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Duke Red
post Jan 7 2014, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(hfi @ Jan 7 2014, 01:22 PM)
The underwhelming comments and archaic tactics sound all too familiar. You could replace all those names above with Hogdson, Liverpool and Fulham, and you would be describing the dark age of Liverpool under Roy Hogdson. People tend to use BR as a lifeline for Moyes but forget that BR came to a team that has finished outside the top 5 in three successive seasons and was already on it's 4th manager in just three years. Moyes went to a team of Champions and made them vulnerable. Few teams were able to secure away wins at OT - breaking a few decades long records. Normally i'd say give him time but seeing Martinez able to improve Everton's style of football in his very first season, might suggests that time is not the issue at all.
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Well if the geezers at Old Trafford expected Moyes to carry on with Fergie's work, they hired the wrong man. It doesn't take someone with a Phd to note that they are much less ruthless than they were less than a year ago, and with the some personnel no less. Players not performing means they either miss Fergie's hair dryer treatment or they're being given a different set of instructions.

I want them to give Moyes time even if it's the wrong thing to do. Moyes has spent years trying to get Everton to finish about the mancs and now he's finally succeeding.


Speaking of continuity and clubs in decline, clubs have been known to reinvent themselves with the appointment of a new manager even if they aren't in the shithouse. Kenny left Souness a decent squad but instead of picking up where Kenny left off, Souey sold key players before their time and replaced them with crap. Former Chelsea bosses (too many to name) have also reinvented the team constantly though they finish consistently in the top four, picking up a trophy every now and then. What about Real Madrid? Ancelotti and Mourinho have contrasting styles and it isn't as though the latter left the Italian a struggling side (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1876809-comparing-carlo-ancelottis-real-madrid-to-jose-mourinhos). Apparently nuclear physics is overrated.

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jan 7 2014, 02:27 PM)
I thought because Messi says he is a good coach?  laugh.gif
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gerrard also say hodgson good wat.. relegation battle..

cant help but to smile to see moyes and yanazai grabbing the headline.. but do give credit to moyes for taking up the job.. and there are not many who are capable to replace fergie

at the same time my thoughts on BR, he is a promising manager and give young players a lot of chances..

other than that I would say plenty to improve tactically and don't think he is good enuff to win the epl yet. not being able to chance the game when things not going their way..
good chance for top 4 though.
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The appointment of BR to succeed KK earlier was met with mixed reaction, on one hand we got an untested manager, and some may say not high profile or not big club manager. The appointment of BR is also a statement by FSG, that they wanted to rebuild the team, and time is something they can afford to give BR, it is no secret. As such, Henry and Werner will evaluate the team progress on yearly basis and will budget for spending according to team's requirement and level of progress made each season.

The situation with manure is a bit peculiar...where they offered DM a 6 year contract - which denote continuity, which means they expect DM to be given the time to rebuild or restructure the team..but given their stature in the BPL, I don't think he can afford too much time...nor do I think he will get too much transfer budget to work with as fergie found out, and why the sudden departure...another reason why DM was selected, is probably becos he is one of the longest serving manager in the bpl - bar Wenger...In terms of BPL experience, he is the best man, altho not necessarily best manager. The other manager is Pardew with 4 years experience @ Newcastle...of course they have the option of getting a foreign manager such as Hiddink, or Ancelloti, or at one time Mouninho...but I don't think manure can lure the latter 2's, and Hiddink is never a long term manager...as such the combination of lack of candidates available & lack experience in bpl contribute to the appointment of DM...who in fairness is a solid manager..lest not forget that DM with shoestring budget is able to mould everton to challenge for top 4, in itself is an achievement...if anything, I personally think that some manure players lack motivation, either been there for too long or take things easy, either way, they have a better successor than us with souness...
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QUOTE(markblurberry @ Jan 7 2014, 03:17 PM)
The appointment of BR to succeed KK earlier was met with mixed reaction, on one hand we got an untested manager, and some may say not high profile or not big club manager. The appointment of BR is also a statement by FSG, that they wanted to rebuild the team, and time is something they can afford to give BR, it is no secret. As such, Henry and Werner will evaluate the team progress on yearly basis and will budget for spending according to team's requirement and level of progress made each season.

The situation with manure is a bit peculiar...where they offered DM a 6 year contract - which denote continuity, which means they expect DM to be given the time to rebuild or restructure the team..but given their stature in the BPL, I don't think he can afford too much time...nor do I think he will get too much transfer budget to work with as fergie found out, and why the sudden departure...another reason why DM was selected, is probably becos he is one of the longest serving manager in the bpl - bar Wenger...In terms of BPL experience, he is the best man, altho not necessarily best manager. The other manager is Pardew with 4 years experience @ Newcastle...of course they have the option of getting a foreign manager such as Hiddink, or Ancelloti, or at one time Mouninho...but I don't think manure can lure the latter 2's, and Hiddink is never a long term manager...as such the combination of lack of candidates available & lack experience in bpl contribute to the appointment of DM...who in fairness is a solid manager..lest not forget that DM with shoestring budget is able to mould everton to challenge for top 4, in itself is an achievement...if anything, I personally think that some manure players lack motivation, either been there for too long or take things easy, either way, they have a better successor than us with souness...
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On the bolded bit, I didn't realise it was a long term contract. Fergie has long earmarked Moyes as his successor and has without a doubt had some influence over this. Moyes has done really well with Everton but Martinez is doing a good job at helping the Goodison Park faithful forget him. Before parting with the club Fergie had this to say to the fans...

