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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL & FLX Thread V57, Nothing to see here...

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ruby1288
post Jan 22 2014, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(wanfauzan @ Jan 22 2014, 11:31 AM)
thats the price you need to pay for comfort. hehe. anyway, tayar tak botak lagi sudah mengandung. need to change also
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might as well change to 13", profile 70. . problem settled sleep.gif
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post Jan 22 2014, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(Maxwell6635 @ Jan 22 2014, 12:30 PM)
doh.gif  doh.gif DONT DRAG ME INTO WATER  cry.gif
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sudah la. .
u kan sudah femous LYN Gaga Club Penjual Buntut ? sleep.gif
Gorilla u kasi free, lain lain kena bayar dry.gif

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post Jan 22 2014, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(ruby1288 @ Jan 22 2014, 12:36 PM)
sudah la. .
u kan sudah femous LYN Gaga Club Penjual Buntut ?  sleep.gif
Gorilla u kasi free, lain lain kena bayar  dry.gif
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brows.gif Macam u pernah pong chan mia. laugh.gif
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post Jan 22 2014, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ Jan 22 2014, 12:39 PM)
brows.gif Macam u pernah pong chan mia. laugh.gif
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sudah cakap sudah femous lor, tak payah pong chan pun sudah tau icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Jan 22 2014, 12:52 PM

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Also want to share something, I get hold of the OBD reader before I went to Ipok.
And some interesting facts that I found which I didn't know about the CBT.
On NS Haiway, on hilly slopes, from straight road u enter the hilly slopes, say 100 kph.
I can see cars (non saga) that previously maintain same car-to-car distance to me suddenly slowed down. << normal la
But my car still maintain 100kph without me stepping more on pedal.
Dashcommand showed that both the torque and fuel flow rate increases but rpm more or less stayed around the region (maybe +100-200 rpm only).
When the road goes back to straight, torque and fuel flow rate decreases, again no changes on foot force on pedal.

Be for any normal 4AT car, I would need to step more gas and force the auto tranny to drop gear and get the speed up again. .
When its up to the speed I want, it will shift up and give me the slumber vrooom again.

Impressive CBT nod.gif
Trully experienced the claim of CBT being able to deliver the required torque over wide band of speed rclxms.gif
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post Jan 22 2014, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(Maxwell6635 @ Jan 22 2014, 12:30 PM)
doh.gif  doh.gif DONT DRAG ME INTO WATER  cry.gif
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coz biasa drag u as u always FFK except for gorilla

QUOTE(Fubar20 @ Jan 22 2014, 12:32 PM)
dry.gif Tipu mia shapeshifter. Raba peha mah. mad.gif
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apa tu?

QUOTE(ruby1288 @ Jan 22 2014, 12:52 PM)
Also want to share something, I get hold of the OBD reader before I went to Ipok.
And some interesting facts that I found which I didn't know about the CBT.
On NS Haiway, on hilly slopes, from straight road u enter the hilly slopes, say 100 kph.
I can see cars (non saga) that previously maintain same car-to-car distance to me suddenly slowed down. << normal la
But my car still maintain 100kph without me stepping more on pedal.
Dashcommand showed that both the torque and fuel flow rate increases but rpm more or less stayed around the region (maybe +100-200 rpm only).
When the road goes back to straight, torque and fuel flow rate decreases, again no changes on foot force on pedal.

Be for any normal 4AT car, I would need to step more gas and force the auto tranny to drop gear and get the speed up again. .
When its up to the speed I want, it will shift up and give me the slumber vrooom again.

Impressive CBT  nod.gif
Trully experienced the claim of CBT being able to deliver the required torque over wide band of speed  rclxms.gif
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4AT, on hill slope, if u maintain ur pedal position fuel flow rate decrease... so juz drop gear to increase up the fuel flow, abit clumsy for AT to drop gear in D except u know how to tap to drop gear...


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post Jan 22 2014, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(ruby1288 @ Jan 22 2014, 12:40 PM)
sudah cakap sudah femous lor, tak payah pong chan pun sudah tau  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Even famous I dunno wo. whistling.gif

