high speed, accident n fly/rolled over couple of times, anything can happen.
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that is true la.. but dont go say engine detach is a safety feature.. you u go airborne anything goes liao.
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QUOTE(ramboramsey @ Jan 4 2014, 10:48 PM)
Have you done one before at Idiada? Appreciate if you could attach your report as well
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well if they have the guidelines for engine detach gaining more points, then it would be easy to show right?

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post Jan 4 2014, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(CoffeeDude @ Jan 4 2014, 10:50 PM)
Actually the engine should absorb some of the impact and then burst into small pieces.

But in this case the engine ran away for it own life. shakehead.gif
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exactly..

the engine is the barrier between the cabin and the bekside of the other car.. if no engine there.. the drive would have makan the bekside of the other car..
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QUOTE(dares @ Jan 4 2014, 10:52 PM)
Already said it indirectly reduces cabin intrusion liao....there is no NCAP guidelines that say "engine must detached", more like "cabin intrusion must be minimized" or something to that effect, regardless of what method is employed.
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but the engine still needs to be in the engine bay..

you do know without the engine.. there is nothing there to slow the collision except the front 2 beam to hold the suspension.. and the bumper cross beam right?
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post Jan 4 2014, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(Jack^ @ Jan 4 2014, 10:56 PM)
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Engine mounting and energy absorbing frame for a motor vehicle
US 3869017 A
http://www.google.com/patents/US3869017

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#3-Breakaway Motor Mounts-These mounts attach the engine to the frame of the car. They're not noticeable, but the life saving impact is huge. In a front impact collision, they're specifically designed to break the engine away from the frame and with the forward motion, will make the engine slide underneath the car at a 45 degree angle. Making it less likely to have an engine sitting in your lap when the crash comes to a halt.
Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/1073393

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http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_a_Volvo_..._mount?#slide=1
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engine mount breaks and engine ends up at 45degrees angle under the transmission tunnel..
but not engine leaves the vehicle!! biggrin.gif

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