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Sir Alex Ferguson’s plea to the United fans in his farewell speech at Old Trafford was an explicit acknowledgement of this. As reported by The Daily Mail, Ferguson said: "Your job now is to stand by the new manager."


This suggests to me that a slump of sorts was to be expected. Couple this with the fact Moyes has been offered a 6-year contract might suggest that the owners are prepared to give him some time. Also sacking him this early will be expensive for the club.

Continuity of success I believe was to be expected but my logic tells me that they won't be playing exactly the same type of football. Managers will have similar styles and yet, there are certain traits that make them individuals. Moyes is no different and he has been trying to impose himself upon the club. Never saw him as the copy & paste type. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1794935...ms-anytime-soon

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Transfer news...
1st - Liverpool is healding talks with "GestiFute" agent company representing such as Ronaldo/Falcao/Ángel di María
No concrete new yet but this few player under them potentially we might b referring to...
- Diego Costa (CF)
- Joan Moutinho (CM)
- Miguel Veloso CM)
- Dos Santos (AM)
- Nélson Oliveira (CF)
2nd - Red Carpet is ready for "Target" Family. Possiblity..
- Will Hughes
- Dele Alli
Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers was amongst those in attendance at the FA Cup clash between holders Wigan and MK Dons to run the rule over 17-year-old midfielder Dele Alli.

'I know Brendan quite well and we speak about different players all the time. I don't know the reason why he was at the game but Dele is special,' said Dons manager Karl Robinson .

'You will have seen him do some silly things because he is 17 years of age but he produced some bits of magic and you don't see many of them playing in an FA Cup third-round tie against a very good Wigan side and not look out of place.'

Salah Deal
- Liverpool valuation doesnt meet Basle Valuation. We offer something like 7/8mil but they r looking 12-13m at least
- Basle is no rush to sale coz alot of interested party.
- Either we stump up with 10/11mil with add on else missing out again.

Alonso & Machearano
- We have inquiry about their availability.
- RM not willing to released Alonso while Barca only release Marcherano only they find a CB.

Cristian Tello
- Only we stump up massive cash for him in January then barca would sell at the moment
- Both player & club look set to consider in summer window

Hopes the transfer news info helps...

Cheers Every1.

Chris Lam

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QUOTE(Chris Lam @ Jan 7 2014, 05:51 PM)
Transfer news...
1st - Liverpool is healding talks with "GestiFute" agent company representing such as Ronaldo/Falcao/Ángel di María
No concrete new yet but this few player under them potentially we might b referring to...
- Diego Costa (CF)
- Joan Moutinho (CM)
- Miguel Veloso CM)
- Dos Santos (AM)
- Nélson Oliveira (CF)
2nd - Red Carpet is ready for "Target" Family. Possiblity..
- Will Hughes
- Dele Alli
Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers was amongst those in attendance at the FA Cup clash between holders Wigan and MK Dons to run the rule over 17-year-old midfielder Dele Alli.

'I know Brendan quite well and we speak about different players all the time. I don't know the reason why he was at the game but Dele is special,' said Dons manager Karl Robinson .

'You will have seen him do some silly things because he is 17 years of age but he produced some bits of magic and you don't see many of them playing in an FA Cup third-round tie against a very good Wigan side and not look out of place.'

Salah Deal
- Liverpool valuation doesnt meet Basle Valuation. We offer something like 7/8mil but they r looking 12-13m at least
- Basle is no rush to sale coz alot of interested party.
- Either we stump up with 10/11mil with add on else missing out again.

Alonso & Machearano
- We have inquiry about their availability.
- RM not willing to released Alonso while Barca only release Marcherano only they find a CB.

Cristian Tello
- Only we stump up massive cash for him in January then barca would sell at the moment
- Both player & club look set to consider in summer window

Hopes the transfer news info helps...

Cheers Every1.

Chris Lam
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Where did you get all this info dude? Source?
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If you are rajin you can browse through several news portals with links like this -http://mobile.newsnow.co.uk/h/Sport/Football/Premier+League/Liverpool

On Mascherano, why would he consider coming back if he left because his wife could not acclimatise?



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Some may say that the boss is sounding a little cocky but winners all have a little arrogance about them. Arsene Wenger for example once claimed that his bunch of "invincibles" would go unbeaten and the very next season, they did.

We've been talking about making Anfield a fortress again for a long time now. It goes without saying that being invincible on home soil is crucial. Roy Hodgson's Fulham managed only 2 away wins but because of their solid home form, they qualified for qualified for Europe and made it all the way to the Europa League final in 2010.