QUOTE(r3apers @ Jan 22 2014, 12:57 PM)
apa tu?
4AT, on hill slope, if u maintain ur pedal position fuel flow rate decrease... so juz drop gear to increase up the fuel flow, abit clumsy for AT to drop gear in D except u know how to tap to drop gear...
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Kuciwolfcobra. ph34r.gif
blink.gif Drop gear wil increase fuel flow? Yau mou? rclxub.gif
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post Jan 22 2014, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ Jan 22 2014, 01:02 PM)
Even famous I dunno wo.  whistling.gif
Kuciwolfcobra. ph34r.gif
blink.gif Drop gear wil increase fuel flow? Yau mou?  rclxub.gif
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yap, it increase rather decrease... let say on hill slope in D and 80cc/min thn drop gear to 3rd it will increase to 90-100cc/min.. even on straight road road u drop gear also increase the cc/min..
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post Jan 22 2014, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(r3apers @ Jan 22 2014, 01:05 PM)
yap, it increase rather decrease... let say on hill slope in D and 80cc/min thn drop gear to 3rd it will increase to 90-100cc/min.. even on straight road road u drop gear also increase the cc/min..
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hmm.gif Like that the fuel rate is variable at different gear setting? Need to dig out Torque again.
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post Jan 22 2014, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ Jan 22 2014, 01:08 PM)
hmm.gif Like that the fuel rate is variable at different gear setting? Need to dig out Torque again.
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Should be, as maybe different ecu different setting hard to say. But i had notice few times about it. Thts why on hill i juz stick on 3rd gear only.
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post Jan 22 2014, 01:17 PM

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Sorry... I tried to check my mum Saga FLX gear fluid... I could not locate the dipstick... Where is it??
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post Jan 22 2014, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ Jan 22 2014, 11:59 AM)
ohmy.gif IMPOSSIBRU! Chew Ah Beng not the cheap geh.  brows.gif
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QUOTE(r3apers @ Jan 22 2014, 12:06 PM)
as wat the gajah said...
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then treat him a girl for a night. he get girl r3aper get car. laugh.gif
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post Jan 22 2014, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(wanfauzan @ Jan 22 2014, 10:36 AM)
I use flx se, m5 50 at front, falken 912 50 at back. Using B road from Kuala Terengganu to Pasir Gudang. Road condition so so, but still ok. I use 25 psi front and back.
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dun use different tyres for front and back. while it may be a cheaper alternative to change 2 tyres at one time, both the front tyres will react differently when faced with e braking, hard corner, water ponding etc. and if they react wrongly, the consequences will be quite bad.

air pressure 25 p.s.i. for front and back too damn low. you causing the tyre wall to over flex causing overheating to the tyres and excessive wear.

try above 30 p.s.i. and rotate tyres front and back every 10k kms. anyway the Falken 912s got special wear indicators to tell you when to rotate tyres. only exclusive to Falken tyres.
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post Jan 22 2014, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(r3apers @ Jan 22 2014, 01:15 PM)
Should be, as maybe different ecu different setting hard to say. But i had notice few times about it. Thts why on hill i juz stick on 3rd gear only.
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blush.gif OK. Dig dig understand liao since it is the ECU which controls the fuel rate and not the pedal.

QUOTE(wkwong91 @ Jan 22 2014, 01:26 PM)
then treat him a girl for a night. he get girl r3aper get car.  laugh.gif
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doh.gif Later 2JayZ will cucuk him out. Unless r3apers offer his butt lo. whistling.gif
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post Jan 22 2014, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(wkwong91 @ Jan 22 2014, 01:26 PM)
then treat him a girl for a night. he get girl r3aper get car.  laugh.gif
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I offer him girl maxwell. whistling.gif
QUOTE(Fubar20 @ Jan 22 2014, 01:28 PM)
blush.gif OK. Dig dig understand liao since it is the ECU which controls the fuel rate and not  the pedal.
doh.gif Later 2JayZ will cucuk him out. Unless r3apers offer his butt lo.  whistling.gif
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Yes, so 1st thing i c is cc/min thn only pedal position. So i can roughly gauge the pedal position which can supply on how many cc/min it flow with the same road as different road condition will make u tap differently so cc/min also different max i reach b4 is nearly 300cc/min.

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post Jan 22 2014, 01:58 PM

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Today don't know why feel very emo with the gaga...This morning woke up before go to work I stop to look at the gaga that sits quietly among the other cars. 1st glance among all she's the most petite in the family and the most discreet looking one but I somehow feel happy and proud to have it joining the family. Although she's only turning 2 years old this coming April (same month as my daughter was born) I felt like I have her with me for a very long time. Most people who are very shallow/brand minded will look down on her but for me not. Is just that no one bother or care to look what's underneath the skin or in this case the brand or badge. That's why I always like the phrase "Don't judge a book by it's cover" or "ada udang di sebalik batu"

In honesty, she's the 4th car which I can say who have most of my touches, the others are less in compare. That's why I feel very attached to it just like the 3 cars. She let me see a lot of things that was not seen previously and I learned a lot from her. Every time, I get into the driver seat I feel very exited with our next driving adventure. Every tarmac she rolled over, every growl from her, every vibration, every movement she made it felt very sensitive to me, everything I do to her she shows it to me. Her mileage at current is not high but the togetherness felt long. She opens up the opportunity for me to have new friendship, new environment and new experience which is somehow different from other cars.

She also tends to make a few petrol heads turns at my factory area here every time she passes by, especially the guys sitting at the mamak. Perhaps is the sound she made, subtle yet enticing which gets people curious and guessing what's she's running under her skirt. Yes, I don't get phone number sticky note on her from hot chicks, she don't make people drop their jaw but she blends in nicely with her surrounding and not making herself that attention grabbing diva queen.....not too much, not too less and when she showed her talents she'll definitely get noticed.

