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post Jan 9 2014, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(sootienann @ Jan 9 2014, 11:15 PM)
what monetary value can be gained from scamming the restaurant ?
you dont get any richer. only can get a full stomach. unless u wanaa tapau the food then sell in it lelong ?
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wow. you don't see the big picture here. What if you be the one to provide this kind of service to other people?
service==money
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post Jan 9 2014, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(boyot @ Jan 9 2014, 07:54 PM)
there is VIP touch and go card with unlimited balance
which is only given to VVIP
my uncle has one
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i wonder how this is implemented.
maybe using a binary flag, where 0=unlimited VIP, and normal card=1 ?
or maybe setting a variable to max value of 32 bit (roughly 2 billion).
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post Jan 9 2014, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(Dweller @ Jan 9 2014, 11:17 PM)
wow. you don't see the big picture here. What if you be the one to provide this kind of service to other people?
service==money
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if not mistaken, you need to provide IC to buy the card right ?
if so, then once the sync-reconcile fails, then the polis will come after whoever owns the card.

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post Jan 9 2014, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(kons @ Jan 2 2014, 04:35 PM)
It is likely touchngo credit is not stored in your card.
Only the card serial/pin is stored in the card.
In this case, they just need to build a card reader in lrt booth/toll booth.

If the credit is stored in the card, then they need to build a card reader/writer in lrt booth/toll booth, why spend more while they can save?

If you tamper with the card, they can just make your card tidak sah in your next transaction, then you need to go to touch n go center and submit your card for investigation, then they will know what you did and you will not get a refund.

no matter how, it is a lose lose situation.
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Actually Touch N Go does store the data on the card. You may tamper with the amount and use it few times until its detected and blocked.

I actually bought few cards (from LYN here) and eventually its blocked and asked for refund.
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post Jan 9 2014, 11:26 PM

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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Jan 9 2014, 11:24 PM)
Actually Touch N Go does store the data on the card. You may tamper with the amount and use it few times until its detected and blocked.

I actually bought few cards (from LYN here) and eventually its blocked and asked for refund.
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so how you tamper the amount?
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post Jan 9 2014, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(Dweller @ Jan 9 2014, 11:26 PM)
so how you tamper the amount?
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the more important question is, what can we buy using touch n go ?
for example, is there any mall or retail outlet which accepts the card as payment for purchases ?
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post Jan 9 2014, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(sootienann @ Jan 9 2014, 11:28 PM)
the more important question is, what can we buy using touch n go ?
for example, is there any mall or retail outlet which accepts the card as payment for purchases ?
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kk mart
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post Jan 9 2014, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(sootienann @ Jan 9 2014, 07:52 PM)
you are partially correct in the sense that whenever you use your card, it is instant with no wait time.

however you are also wrong because , as some ppl already commented, the transactions/balance will be synched with the server(1).
fyi, it is possible to top up using ATM machine but you have to physically place the card on the ATM to update the balance in the card(2).

why they dont allow internet reload ? reason is because it is physically impossible for users to update the balance in the card(3)

summary: balance is stored in both card and server.
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1. Read the second paragraph. Which is my assumption, and gave the same meaning of 'sync'. When you do transaction, I doubt TnG terminals will directly connected to the server->check balance->then do transaction if balance is valid. Thus it's offline and transaction is allowed based on the balance stored in the card. End of the day, when clearance is done, the balance of the card might be calculated. Each transaction values will be deducted from the most recent top up value, a.k.a synchronizing. Thus, if final balance is negative, the card have invalid balance, meaning the data might have been altered by the user. I developed an e-payment system that uses smart card before. So I know how slow it would be if the transaction is online.
2. This one I know. I use this all the time when I top up my MyKad.
3. This one also I know. I did mention about APDU right? APDU is the way terminals/card reader communicate with the chip on the smart card.
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post Jan 10 2014, 08:28 AM

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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Jan 9 2014, 11:24 PM)
Actually Touch N Go does store the data on the card. You may tamper with the amount and use it few times until its detected and blocked.

I actually bought few cards (from LYN here) and eventually its blocked and asked for refund.
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May be.

I bought an RM 300 credit card for RM 100 before long time ago, used it only 2 times before it was blocked for further transaction.
Went to TnG centre and check, they said the card is faulty, they can issue a refund if I can find out the owner. (not sure if they will really issue a refund or report police instead)
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QUOTE(Dweller @ Jan 9 2014, 11:26 PM)
so how you tamper the amount?
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QUOTE(Lord Tiki Mick @ Jan 9 2014, 11:31 PM)
1. Read the second paragraph. Which is my assumption, and gave the same meaning of 'sync'. When you do transaction, I doubt TnG terminals will directly connected to the server->check balance->then do transaction if balance is valid. Thus it's offline and transaction is allowed based on the balance stored in the card. End of the day, when clearance is done, the balance of the card might be calculated. Each transaction values will be deducted from the most recent top up value, a.k.a synchronizing. Thus, if final balance is negative, the card have invalid balance, meaning the data might have been altered by the user. I developed an e-payment system that uses smart card before. So I know how slow it would be if the transaction is online.
2. This one I know. I use this all the time when I top up my MyKad.
3. This one also I know. I did mention about APDU right? APDU is the way terminals/card reader communicate with the chip on the smart card.
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Correct. Its actually offline for reload, and also when using the card.
At the end of the day then only it will all be sync back to TnG and that is when they detect the tampered amount.

QUOTE(kons @ Jan 10 2014, 08:28 AM)
May be.

I bought an RM 300 credit card for RM 100 before long time ago, used it only 2 times before it was blocked for further transaction.
Went to TnG centre and check, they said the card is faulty, they can issue a refund if I can find out the owner. (not sure if they will really issue a refund or report police instead)
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Yeap.
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post Jan 10 2014, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(DarkHorse66 @ Jan 2 2014, 04:45 PM)
The security is very high between the card and server . good luck
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I doubt it. High security means low performance.
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post Jan 10 2014, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(don^don @ Jan 2 2014, 04:40 PM)
update tngbalance
set balance ='>999999999999'
where id ='atrocitines /k/'

kan senang tongue.gif
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The maximum limit set at RM 500.. brows.gif
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post Jan 10 2014, 10:21 AM

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u penah dengar tak laki bini kena tangkap sebab buat illegal tng topup
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post Jan 10 2014, 10:22 AM

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go hack their server.
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post Jan 10 2014, 10:24 AM

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there was once i reloaded my tng card in one of the bank atm, somehow the bank didnt deduct my money after i reload the card. true story! tongue.gif
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post Jan 10 2014, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(li_hat @ Jan 2 2014, 04:41 PM)
when u use the tng card, the reader will read the card and its remaining value, minus the charges and write back the new value

this info will be stored in the local database for eg: toll booth and will be uploaded by batch to tng main server

then the system will tally back the record with their current record and publish in the website for your transaction usage. thats why your current usgae of tng will no appear in the record after a few days

my opinion only
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Correct.
However both batch and real time transactions are performed, depending on the terminal's location.

Audited TnG before.
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post May 3 2016, 12:19 PM

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perhaps system has been upgraded by now to dealt the the loopholes, btw whats the max touch and go value can be stored? and how much is the max daily transaction?
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post May 3 2016, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(atrocitines @ Jan 2 2014, 04:30 PM)
i must be dreaming but is there any way to tweak my touch and go so that i can get over rm>9999999 credit? toll expensive lar...
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Ok ur intelligent had surpass all criminal which never think anout tis b4

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