This season we're 3rd behind only City and Chelsea in terms of home form and Brendan Rodgers has made us hard to beat in our own backyard. Sure, the top teams are yet to visit but I'd much rather face them all at home than away. We always opt to attack the Kop end in the second half of games and now that we're in the second half of the season, let's continue to plug away at Anfield.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...contenders.html
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QUOTE(Chris Lam @ Jan 7 2014, 05:51 PM)
Transfer news...
Salah Deal
- Liverpool valuation doesnt meet Basle Valuation. We offer something like 7/8mil but they r looking 12-13m at least
- Basle is no rush to sale coz alot of interested party.
- Either we stump up with 10/11mil with add on else missing out again.

Cristian Tello
- Only we stump up massive cash for him in January then barca would sell at the moment
- Both player & club look set to consider in summer window

Hopes the transfer news info helps...

Cheers Every1.

Chris Lam
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Thank Chris. I guess same old story all over again. We value at certain price, they asked for higher price. We end up missing on them. They eventually go to Spurs or warming bench at Chelsea.
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BR should play luis alberto more often. He could help to create more chance to score.
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Normally, I would prefer 1 signing during the Jan window, especially when availability and choice is limited to a certain extent. But the catch is its World Cup year..as such either you sign the player before they go for national duty or its going to be inflated after WC, that is if they shine...clubs will also hold back hoping to sell at higher valuation after WC, especially Latin clubs that are dependent on selling to balance the book...the good thing is Salah's country- Eqypt did not qualify for WC, but his stock rises recently with lotsa attentions and I just feel that Liverpool would walk away from this deal, as we prefer to go about our business quietly...having said this, I would welcome Salah with an open arm, what not with a player openly declare his intention to join us...but only at the right price


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The January transfer market is notorious for it's inflated prices. Selling clubs are either fighting for survival or for trophies at this stage and it will take a lot for them to be willing to part with their best players. Unlike the summer transfer windows, selling clubs don't have the time to make the necessary changes to compensate for missing a key player, or players. Still, we picked up a couple of good buys the last.time round didn't we? Thing is neither were starters and thought to be key players. Salah is and we'll be paying a premium for him. Basel are battling on all fronts including the Euro League after finishing third in their Champions League group.

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 7 2014, 08:27 PM)
The January transfer market is notorious for it's inflated prices. Selling clubs are either fighting for survival or for trophies at this stage and it will take a lot for them to be willing to part with their best players. Unlike the summer transfer windows, selling clubs don't have the time to make the necessary changes to compensate for missing a key player, or players. Still, we picked up a couple of good buys didn't we? Thing is neither were starters and thought to be key players. Salah is and we'll be paying a premium for him. Basel are battling on all fronts including the Euro League after finishing third in their Champions League group.
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there been good record for Jan transfer.. ie Sturridge , coutinho , suarez..

hope there will be a significant signing.. again..
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just finish watch 11 minutes highlight vs Oldham. i think asps showed good display. even the 2nd goal started from him. his header hit the goal post. and also the counter attack , i think gerard better let him shoot during that time because he was in better position.

hope this match give confidence to him.
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Aspas was impressive during pre-season but a question mark remains over his pedigree when it comes to top level football. He was on blistering form for Celta, helping them to promotion but only made his top flight debut less than 2 years ago before we signed him.

So far he's only played well against sides in lower divisions and at 26 it is conceivable to believe that he already at the peak of his prowess. Still, I hope the lad comes good.
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We're playing Stoke next which reminds me of a bit of business we can do in January. Bring Assaidi back and cut short. Moses' loan. I reckon the former is having a better time on loan than the Nigerian.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 7 2014, 10:54 PM)
We're playing Stoke next which reminds me of a bit of business we can do in January. Bring Assaidi back and cut short. Moses' loan. I reckon the former is having a better time on loan than the Nigerian.
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Ass-Aidi must be willing to work his as$ off at the back as well. You know BR. Indiscipline fella will be on the bench.
And yes, send Moses back to the Blue Ocean. No more coming back to the Red Sea. I suspect Maureen sent him here to piss us off. tongue.gif

Whatever happen to Mr. Wrong Momo Salah? Quiet already. sad.gif
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Here's an interesting valuation of players. Guess the f**k what!
Moses is worth 15mil and Dannyboy is only worth $18mil shocking.gif laugh.gif

http://www.transfermarkt.com/en/fc-liverpo.../verein_31.html
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Frenz United against Liverpool. Good display by our local boys

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QUOTE(Max_07s @ Jan 7 2014, 10:19 PM)
just finish watch 11 minutes highlight vs Oldham. i think asps showed good display. even the 2nd goal started from him. his header hit the goal post. and also the counter attack , i think gerard better let him shoot during that time because he was in better position.

hope this match give confidence to him.
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watch the full 90mins highlights and i promise you wont be so keen to say he showed a good display. smile.gif

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