My FLX, she's my girl next door......my white queen....
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post Jan 22 2014, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(r3apers @ Jan 22 2014, 01:05 PM)
yap, it increase rather decrease... let say on hill slope in D and 80cc/min thn drop gear to 3rd it will increase to 90-100cc/min.. even on straight road road u drop gear also increase the cc/min..
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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ Jan 22 2014, 01:08 PM)
hmm.gif Like that the fuel rate is variable at different gear setting? Need to dig out Torque again.
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Yes, fuel rate cc/min will vary on the fly depending on your engine RPM. The more throttle or higher RPM the more fuel is supplied. There's also the fuel flow/hour. this usually you find on those aftermarket fuel pump where they say 250l/hr. It means in 1 hour time, this pump can flow a maximum of 250L so for those high performance cars, when you bump up the HP. you need to upgrade your fuel pump to suit your engine because you do not want to have inadequate fuel supply when you go high rev or when you boost in as running lean at high RPM will make the engine very hot and can blow your engine.

Usually cars from manufacturers are set to run a bit more rich this helps the engine runs cooler and have a bigger safety net but a rich engine will produce less power. Hence you want more power you need to run a bit lean so that the combustion camber will be hot and AF mixture will be easy to burn off completely when ignited.

Upgrade of fuel pump is usually followed by bigger injectors and fuel rail so that the fuel pump can help to achieve the needed higher pressure for the bigger injectors and fuel rail capacity.

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ Jan 22 2014, 01:58 PM)
Today don't know why feel very emo with the gaga...This morning woke up before go to work I stop to look at the gaga that sits quietly among the other cars. 1st glance among all she's the most petite in the family and the most discreet looking one but I somehow feel happy and proud to have it joining the family. Although she's only turning 2 years old this coming April (same month as my daughter was born) I felt like I have her with me for a very long time. Most people who are very shallow/brand minded will look down on her but for me not. Is just that no one bother or care to look what's underneath the skin or in this case the brand or badge. That's why I always like the phrase "Don't judge a book by it's cover" or "ada udang di sebalik batu"

In honesty, she's the 4th car which I can say who have most of my touches, the others are less in compare. That's why I feel very attached to it just like the 3 cars. She let me see a lot of things that was not seen previously and I learned a lot from her. Every time, I get into the driver seat I feel very exited with our next driving adventure. Every tarmac she rolled over, every growl from her, every vibration, every movement she made it felt very sensitive to me, everything I do to her she shows it to me. Her mileage at current is not high but the togetherness felt long. She opens up the opportunity for me to have new friendship, new environment and new experience which is somehow different from other cars.

She also tends to make a few petrol heads turns at my factory area here every time she passes by, especially the guys sitting at the mamak. Perhaps is the sound she made, subtle yet enticing which gets people curious and guessing what's she's running under her skirt. Yes, I don't get phone number sticky note on her from hot chicks, she don't make people drop their jaw but she blends in nicely with her surrounding and not making herself that attention grabbing diva queen.....not too much, not too less and when she showed her talents she'll definitely get noticed.

My FLX, she's my girl next door......my white queen....
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sifu 2day why so lovely.. wub.gif wub.gif

QUOTE(TitanRev @ Jan 22 2014, 02:04 PM)
Yes, fuel rate cc/min will vary on the fly depending on your engine RPM. The more throttle or higher RPM the more fuel is supplied. There's also the fuel flow/hour. this usually you find on those aftermarket fuel pump where they say 250l/hr. It means in 1 hour time, this pump can flow a maximum of 250L so for those high performance cars, when you bump up the HP. you need to upgrade your fuel pump to suit your engine because you do not want to have inadequate fuel supply when you go high rev or when you boost in as running lean at high RPM will make the engine very hot and can blow your engine.

Usually cars from manufacturers are set to run a bit more rich this helps the engine runs cooler and have a bigger safety net but a rich engine will produce less power. Hence you want more power you need to run a bit lean so that the combustion camber will be hot and AF mixture will be easy to burn off completely when ignited.

Upgrade of fuel pump is usually followed by bigger injectors and fuel rail so that the fuel pump can help to achieve the needed higher pressure for the bigger injectors and fuel rail capacity.
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post Jan 22 2014, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(sw.boutique @ Jan 22 2014, 01:17 PM)
Sorry... I tried to check my mum Saga FLX gear fluid... I could not locate the dipstick... Where is it??
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Your's is MT, CVT, or 4AT?
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QUOTE(r3apers @ Jan 22 2014, 01:15 PM)
Should be, as maybe different ecu different setting hard to say. But i had notice few times about it. Thts why on hill i juz stick on 3rd gear only.
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can i drive biba using same theory ar?

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